Eastern Ukraine wants to be part of Russia. Why are we against that??
Dec 5, 2019 18:36:47 #
nwtk2007 wrote:
http://www.npr.org/2017/06/24/534207470/many-in-eastern-ukraine-want-to-join-russia
Exactly...
I find it very hypocritical that some insist the Crimea remains a part of the Uktaine , but that Hongkong and Taiwan and Tibet should break apart from China...
Dec 5, 2019 18:39:53 #
nwtk2007 wrote:
Says who? It's been their home for many years now. Most were born there. Times change and they have the right to adjust their world. A bigger question is why does western Ukraine not want to let them stay a part of Russia if the majority of them want to?
Putin could have retaken the entire country if he chose to but didn't and hasn't.
Putin could have retaken the entire country if he chose to but didn't and hasn't.
Yep
Dec 5, 2019 18:42:21 #
Kevyn wrote:
And we could invade and occupy Canada. What the hell is wrong with people that they support a murderous dictator like Putin attacking and invading one of our peaceful allies. What we ought to do is admit Ukraine to NATO and pack their border with Patriot missile batteries and their airfields with A-10 warthogs.
One of our peaceful allies?
Not an ally...
And why would we intentionally involve ourselves by going to war with Russia?
That's ridiculous...
Dec 5, 2019 18:55:06 #
nwtk2007 wrote:
http://www.npr.org/2017/06/24/534207470/many-in-eastern-ukraine-want-to-join-russia
I didn't know we were against it, but I can think of reasons to be against it. Mostly what will that so to the treaty we have with it? Just a piece of paper excuse? 2. Another enemy country.
Dec 5, 2019 18:59:02 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
dongreen76 wrote:
....for the same reasons most Americans should not... (show quote)
I didn't say we shouldn't care; it's just not our business. But for outside interference, the ME would not be the mess it is today. We also should not have been in Vietnam. Despite the loss of 50,000, nothing changed there as a result of our being there. Wasted lives, dishonored by our very presence there. Korea was different.
Fact is, the break up of the USSR threw the entire region into a good deal of disorder with old boundaries being restored despite who the people there were. Three were many other concerns such as nuclear missile installations, military bases, state run natural recourse, etc. But, Russia has always been the heart of that region and look at the levels of corruption now present in youthful countries like Ukraine; chaotic and in many ways more dangerous.
Also, America was established more as an isolated entity and at the very heart of the US heart was the notion that we don't tell you how to live and you don't tell us how to live. Things are much different now, but nationalism is at our very soul.
Dec 5, 2019 19:03:13 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
I didn't know we were against it, but I can think of reasons to be against it. Mostly what will that so to the treaty we have with it? Just a piece of paper excuse? 2. Another enemy country.
Treaties are not constitutions and are rewritten all the time. I too can think of a few reasons but we have to consider Russia and who Russians are. Russia is a stabilizing influence in the region. And just look at what the EU has done to Europe. The move to "nationalize" all the countries of Europe has been a disaster for countries like England and France, although France is hard pressed to admit it thus far.
Dec 5, 2019 19:05:15 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
One of our peaceful allies?
Not an ally...
And why would we intentionally involve ourselves by going to war with Russia?
That's ridiculous...
Not an ally...
And why would we intentionally involve ourselves by going to war with Russia?
That's ridiculous...
And, war between the US and Russia is exactly what Islamic countries want. It was one of the goals of ISIS, to get the US and Russia to fighting, disrupt the world stage and allow them to grow, almost unnoticed and in fact, they actually are to a very large degree.
Dec 5, 2019 19:20:22 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Exactly...
I find it very hypocritical that some insist the Crimea remains a part of the Uktaine , but that Hongkong and Taiwan and Tibet should break apart from China...
I find it very hypocritical that some insist the Crimea remains a part of the Uktaine , but that Hongkong and Taiwan and Tibet should break apart from China...
Hadn't thought of that. So, in China, is there a deep memory of who the Brits and Europeans attempted to ens***e the Chinese with opium?
Dec 5, 2019 19:21:17 #
Kevyn wrote:
Ukraine was occupied by Russians during soviet times if they wish to move to Russia they may but they have no more right to become part of Russia
than people in Texas have to become part of Mexico.
than people in Texas have to become part of Mexico.
Or The People Of Texas
Have To Become Part Of The United States ??
Dec 5, 2019 19:28:10 #
Kevyn wrote:
Ukraine was occupied by Russians during soviet times if they wish to move to Russia they may but they have no more right to become part of Russia than people in Texas have to become part of Mexico.
The Crimea was part of Russia until the 1950s. The majority of people in Donetsk are also Russian.
Dec 5, 2019 19:58:22 #
nwtk2007 wrote:
Hadn't thought of that. So, in China, is there a deep memory of who the Brits and Europeans attempted to ens***e the Chinese with opium?
Yes... And still a lot of anger....
Hongkong is viewed as having been extorted from the Qing Dynasty (which it was) and the support for Tibetan separatists is equally distasteful...
Taiwanese support is at least recognized for its financial value...
Dec 5, 2019 21:35:01 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Yes... And still a lot of anger....
Hongkong is viewed as having been extorted from the Qing Dynasty (which it was) and the support for Tibetan separatists is equally distasteful...
Taiwanese support is at least recognized for its financial value...
Hongkong is viewed as having been extorted from the Qing Dynasty (which it was) and the support for Tibetan separatists is equally distasteful...
Taiwanese support is at least recognized for its financial value...
I don't know much Chinese history but I'd often wondered about that. Dark behavior from the w****s in the west.
Dec 5, 2019 21:50:22 #
nwtk2007 wrote:
http://www.npr.org/2017/06/24/534207470/many-in-eastern-ukraine-want-to-join-russia
Exactly what Putin wants you to think ... trump too...
Dec 5, 2019 22:28:22 #
nwtk2007 wrote:
I don't know much Chinese history but I'd often wondered about that. Dark behavior from the w****s in the west.
They blame the Qing Dynasty for much of it as well... They were weak...
One of the reasons they embrace the CCP so readily...
Oddly, they don't view it as a racial thing...
Dec 6, 2019 09:41:34 #
nwtk2007 wrote:
The eastern part of the country doesn't want any part of NATO OR the EU. The eastern section has declared independence and Russia is providing support for that. A-10's are obsolete, by the way.
Not against russian tanks and artillery.
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