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Jan 18, 2020 17:31:28   #
Irisheileen Loc: CA
 
TexaCan wrote:
https://carm.org/you-will-know-them-by-their-fruit

You’re right! We can’t see into a person’s heart, so we are taught to judge them by their fruits.


I am new here and to Christianity. What are their fruits?

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Jan 18, 2020 18:43:15   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
rumitoid wrote:
Exactly. And no ammo there, lol.


https://billygraham.org/decision-magazine/september-2011/things-god-hates/

I’m afraid some of your fruit is tainted!

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Jan 18, 2020 18:57:10   #
rumitoid
 
Rose42 wrote:
I don’t care if you challenge me nor would that bother me.

If you have such a superior understanding of scripture then why do you make up your own doctrine and ignore basic truths? Why mock the word which you have done numerous times? You need to ask yourself why.


No, you have to show me the errors of my ways. Can you do that?

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Jan 18, 2020 18:59:30   #
rumitoid
 
Rose42 wrote:
I know of no Christians that believe that.


Then you do not know a lot of Christians.

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Jan 18, 2020 19:00:24   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
Irisheileen wrote:
I am new here and to Christianity. What are their fruits?


https://www.openbible.info/topics/fruit

Hello Irisheileen!

Welcome to OPP! Read this site and it lists the verses in the Bible that explains our fruits!

I hope you continue to visit this section. There are some wonderful threads that are full of information on the Bible that I think you will enjoy.

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Jan 18, 2020 19:02:25   #
rumitoid
 
Rose42 wrote:
No, I go by the words written.

Your nose may be in it as you claim but you write as a natural man not one who is led by the Spirit. You have made numerous false claims
about the bible.


The words written? How many christian sects and major denominational splits are there, each of those tens of thousands of sects claiming they have the truth over all the rest? Like you.

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Jan 18, 2020 19:06:06   #
rumitoid
 
Irisheileen wrote:
I am new here and to Christianity. What are their fruits?


Welcome, have fun here. Galatians 5:22 says, "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control . . . " (NKJV)

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Jan 18, 2020 19:07:46   #
rumitoid
 
TexaCan wrote:
https://www.openbible.info/topics/fruit

Hello Irisheileen!

Welcome to OPP! Read this site and it lists the verses in the Bible that explains our fruits!

I hope you continue to visit this section. There are some wonderful threads that are full of information on the Bible that I think you will enjoy.


TexaCan knows of what she speaks. Again, have fun.

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Jan 18, 2020 19:45:00   #
Fodaoson Loc: South Texas
 
rumitoid wrote:
Good advice, thank you.


I am sorry if it seemed I was judging you. I didn’t mean to be judgmental. I was pointing out that according to your post you answered the question posed in the title.

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Jan 18, 2020 19:54:33   #
rumitoid
 
Fodaoson wrote:
I am sorry if it seemed I was judging you. I didn’t mean to be judgmental. I was pointing out that according to your post you answered the question posed in the title.


Okay, thank you.

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Jan 18, 2020 20:21:32   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
rumitoid wrote:
No, you have to show me the errors of my ways. Can you do that?

The title of your thread is, “What Does ‘Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged’ Mean in the Bible?”

First, rumi, you need to read the passage in context…

Matthew 7:1-2 (NASB)
1 "Do not judge so that you will not be judged.
2 "For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.


In verse 1, the Greek words translated “judge” and “judged” is “krino,” which means "to judge to the place of condemnation." It's when you're in someone's face, so to speak, pointing your finger at them, and condemning them.

In Romans 16:17, Paul instructs the early church to “keep [their eyes] on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which [they] learned, and turn away from them.” And in Galatians 1:8, he writes, “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!” So, there is a need to judge, but not to the place of condemnation. Rather, we are to judge for identification and for restoration. We are to love people enough that when we see them erring, we are to say to them lovingly, "Because I care about you, I want you to know that you're going in the wrong direction."

You shall not hate your fellow countryman in your heart; you may surely reprove your neighbor, but shall not incur sin because of him. Leviticus 19:17

Don't hate your brother, but love him by not allowing him to continue in his sin.

Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted. Galatians 6:1

According to Scripture, we must make some judgments and identification. But we are not to have an attitude of condemnation. How do we know if we're condemning people? If we're am not willing to partake in restoration, then we are probably practicing condemnation. When Jesus walked into the Upper Room where His disciples were sitting, He noticed they had dirty feet. Did He point His finger and say, "You guys, why don't you wash your stinky feet? It's a mess up here." No. John 13 says He rose from supper, girded Himself with a towel, and began to wash their feet Himself. Likewise, we do not have the right to point out someone's dirty feet unless we're willing to kneel down and wash them.

Verse 2 says that the manner in which we judge is the way we will be judged. Is it the manner in which we will be judged by God? No. All our sins have been dealt with on the Cross of Calvary. Then who is going to judge me? People will. If we are critical of others, pointing out dirt on their feet with no intention of restoring, healing, or helping, we are going to find that same kind of judgment hurled at us.

