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Nov 29, 2019 20:18:29   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Con-green76 wrote:
.....I don't know about that trade war stuff- that is to say if Trump is winning the trade war with China,;but I do know for once he is expounding the Ideologies that distinguishes the U.S. from the totaltarian world.


Mist of the world views America as a totalitarian power...


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China is reneging on the deal made a hundred years ago with England.


What deal would that be?

There was a 100 year lease for the land where Hong Kong is that was signed by theQing dynasty and Great Britain... Is this what you are referring to?

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That deal was that when England yielded sovereignty over Hong Kong to China ; the deal was Hong Kong would continue to be ruled by Democratic principles.


No... That deal was that Great Britain would have use of the land for a century...At which point it would revert to Chinese control...

Perhaps your thinking of the more recent deal... Whereas China would allow Hong Kong an additional 50 years of self governance...


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China wants to extradite those individuals to mainland China so that they can be judged by oppressive Jurist Prudence.


No... The Hong Kong legislature proposed a law that would allow the mutual extradition of criminals... The government of Hongkong has the right to propose laws...A per the deal with China... For 30 more years...

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Nov 29, 2019 20:45:59   #
Linzo
 
You are right that appropriations start in the house BUT has to be passed by the Senate. Right now there are over 400 bills (many with bi-partisan support) being held up by one person, which is turtle face McConnell. So your frustration is aimed at the wrong people. Of course you likely won't hear this on Faux Noise.

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Nov 29, 2019 20:57:32   #
CodyCoonhound Loc: Redbone Country
 
emarine wrote:
Excellent info but the point of the matter is American small family farms were doing well until trump... there is a lot of BS in trumps best ever economy... 24% is huge in a good economy for failures... seems the large corporate farms got the help not the little guy...


A recent article on small farmers and their thoughts on Trump's efforts to get to free trade with China. That is what farmers really want because our farm equipment and environment makes the USA the most productive farmers in the world.

https://nypost.com/2019/07/13/why-americas-tariff-hit-farmers-still-support-trump/

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Nov 29, 2019 20:59:42   #
Rose42
 
emarine wrote:
Excellent info but the point of the matter is American small family farms were doing well until trump... there is a lot of BS in trumps best ever economy... 24% is huge in a good economy for failures... seems the large corporate farms got the help not the little guy...


Before Trump the big farms were already working to squeeze out the little farms.

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Nov 29, 2019 21:28:56   #
77Reaganite Loc: Athens, GA, United States
 
factnotfiction wrote:
Since trump just sided with Hong Kong and pissed China off, the chance of a new trade deal may have just vanished like the t***h when trump or his con supporters try to spin a lie.

That said, if trump is telling the t***h that China's economy is much worse than the U.S economy, and that China is paying billions and billions and billions of dollars into the treasury, the question becomes why should trump ever end his tariffs on China, in fact why not increase both the rate of tariffs and expand the number of products affected by the trump tariffs.

In a few years or less, trump could bankrupt China, and lower taxes here even further. And pay down the ever increasing trump monthly deficit and ever increasing national debt.

Sounds like a plan that all trump cons should be able to support, so why won't trump do it?
Since trump just sided with Hong Kong and pissed C... (show quote)


What is wrong with you non freedom-loving c****es explain what is wrong with being free! Everybody should be free from Chinese style net censorship that Google and Twitter are exacting on everybody in America you actually thought that they were just going to censor only conservatives you would be wrong comrade if you don't bow to the state everybody gets put into it technological ghetto where you're never be heard of again! The people that you should fear the most are the tech Giant's not the president of the United States

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Nov 29, 2019 21:44:51   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
straightUp wrote:
1. Trump's "accomplishments" are making America worse than it's ever been and he wouldn't be allowed to screw the American people like he is if not for his supporters. So no, we don't have much respect for Trump supporters.

2. So far I have not heard a single argument to support the ridiculous notion that Trump is making America great again that doesn't depend on over-simplified views, so I guess I'm really surprised at the simple-minded stereotype, but it *IS* a stereotype.




Hey, hockey pick, I ain't crying. You like to mix it up? So be it. It takes complete i***t to deny the good Trump had done. Only a stupid fool would fuss about more of all minorities working than ever before. Does your incopintant brain want them back on food stamps? Or are you just lying about those poor i*****l i*******ts? You want them over here but not to have a job? How ridiculous can you be? You know what? Trump ain't the first president to use tarriffs...he didn't invent them.
People only bought Chinese stuff because it was cheap. No matter who pays the tarriffs, it will hit the Chinese,..
People will stop buying the over priced crap that China puts out. China will be the one to get hurt. Are Americans gonna die cause they can't buy a cheap ass toy from China.Your news sources are liars, your dimwitocrats are liars, and i***tic supporters who don't even know what they support are happy to lie too. You people are pissed because Trump sided with Hong Kong instead of a c*******t regime. That's totally a reversal from your tantrums about the Kurds. So do you support people trying to be free or not. If you can't make up your mind, you need to STFU, so intelligent people can actually debate on OPP. I have theroized that liberals don't pick their noses because if they did, they would lose what little brain they have.

