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Nov 8, 2019 01:08:51   #
JW
 
PeterS wrote:
Gosh, you mean it's only free if every news organization tells a different story? And if they pull from the AP or UPI it's going to be the same. The question is, how could Fox, which belongs to both organizations, report anything but what they report? The answer is, they couldn't, unless they made it up...


I don't blame you for not understanding. I didn't at first either. If five news outlets tell the same story in essentially the same words, that indicates propaganda. It's not that they need to tell different stories but that they tell the same stories differently.

Presumably, every news organ has its own writers and editors. Different people will say the same thing differently. When all of the public voices are saying the same things in the same ways, there is only a single source. Single source "news" is propaganda.

AP and UPI, if that one even still exists, do write stories for general distribution but, on TV/video, they have their anchors deliver the stories. They will inevitably have minor and major differences in how they tell the stories. When one after the other broadcasts the same story using the same key words, you do not have a free press because they are all bound to the same agenda and take their cues from the same source.

As for Fox/not Fox, there is no reason to believe them any more than anyone else. However, if Fox is consistently right, or even predominantly correct, they begin to have credibility. The facts are that
Fox allows both sides to present their views. That indicates that there are more than single source stories being presented. That has not been the case on the MSM and their cable offshoots.

My grandfather lived through Hitler's propaganda era. He watched it build from nothing to nothing else and what he described is exactly what can be seen on the MSM today.

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Nov 8, 2019 02:53:03   #
Seth
 
PeterS wrote:
Gosh, you mean it's only free if every news organization tells a different story? And if they pull from the AP or UPI it's going to be the same. The question is, how could Fox, which belongs to both organizations, report anything but what they report? The answer is, they couldn't, unless they made it up...


The fun part is that conservative means conservative -- conservative news agencies believe in old fashioned journalism, where they understand that the public trusts them to give the whole story, no matter which side comes out looking good or bad, and to report news fairly. I read the N.Y. Post, among others, and read plenty of articles wherein they don't leave anything out to protect Trump or Republicans.

I can't say the same for most legacy media. ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, NYT, WaPo, etc all "report" either incomplete or fake biased news.

That's just the way it is.

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Nov 8, 2019 05:26:25   #
rk
 
Not a “Free Press”
-a SLAVE press owned and paid by
their handlers.

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Nov 8, 2019 05:33:08   #
JIM BETHEA
 
PeterS wrote:
Yup, sounds like he knows him well...


Washington's quote was long before the Rothschilds bought out Reuters & 46 of the leading newspapers in the 1880s

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Nov 8, 2019 06:21:09   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
PeterS wrote:
Yup, sounds like he knows him well...


By "Free Press" you mean one that publishes the same crocks of crap Liberal Hobbit fart sniffers espouse? They are free only if they agree with Liberals?

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Nov 8, 2019 06:32:54   #
Radiance3
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Unfreedom of the Press

Almost 3,000 reader reviews, 95% of which are 5 stars.

From five-time #1 New York Times bestselling author, FOX News star, and radio host Mark R. Levin comes a groundbreaking and enlightening book that shows how the great tradition of the American free press has degenerated into a standardless profession that has squandered the faith and trust of the American public, not through actions of government officials, but through its own abandonment of reportorial integrity and objective journalism.

Unfreedom of the Press is not just another book about the press. Levin shows how those entrusted with news reporting today are destroying freedom of the press from within: “not government oppression or suppression,” he writes, but self-censorship, group-think, bias by omission, and passing off opinion, propaganda, pseudo-events, and outright lies as news.

With the depth of historical background for which his books are renowned, Levin takes the reader on a journey through the early American patriot press, which proudly promoted the principles set forth in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, followed by the early decades of the Republic during which newspapers around the young country were open and transparent about their fierce allegiance to one political party or the other.

It was only at the start of the Progressive Era and the twentieth century that the supposed “objectivity of the press” first surfaced, leaving us where we are today: with a partisan party-press overwhelmingly aligned with a political ideology but hypocritically engaged in a massive untruth as to its real nature.
url=https://www.amazon.com/Unfreedom-Press-Mark-R... (show quote)

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Great book, that summarizes it all. The integrity of the press from the foundation of our country, has turned 180 degrees to the left that does the opposite. It is not to inform the people with facts. The best thing is to avoid them.