In the first chapter of the Book of Judges, the men of Judah said to the men of Simeon, "There's a camp of Canaanites over in this valley. Let's go take them on." After beating the Canaanites soundly, the Israelites captured Adoni-bezek, the Canaanite king, and chopped off his thumbs and big toes. Why? Adoni-bezek himself gave the answer when he said, “Seventy kings with their thumbs and their big toes cut off used to gather up scraps under my table; as I have done, so God has repaid me” (Judges 1:7).

If you chop up someone, or cut down someone, watch out. Jesus said the way you judge is the way you'll be judged.

Rumi, because we care about you, Rose and I want you to know that you're going in the wrong direction.

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Jan 18, 2020 20:47:37   #
rumitoid
 
Parky60 wrote:
The title of your thread is, “What Does ‘Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged’ Mean in the Bible?”

First, rumi, you need to read the passage in context…

Matthew 7:1-2 (NASB)
1 "Do not judge so that you will not be judged.
2 "For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.


In verse 1, the Greek words translated “judge” and “judged” is “krino,” which means "to judge to the place of condemnation." It's when you're in someone's face, so to speak, pointing your finger at them, and condemning them.

In Romans 16:17, Paul instructs the early church to “keep [their eyes] on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which [they] learned, and turn away from them.” And in Galatians 1:8, he writes, “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!” So, there is a need to judge, but not to the place of condemnation. Rather, we are to judge for identification and for restoration. We are to love people enough that when we see them erring, we are to say to them lovingly, "Because I care about you, I want you to know that you're going in the wrong direction."

You shall not hate your fellow countryman in your heart; you may surely reprove your neighbor, but shall not incur sin because of him. Leviticus 19:17

Don't hate your brother, but love him by not allowing him to continue in his sin.

Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted. Galatians 6:1

According to Scripture, we must make some judgments and identification. But we are not to have an attitude of condemnation. How do we know if we're condemning people? If we're am not willing to partake in restoration, then we are probably practicing condemnation. When Jesus walked into the Upper Room where His disciples were sitting, He noticed they had dirty feet. Did He point His finger and say, "You guys, why don't you wash your stinky feet? It's a mess up here." No. John 13 says He rose from supper, girded Himself with a towel, and began to wash their feet Himself. Likewise, we do not have the right to point out someone's dirty feet unless we're willing to kneel down and wash them.

Verse 2 says that the manner in which we judge is the way we will be judged. Is it the manner in which we will be judged by God? No. All our sins have been dealt with on the Cross of Calvary. Then who is going to judge me? People will. If we are critical of others, pointing out dirt on their feet with no intention of restoring, healing, or helping, we are going to find that same kind of judgment hurled at us.

In the first chapter of the Book of Judges, the men of Judah said to the men of Simeon, "There's a camp of Canaanites over in this valley. Let's go take them on." After beating the Canaanites soundly, the Israelites captured Adoni-bezek, the Canaanite king, and chopped off his thumbs and big toes. Why? Adoni-bezek himself gave the answer when he said, “Seventy kings with their thumbs and their big toes cut off used to gather up scraps under my table; as I have done, so God has repaid me” (Judges 1:7).

If you chop up someone, or cut down someone, watch out. Jesus said the way you judge is the way you'll be judged.

Rumi, because we care about you, Rose and I want you to know that you're going in the wrong direction.
The title of your thread is, “What Does ‘Judge Not... (show quote)


Good information and well researched but I said the same thing in a few words way back. Rose42 judged my heart, condemned me, by saying I did not know Christ. That falls directly under "Judge not..."

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Jan 18, 2020 21:12:23   #
Rose42
 
rumitoid wrote:
Good information and well researched but I said the same thing in a few words way back. Rose42 judged my heart, condemned me, by saying I did not know Christ. That falls directly under "Judge not..."


No you didn’t say the same thing and no I did not condemn you. You still don’t understand it.

You can’t change who Christ is and make up your own doctrine. If you don’t believe the bible is the inerrant word f God - as it tells us - then how can you know Christ? You can’t.

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Jan 18, 2020 21:20:29   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
rumitoid wrote:
Then you do not know a lot of Christians.


You said that there are Christians that will defend to the DEATH that Jesus was born 12-25!

Your choice of words matter! This is what you refuse to understand! Your statement is a lie!
No one is going to DIE defending His birthday! You lied when you insisted that Rose was a Trump supporter because she refused to agree with your hate filled rants and the FACT that she has always said that she did not support or vote for him! And you can’t hold a candle when it comes to Rose’s understanding and knowledge of the word of God!



I also don’t know any Christians that still believe that Jesus was born 12-25.

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Jan 20, 2020 18:20:28   #
rumitoid
 
Fodaoson wrote:
I am sorry if it seemed I was judging you. I didn’t mean to be judgmental. I was pointing out that according to your post you answered the question posed in the title.


Thank you.

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