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Oct 21, 2019 00:18:01   #
EmilyD
 
at41 wrote:
Read the constitution on what the House of Representatives is required to do in conducting an impeachment

Trump made a phone call.

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Oct 21, 2019 00:33:20   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
rumitoid wrote:
Impeachment proceedings is well within the purview of Congress; it is in no way, shape, or form illegal. Refusing this legal process is criminal and subject to fines and imprisonment. It can also be taken in certain extreme circumstances s******n or treason, punishment by death. If those refusing to testify know that the president of the US conspired by intimidation to gain political advantage over a political opponent through a foreign government agency, they may face punishment by death.

Not to comply with the subpoenas from Congress is what dictators do: ignore the law of the land. And he has Barr working as his personal lawyer, as well as the WH counsel. Both are supposed to be independent and working for the office of presidency, not the president. Our whole justice system is being corrupted by Trump and his flunkies.
Impeachment proceedings is well within the purview... (show quote)
What exactly is a "Constitutionally legal subpeona"?

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Oct 21, 2019 00:55:56   #
EmilyD
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
What exactly is a "Constitutionally legal subpeona"?


There isn't. It's Dems trying to make what they're doing seem like a legitimate subponea (c**p).

The"subpoena" is a letter that says "you have to testify to us or else we're going to slap your wrists"

The House can't take it to a v**e anywhere, and no one can sue! It's bogus.

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Oct 21, 2019 01:50:00   #
EmilyD
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
What exactly is a "Constitutionally legal subpeona"?

One that they say is legal when it isn't.

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Oct 21, 2019 02:03:55   #
EmilyD
 
JFlorio wrote:
Add to that. These are not Judicial subpoenas, they are congressional. This is pure politics. Nothing more. The corruption apple cart is being exposed. What we are seeing is a lot of unethical behavior for decades that may or may not be criminal. See the gas company the fuss is about and where their lobby money went. If it’s not illegal, we need tougher laws.

Yes. We shouldn't be discouraged.

I myself don't think we can win! Think about it...no one is backing up or sponsoring us.
Our Republicans are floundering all over the place wanting to keep their paychecks. So they can make thier millions. And Democrats are chafing at the bit to chew Trump into bits.

Only thing is that Trump is good at dealing with chewies...then he wins....

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Oct 21, 2019 02:15:52   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
EmilyD wrote:
There isn't. It's Dems trying to make what they're doing seem like a legitimate subponea (c**p).

The"subpoena" is a letter that says "you have to testify to us or else we're going to slap your wrists"

The House can't take it to a v**e anywhere, and no one can sue! It's bogus.
The Constitution is specific on what constitutes grounds for impeachment of a president, or any other elected officer - Treason, Bribery, and high crimes and misdemeanors. The Constitution also specifies that charges of these offenses depends on the testimony of at least two witnesses to the offense. Since there is no mention of subpeonas in the Constitution, such a summons is only a congressional tool.

President Trump has never committed treason nor has he bribed anyone. As for high crimes and misdemeanors:

In the Federalist Papers, Madison, Hamilton and Jay, made a clear distinction between what we normally view as a high crime or misdemeanor and those that apply to someone in an elective high office. Very different circumstance altogether. Misdemeanor, as the founder's defined it bears no relationship to those laws that apply to private citizens. A high crime or misdemeanor in the constitutional sense applies to those who, because of their official status, are under special obligations that ordinary persons are not under, and which could not be meaningfully applied or justly punished if committed by private citizens.

Therefore, impeachable offenses are quite limited. Unproven allegations, false accusations, porn stars and phone calls are not among them.

The subpeonas flying from the HJC are nothing more than the product of the Machiavellian political game those maniacs are playing. This is not just an attack on president Trump, it is an attack on the Executive Branch, on our system of government and our nation in general.

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Oct 21, 2019 02:21:37   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
EmilyD wrote:
Yes. We shouldn't be discouraged.

I myself don't think we can win! Think about it...no one is backing up or sponsoring us.
Our Republicans are floundering all over the place wanting to keep their paychecks. So they can make thier millions. And Democrats are chafing at the bit to chew Trump into bits.

Only thing is that Trump is good at dealing with chewies...then he wins....
If the millions of Americans who wholeheartedly support President Trump succumbed to such a defeatist attitude, we surely would not win. WE, the People are the backup, Emily, we are our own sponsors. America is not a not a government with a country of subjects, America is a nation of free people with a government. Such as it is. The Constitution of the United States belongs to us, it is not the property of the federal government. It is up to us.

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Oct 21, 2019 03:47:14   #
EmilyD
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
If the millions of Americans who wholeheartedly support President Trump succumbed to such a defeatist attitude, we surely would not win. WE, the People are the backup, Emily, we are our own sponsors. America is not a not a government with a country of subjects, America is a nation of free people with a government. Such as it is. The Constitution of the United States belongs to us, it is not the property of the federal government. It is up to us.

I see it. We are the people whom our Founders were thinking of when they wrote those words. The main word is "Freedom"

Freedom of speech
Freedom to live our lives as we want.
FREEDOM. It is what "we the people" need to keep front and center. If we lose any part of the freedoms that our sponsors fought and died for, then we will be in a hopeless situation.

I truly understand you, and I will fight for my freedom and my future family until I die.

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Oct 21, 2019 04:57:28   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
EmilyD wrote:
I see it. We are the people whom our Founders were thinking of when they wrote those words. The main word is "Freedom"

Freedom of speech
Freedom to live our lives as we want.
FREEDOM. It is what "we the people" need to keep front and center. If we lose any part of the freedoms that our sponsors fought and died for, then we will be in a hopeless situation.

I truly understand you, and I will fight for my freedom and my future family until I die.