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Nov 29, 2019 21:51:48   #
Saspatz007 Loc: The goat sheds
 
MatthewlovesAyn wrote:
I just went on Netflix this morning. The first thing that popped up was "The Irishman." I watched about 30 minutes of this DiNiro POS, and came to a realization. Robert and his liberal ilk celebrate that which is the worst in humanity. He and the rest of of his philosophical compadres h**e Trump because he stands for trade between willing individuals, not thugs like trade unions and government. I truly think the liberal commentators on this site are thugs and thieves. Celebrating the likes of thieves like Warren and Bernie and the people DeNiro portrays is unconscionable. The same people the liberals on this site glorify, I disdain. Trump is the first president in a century to actually believe in America as a philosophy. And yes, I think Reagan paid lip service and caved. Is Trump perfect? Uh, no. But he's by far the best in my 45 years of v****g.
I just went on Netflix this morning. The first thi... (show quote)


Wait a minute. I’m a liberal and WILL take an anti nausea pill and color the box for Trump again if either Sanders or Warren are the nominee!

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Nov 29, 2019 22:19:55   #
Stopthebs
 
If the dumborats would have done their jobs and worked together with Conservatives instead of spending millions of dollars paying people to lie the President could have made enormous strides for our country. He has spent less than Obama in his first term. Obama ran our national debt sky high. He didn’t have the guts to stand up for our country.

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Nov 29, 2019 22:28:17   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
maximus wrote:
Hey, hockey pick, I ain't crying. You like to mix it up? So be it. It takes complete i***t to deny the good Trump had done. Only a stupid fool would fuss about more of all minorities working than ever before. Does your incopintant brain want them back on food stamps? Or are you just lying about those poor i*****l i*******ts? You want them over here but not to have a job? How ridiculous can you be? You know what? Trump ain't the first president to use tarriffs...he didn't invent them.
People only bought Chinese stuff because it was cheap. No matter who pays the tarriffs, it will hit the Chinese,..
People will stop buying the over priced crap that China puts out. China will be the one to get hurt. Are Americans gonna die cause they can't buy a cheap ass toy from China.Your news sources are liars, your dimwitocrats are liars, and i***tic supporters who don't even know what they support are happy to lie too. You people are pissed because Trump sided with Hong Kong instead of a c*******t regime. That's totally a reversal from your tantrums about the Kurds. So do you support people trying to be free or not. If you can't make up your mind, you need to STFU, so intelligent people can actually debate on OPP. I have theroized that liberals don't pick their noses because if they did, they would lose what little brain they have.
Hey, hockey pick, I ain't crying. You like to mix ... (show quote)



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Nov 29, 2019 22:28:47   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Saspatz007 wrote:
Wait a minute. I’m a liberal and WILL take an anti nausea pill and color the box for Trump again if either Sanders or Warren are the nominee!


Platforms

Not people

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Nov 29, 2019 22:31:46   #
Mikeyavelli
 
son of witless wrote:
I said, " I have found that when people do what Obama does they are usually deliberately confusing their marks before they screw them over. "

You said
" In MY long life I have found that to be the exception rather than the rule. Maybe I'm just less prone to being fooled because when people try to fool me with big words I can usually see right through it. "

I had some more clever remarks in mind, but I will just leave it there.

I said, " I have studied Samuel Johnson the great 18th English century literary figure and sometimes he would use obscure language, but you could still grasp his meaning because he valued clarity above all else. "
You said,

" My bet is that you were simply more interested in what Samuel Johnson was saying so you took the effort to learn what he meant. " Of course that is true. Johnson, not being a politician had no reason to attempt deception. Obama being a politician was more interested in winning than he was in the t***h.

I said,
" Obama deliberately uses imprecise language so that when his ideas fail he could always claim that he did not mean what you thought he said. Used car salesmen and crooked politicians do that. "

You said,
" I'm not going to say this technique isn't used in politics but I don't think it's an accurate caricature of Obama's communication to the public. I think in most cases he was just talking to the American people on an adult level. "

You've already admitted that you did not understand everything he said. I say that he looked into the TV cameras and deliberately lied about Obamacare. Now you may be higher educated than the average v**er and you did not get 100 % of what he said. Imagine how much less many other citizens understood when he spoke. Add that to the fact that I say he lied, and the inescapable conclusion is that Obama lied his ass off and used big words and twisted logic to deceive everyone, but me.

He wasn't able to deceive me. I knew the Obamacare numbers did not and could not add up. It did not matter because v**ers like you had already given him the power to enact Obamacare.
I said, " I have found that when people do w... (show quote)


Everything that came out of Obama's mouth was shovel ready.

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Nov 29, 2019 22:39:24   #
Saspatz007 Loc: The goat sheds
 
Rose42 wrote:
Wrong. What we need in politics is more plain speaking. You forget they work for US.

Its not about thinking government will fix things - thats what democrats push. People need to wise up all right. Neither party is operating in our best interests but their own.


Figure it out kiddo! The vast majority of our high level politicians are beholden to the oligarchy. Unless we can find a way to break their fingers they will keep pulling the strings.

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Nov 29, 2019 22:44:34   #
Rose42
 
Saspatz007 wrote:
Figure it out kiddo! The vast majority of our high level politicians are beholden to the oligarchy. Unless we can find a way to break their fingers they will keep pulling the strings.


I hear you on that. People don’t want to believe it which is why nothing really changes.

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Nov 29, 2019 23:45:38   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:


Sorry. I get tired of bring called names. I can do it as well as anybody, but I DO try to keep my composure. And I wasn't crying either. I ain't leaving OPP either. I will treat those with respect who deserve respect, as for the rest...who cares?


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Nov 29, 2019 23:53:15   #
jimbrowning71
 
Simple economics assures a disaster when Hussien raised the deficit 10 trillion. Put simply means he tried to destroy us in 8 yrs. (For you ignorant socialist yrs. means years!)

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