The press at present is an instrument or weapon of destruction loaded with lies and fabricated events to destroying the conservative party, and promote the ideology of the socialist progressive democrats. The main objective is for power and control.

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Nov 8, 2019 08:15:34   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of NYC & Rhode Island
 
PeterS wrote:
Yup, sounds like he knows him well...



Of course, you distort things, like you always do. Trump has NEVER attacked a FREE press. And FREEDOM of the press does NOT immunize it from criticism. You can not respond to this & won't.

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Nov 8, 2019 10:29:24   #
debeda
 
PeterS wrote:
Yup, sounds like he knows him well...


The problem is we no longer have a free press. We have Pravda, and if you don't agree with establishment Democrats you must be insane and be discredited as such

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Nov 8, 2019 10:29:53   #
debeda
 
Parky60 wrote:
You're calling them a free press? That's HILARIOUS!



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Nov 8, 2019 10:30:49   #
debeda
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Unfreedom of the Press

Almost 3,000 reader reviews, 95% of which are 5 stars.

From five-time #1 New York Times bestselling author, FOX News star, and radio host Mark R. Levin comes a groundbreaking and enlightening book that shows how the great tradition of the American free press has degenerated into a standardless profession that has squandered the faith and trust of the American public, not through actions of government officials, but through its own abandonment of reportorial integrity and objective journalism.

Unfreedom of the Press is not just another book about the press. Levin shows how those entrusted with news reporting today are destroying freedom of the press from within: “not government oppression or suppression,” he writes, but self-censorship, group-think, bias by omission, and passing off opinion, propaganda, pseudo-events, and outright lies as news.

With the depth of historical background for which his books are renowned, Levin takes the reader on a journey through the early American patriot press, which proudly promoted the principles set forth in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, followed by the early decades of the Republic during which newspapers around the young country were open and transparent about their fierce allegiance to one political party or the other.

It was only at the start of the Progressive Era and the twentieth century that the supposed “objectivity of the press” first surfaced, leaving us where we are today: with a partisan party-press overwhelmingly aligned with a political ideology but hypocritically engaged in a massive untruth as to its real nature.
url=https://www.amazon.com/Unfreedom-Press-Mark-R... (show quote)



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Nov 8, 2019 10:55:52   #
biker1950
 
PeterS wrote:
Yup, sounds like he knows him well...


The things some are stating here is why I have not turned the news on my tv for over 3 years. I got fed up with the one sided news. The talking heads of today do not report the news. They give their opinions which is not reporting the news.

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Nov 8, 2019 11:08:19   #
Sonny Magoo Loc: land of the free
 
PeterS wrote:
Yup, sounds like he knows him well...


Ever read Orwell??? If you did, you didn't comprehend it.

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Nov 8, 2019 11:27:19   #
debeda
 
biker1950 wrote:
The things some are stating here is why I have not turned the news on my tv for over 3 years. I got fed up with the one sided news. The talking heads of today do not report the news. They give their opinions which is not reporting the news.



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Nov 8, 2019 11:28:20   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
PeterS wrote:
Yup, sounds like he knows him well...



Pete,

I haven't addressed you since I have returned to the Opp so I suppose it is time that once again we must agree to disagree. LOL. Be fair at least; you are comparing apples with biscuits. It was a much different time and a very different press.

There was a time when the press was independent and non-biased. Then they went from honesty to two views, now the majority of the news is owned and operated by liberal biased headline grabbing low lifes.

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Nov 8, 2019 11:31:27   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
PeterS wrote:
Yup, sounds like he knows him well...


A free press has to attempt to provide all facts against all sides when providing the news. But at this time the MSM only produce one side of an issue and fail to post facts about the side they are rooting for. The press isn't free any more, they are the spokesmen for the Democratic party or what used to be the Democratic party. If they had the common sense of the news people in the fifties and sixties they would post all facts for or against each side. For now that isn't their forte.

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