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Oct 21, 2019 05:23:31   #
Tug484
 
rumitoid wrote:
Impeachment proceedings is well within the purview of Congress; it is in no way, shape, or form illegal. Refusing this legal process is criminal and subject to fines and imprisonment. It can also be taken in certain extreme circumstances s******n or treason, punishment by death. If those refusing to testify know that the president of the US conspired by intimidation to gain political advantage over a political opponent through a foreign government agency, they may face punishment by death.

Not to comply with the subpoenas from Congress is what dictators do: ignore the law of the land. And he has Barr working as his personal lawyer, as well as the WH counsel. Both are supposed to be independent and working for the office of presidency, not the president. Our whole justice system is being corrupted by Trump and his flunkies.
Impeachment proceedings is well within the purview... (show quote)


Wake up! An impeachment is for the whole house of representatives, not just a committee!

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Oct 21, 2019 05:27:01   #
Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA
 
rumitoid wrote:
Impeachment proceedings is well within the purview of Congress; it is in no way, shape, or form illegal. Refusing this legal process is criminal and subject to fines and imprisonment. It can also be taken in certain extreme circumstances s******n or treason, punishment by death. If those refusing to testify know that the president of the US conspired by intimidation to gain political advantage over a political opponent through a foreign government agency, they may face punishment by death.

Not to comply with the subpoenas from Congress is what dictators do: ignore the law of the land. And he has Barr working as his personal lawyer, as well as the WH counsel. Both are supposed to be independent and working for the office of presidency, not the president. Our whole justice system is being corrupted by Trump and his flunkies.
Impeachment proceedings is well within the purview... (show quote)


Yes, just like Eric Holder was prosecuted for failing to show up when he was subpoenaed by Congress over the Obama failed Fast and Furious debacle.

Holder went to jail over that, didn't he?

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Oct 21, 2019 05:43:11   #
Tug484
 
Ferrous wrote:
Yes, just like Eric Holder was prosecuted for failing to show up when he was subpoenaed by Congress over the Obama failed Fast and Furious debacle.

Holder went to jail over that, didn't he?


I've heard previous Congress men on TV saying this isn't being done in a normal way.
Yet the left on here keep up the sham that Dems are doing it correctly.
They're doing it because their crimes are being found out.
That's even why Romney is acting like a jerk.

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Oct 21, 2019 08:56:01   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
rumitoid wrote:
Impeachment proceedings is well within the purview of Congress; it is in no way, shape, or form illegal. Refusing this legal process is criminal and subject to fines and imprisonment. It can also be taken in certain extreme circumstances s******n or treason, punishment by death. If those refusing to testify know that the president of the US conspired by intimidation to gain political advantage over a political opponent through a foreign government agency, they may face punishment by death.

Not to comply with the subpoenas from Congress is what dictators do: ignore the law of the land. And he has Barr working as his personal lawyer, as well as the WH counsel. Both are supposed to be independent and working for the office of presidency, not the president. Our whole justice system is being corrupted by Trump and his flunkies.
Impeachment proceedings is well within the purview... (show quote)


This f**e impeachment proceedings are anything but legal!!

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Oct 21, 2019 09:33:16   #
waltmoreno
 
rumitoid wrote:
Impeachment proceedings is well within the purview of Congress; it is in no way, shape, or form illegal. Refusing this legal process is criminal and subject to fines and imprisonment. It can also be taken in certain extreme circumstances s******n or treason, punishment by death. If those refusing to testify know that the president of the US conspired by intimidation to gain political advantage over a political opponent through a foreign government agency, they may face punishment by death.

Not to comply with the subpoenas from Congress is what dictators do: ignore the law of the land. And he has Barr working as his personal lawyer, as well as the WH counsel. Both are supposed to be independent and working for the office of presidency, not the president. Our whole justice system is being corrupted by Trump and his flunkies.
Impeachment proceedings is well within the purview... (show quote)


Whaddya talkin' 'bout? The heading of your thread tells me everything I need to know about your post.
There's nothing constitutional about subpoenas issued by a partisan bunch of Dim, Trump-hating hacks on an Impeachment Inquiry committee. And Dictatorial overtures? Please!
As another responder wrote, they're not even subpoenas, but rather demands.
The proper response would be for Trump to ignore them and if the Dims wanna challenge them they can take up the issue in court. Ultimately the SCOTUS will declare the Dims out of order because they they aren't in an actual impeachment proceeding but rather a pretend 'impeachment inquiry'. Meaning that Republicans don't have any say in these proceedings. They can't ask questions, nor issue actual subpoenas. Like everything else the Dims do, the impeachment inquiry is a F**E impeachment proceeding. Nancy's too smart to let Republicans say even a word. That's why she'll never start an actual impeachment.

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Oct 21, 2019 09:54:08   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
rumitoid wrote:
Impeachment proceedings is well within the purview of Congress; it is in no way, shape, or form illegal. Refusing this legal process is criminal and subject to fines and imprisonment. It can also be taken in certain extreme circumstances s******n or treason, punishment by death. If those refusing to testify know that the president of the US conspired by intimidation to gain political advantage over a political opponent through a foreign government agency, they may face punishment by death.

Not to comply with the subpoenas from Congress is what dictators do: ignore the law of the land. And he has Barr working as his personal lawyer, as well as the WH counsel. Both are supposed to be independent and working for the office of presidency, not the president. Our whole justice system is being corrupted by Trump and his flunkies.
Impeachment proceedings is well within the purview... (show quote)


Its an inquiry not an impeachment they have to v**e for impeachment AND if they v**e they have to allow the republicans in the process and they don't want that their stirring up s**t thats all to cause Trump more grief when they should be doing their jobs

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