What Does "Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged" Mean in the Bible? (Page 3): Lol, whatever; you twist everything I say. A lie is a knowing falsehood, not a misguided belief. I do not lie...

rumitoid

TexaCan wrote:

You said that there are Christians that will defen... (show quote)

Lol, whatever; you twist everything I say. A lie is a knowing falsehood, not a misguided belief. I do not lie here--ever! And as to whom is the greater knower and believer of truth, that is a ridiculous argument; you need to be God to know that as fact. For you and Rose, I am out of the pettiness. You both have the seal of approval by me from here on out: The Whatever Imprimatur!

Quakerwidow Loc: Chestertown, MD

Irisheileen wrote:

I am new here and to Christianity. What are their fruits?

Peace, love, and mercy are three.

Quakerwidow Loc: Chestertown, MD

rumitoid wrote:

Welcome, have fun here. Galatians 5:22 says, "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control . . . " (NKJV)

Yes.

Rose42

rumitoid wrote:

Lol, whatever; you twist everything I say. A lie is a knowing falsehood, not a misguided belief. I do not lie here--ever! And as to whom is the greater knower and believer of truth, that is a ridiculous argument; you need to be God to know that as fact. For you and Rose, I am out of the pettiness. You both have the seal of approval by me from here on out: The Whatever Imprimatur!

She doesn’t twist what you say. You’re a liar when it suits you and your hate filled rants against those who disagree with you are numerous.

Only one can heal the bitterness in your heart. Christ. Call on him. Repent and be saved.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

rumitoid wrote:

Lol, whatever; you twist everything I say. A lie is a knowing falsehood, not a misguided belief. I do not lie here--ever! And as to whom is the greater knower and believer of truth, that is a ridiculous argument; you need to be God to know that as fact. For you and Rose, I am out of the pettiness. You both have the seal of approval by me from here on out: The Whatever Imprimatur!

So, all of your lies are just “misguided beliefs”........ that’s the best excuse I’ve ever heard!

Will Irisheileen return, RUMI?

rumitoid

Rose42 wrote:

She doesn’t twist what you say. You’re a liar when it suits you and your hate filled rants against those who disagree with you are numerous.

Only one can heal the bitterness in your heart. Christ. Call on him. Repent and be saved.

I granted the Whatever Imprimatur; glad you feel free to use it. I will no longer defend myself against your pettiness. Here, you are the true knower of truth. Congratulations. As far as me, believe what you want to believe. But I have a question: did I personally harm you in some way?

rumitoid

TexaCan wrote:

So, all of your lies are just “misguided beliefs”........ that’s the best excuse I’ve ever heard!

Will Irisheileen return, RUMI?

As I said previously, I have never lied here, but think and say what you want about, as you always have. The Whatever Imprimatur I gave you lets you say anything insulting you want without any defense by me. Rock on! One last thing, the same question I had to Rose: have I harmed you in some way, for it appears so?

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

rumitoid wrote:

As I said previously, I have never lied here, but think and say what you want about, as you always have. The Whatever Imprimatur I gave you lets you say anything insulting you want without any defense by me. Rock on! One last thing, the same question I had to Rose: have I harmed you in some way, for it appears so?

In a nutshell...you are a false teacher.

Rose42

Parky60 wrote:

In a nutshell...you are a false teacher.

He’s also being convicted by the Spirit and is fighting it

Quakerwidow Loc: Chestertown, MD

Rose42 wrote:

He’s also being convicted by the Spirit and is fighting it

with whatever judgment you judge, you shall be judged

Rose42

Quakerwidow wrote:

with whatever judgment you judge, you shall be judged

I know what the verse means. Do you? That verse is one of the most misused verses in the bible.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

Quakerwidow wrote:

with whatever judgment you judge, you shall be judged

First, Quakerwidow, you need to read the passage in context…and read the whole post so you'll understand.

Matthew 7:1-2 (NASB)
1 "Do not judge so that you will not be judged.
2 "For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.

In verse 1, the Greek words translated “judge” and “judged” is “krino,” which means "to judge to the place of condemnation." It's when you're in someone's face, so to speak, pointing your finger at them, and condemning them.

In Romans 16:17, Paul instructs the early church to “keep [their eyes] on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which [they] learned, and turn away from them.” And in Galatians 1:8, he writes, “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!” So, there is a need to judge, but not to the place of condemnation. Rather, we are to judge for identification and for restoration. We are to love people enough that when we see them erring, we are to say to them lovingly, "Because I care about you, I want you to know that you're going in the wrong direction."

You shall not hate your fellow countryman in your heart; you may surely reprove your neighbor, but shall not incur sin because of him. Leviticus 19:17

Don't hate your brother, but love him by not allowing him to continue in his sin.

Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted. Galatians 6:1

According to Scripture, we must make some judgments and identification. But we are not to have an attitude of condemnation. How do we know if we're condemning people? If we're am not willing to partake in restoration, then we are probably practicing condemnation. When Jesus walked into the Upper Room where His disciples were sitting, He noticed they had dirty feet. Did He point His finger and say, "You guys, why don't you wash your stinky feet? It's a mess up here." No. John 13 says He rose from supper, girded Himself with a towel, and began to wash their feet Himself. Likewise, we do not have the right to point out someone's dirty feet unless we're willing to kneel down and wash them.

Verse 2 says that the manner in which we judge is the way we will be judged. Is it the manner in which we will be judged by God? No. All our sins have been dealt with on the Cross of Calvary. Then who is going to judge me? People will. If we are critical of others, pointing out dirt on their feet with no intention of restoring, healing, or helping, we are going to find that same kind of judgment hurled at us.

In the first chapter of the Book of Judges, the men of Judah said to the men of Simeon, "There's a camp of Canaanites over in this valley. Let's go take them on." After beating the Canaanites soundly, the Israelites captured Adoni-bezek, the Canaanite king, and chopped off his thumbs and big toes. Why? Adoni-bezek himself gave the answer when he said, “Seventy kings with their thumbs and their big toes cut off used to gather up scraps under my table; as I have done, so God has repaid me” (Judges 1:7).

If you chop up someone, or cut down someone, watch out. Jesus said the way you judge is the way you'll be judged.

Rose42

One of the hardest things about being a Christian is knowing there are those who will reject Christ. Several acquaintances of mine have passed away recently and as far as I know a couple of them never knew Christ. I want to be wrong about that. I have people close to me who don't believe and it is sometimes very hard.

We can't give up on anyone. It is never too late until the last breath is drawn. I hold out hope for all.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

rumitoid wrote:

As I said previously, I have never lied here, but think and say what you want about, as you always have. The Whatever Imprimatur I gave you lets you say anything insulting you want without any defense by me. Rock on! One last thing, the same question I had to Rose: have I harmed you in some way, for it appears so?

What, if not a lie, do you call pretending to be someone else........having conversations with many, even those that were your friends? You don’t think that knowing you fooled them (your friends) was hurtful to them? Rose and I have not insulted you, we have not called you names, we have confronted the words that you yourself choose to use.

No! You have not harmed me, you harm yourself when you lie ! The biggest lie you have ever told is that you have never lied.

I agree with Rose, otherwise our confronting you would be no different than all the others, who get just as passionate as you do.......down and dirty!

Quakerwidow Loc: Chestertown, MD

Parky60 wrote:

First, Quakerwidow, you need to read the passage in context…and read the whole post so you'll understand.

Matthew 7:1-2 (NASB)
1 "Do not judge so that you will not be judged.
2 "For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.

In verse 1, the Greek words translated “judge” and “judged” is “krino,” which means "to judge to the place of condemnation." It's when you're in someone's face, so to speak, pointing your finger at them, and condemning them.

In Romans 16:17, Paul instructs the early church to “keep [their eyes] on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which [they] learned, and turn away from them.” And in Galatians 1:8, he writes, “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!” So, there is a need to judge, but not to the place of condemnation. Rather, we are to judge for identification and for restoration. We are to love people enough that when we see them erring, we are to say to them lovingly, "Because I care about you, I want you to know that you're going in the wrong direction."

You shall not hate your fellow countryman in your heart; you may surely reprove your neighbor, but shall not incur sin because of him. Leviticus 19:17

Don't hate your brother, but love him by not allowing him to continue in his sin.

Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted. Galatians 6:1

According to Scripture, we must make some judgments and identification. But we are not to have an attitude of condemnation. How do we know if we're condemning people? If we're am not willing to partake in restoration, then we are probably practicing condemnation. When Jesus walked into the Upper Room where His disciples were sitting, He noticed they had dirty feet. Did He point His finger and say, "You guys, why don't you wash your stinky feet? It's a mess up here." No. John 13 says He rose from supper, girded Himself with a towel, and began to wash their feet Himself. Likewise, we do not have the right to point out someone's dirty feet unless we're willing to kneel down and wash them.

Verse 2 says that the manner in which we judge is the way we will be judged. Is it the manner in which we will be judged by God? No. All our sins have been dealt with on the Cross of Calvary. Then who is going to judge me? People will. If we are critical of others, pointing out dirt on their feet with no intention of restoring, healing, or helping, we are going to find that same kind of judgment hurled at us.

In the first chapter of the Book of Judges, the men of Judah said to the men of Simeon, "There's a camp of Canaanites over in this valley. Let's go take them on." After beating the Canaanites soundly, the Israelites captured Adoni-bezek, the Canaanite king, and chopped off his thumbs and big toes. Why? Adoni-bezek himself gave the answer when he said, “Seventy kings with their thumbs and their big toes cut off used to gather up scraps under my table; as I have done, so God has repaid me” (Judges 1:7).

If you chop up someone, or cut down someone, watch out. Jesus said the way you judge is the way you'll be judged.

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