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Oct 13, 2019 16:39:33   #
Augusta
 
The Atlantic Council is also funded by the Victor Pinchuk Foundation.

Pinchuk is a Ukrainian billionaire who reportedly gave $25 million to the Clinton Foundation, and was invited to Clinton’s home for a dinner in 2012 while she was secretary of state, despite an earlier denial from a Clinton spokesperson that “never on her schedule” during her time as Secretary.

Two prominent names are among the folks who fund the Atlantic Council. One is George Soros’ Open Society Foundation. And the other? Burisma, the company which appointed H****r B***n to its board and who the subject of the investigation that was allegedly stopped when Biden pressured Ukraine, according to the prosecutor who was fired. Schiff was aware of the complaint from at least August 12 when he allegedly received it from the whistleblower. Yet he didn’t inform his colleagues in Congress until last week. He went on ABC on the Sunday and told George Stephanopoulos that “once he found out about the complaint” he demanded answers and went public right away. But that wasn’t true, he waited a month.

His colleague Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY) called him out on it, asking why had he not informed Congress.

Now there’s another strange connection that Schiff has in the case.

As Breitbart notes, one of Schiff’s Congressional staffers, Thomas Eager, took a trip to Ukraine between August 24-31 with other Congressional staffers after the whistleblower complaint was filed. Rep. Adam Schiff approved his staffer’s travel as his signature on the travel request revealed.

That trip was paid for by the Atlantic Council.

https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2019/09/30/schiffs-staffer-traveled-to-ukraine-in-august-his-trip-was-paid-for-by-group-funded-by-h****r-bidens-former-company/

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Oct 13, 2019 16:40:02   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
PeterS wrote:
Because on page 4 of the phone call Trump directly asks him to open an investigation into Joe and H****r.

Trump: The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so wh**ever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.

Previously Trump asked Z to talk to Guiliani and Barr in reference to this.
Because on page 4 of the phone call Trump directly... (show quote)


So? Biden is the one who was bragging about stopping the prosecution Do you get that?? Biden openly bragged about stopping the prosecution from investigating his son's company. Trump is saying they should look into that and how that happened. Nothing implied about "in return for" or that he's looking for dirt on a political opponent? It's not even implied. It was in direct reference to what Biden himself had claimed.

Again, in the call he asked for a favor, for Ukraine to look into Crowdstrike. I find it rather odd that you l*****t Trump h**ers NEVER mention how THAT is the favor asked!!

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Oct 13, 2019 16:44:38   #
PeterS
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
The presumption is to imply that is what Trump was trying to get. Had she known about Giuliani and Trump looking into the Biden affair as early as they had been, even Nancy might have refrained from that claim.

Didn't you read the timeline you gave me? Trump and Rudy's interest in Ukraine only happened a month before Joe officially declared. If Trump had shown interest in Joe and Ukraine last year or the year before you might have an argument.

Lastly, you are missing the point that Trump is using Rudy for the bulk of this. This is the venue of the State Department and the Justice Department, not the president and his galavanting personal lawyer.

If nothing else this would prompt the interest the head of the house as it is her job to oversee the Whitehouse.

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Oct 13, 2019 16:55:04   #
Auntie Lulu
 
Kevyn wrote:
Where do you get the idea that congress can not issue subpoenas in the process of investigation, they can. And “impeachment exhaustion” give us a break, what the country is experiencing is exhaustion with the Cheeto faced S**tgibbon’s criminal buffoonery.



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Oct 13, 2019 17:09:02   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
PeterS wrote:
Because on page 4 of the phone call Trump directly asks him to open an investigation into Joe and H****r.

Trump: The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so wh**ever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.

Previously Trump asked Z to talk to Guiliani and Barr in reference to this.
Because on page 4 of the phone call Trump directly... (show quote)


I'll give you the benefit of the doubt Peter, if that were all we had, but it's not. Since Biden bragged about his corrupt act and since Trump and Giuliani were looking into it prior to Biden becoming a candidate, I can't agree with you.

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Oct 13, 2019 17:14:16   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
PeterS wrote:
Didn't you read the timeline you gave me? Trump and Rudy's interest in Ukraine only happened a month before Joe officially declared. If Trump had shown interest in Joe and Ukraine last year or the year before you might have an argument.

Lastly, you are missing the point that Trump is using Rudy for the bulk of this. This is the venue of the State Department and the Justice Department, not the president and his galavanting personal lawyer.

If nothing else this would prompt the interest the head of the house as it is her job to oversee the Whitehouse.
Didn't you read the timeline you gave me? Trump an... (show quote)


Giuliani has been going over there looking into it nearly two years before Biden declared, if I read the times right. He has dated affidavits from about a year before according to his interview with CNN, I think, or Fox. Not sure but I listened to the interview.

Even if only a month, it certainly predates Biden the candidate which supports my thinking that Biden became aware of their looking into it and became a candidate to shield him from closer inspection by the Trump administration.

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Oct 13, 2019 17:18:44   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt Peter, if that were all we had, but it's not. Since Biden bragged about his corrupt act and since Trump and Giuliani were looking into it prior to Biden becoming a candidate, I can't agree with you.

The Story Behind Biden’s Son, Ukraine and Trump’s Claims...

It raised eyebrows in 2014 when Vice President Joe Biden’s son H****r was hired by a Ukrainian gas company.

By The Associated Press; Published 23 September 2019

WASHINGTON (AP) — In 2014, then-Vice President Joe Biden was at the forefront of American diplomatic efforts to support Ukraine’s fragile democratic government as it sought to fend off Russian aggression and root out corruption. So it raised eyebrows when Biden’s son H****r was hired by a Ukrainian gas company.
The Obama White House said at the time that there was no conflict because the younger Biden was a private citizen. And there’s been no evidence of wrongdoing by either Biden.

Yet the matter is back in the spotlight following revelations that President Donald Trump prodded Ukraine’s president to help him investigate any corruption related to Joe Biden, now one of the top Democrats seeking to defeat Trump in 2020. Trump’s private lawyer Rudy Giuliani has also publicly urged Ukrainian officials to investigate the Bidens.

H****r B***n was named a paid board member of Burisma Holdings in April 2014. The company’s founder was a political ally of Viktor Yanukovych, Ukraine’s Russia-friendly president, who was driven out in February 2014 by mass protests.

Yanukovych’s ouster prompted the Obama administration to move quickly to deepen ties with Ukraine’s new government. Joe Biden played a leading role, traveling to Ukraine and speaking frequently with its new Western-friendly president.

The younger Biden’s business role raised concerns among anti-corruption advocates that Burisma was seeking to gain influence with the Obama administration. At the time, the company ran a natural gas extraction operation in Crimea, a Ukrainian peninsula annexed by Russia after Yanukovych was pushed from power.

H****r B***n has denied using his influence with his father to aid Burisma. He remained on the board through early 2019, often appearing at energy-related conferences abroad representing Burisma’s interests. On Saturday, the former vice president said he never speaks to his son about his overseas business dealings.

The matter, however, has continued to be questioned by Trump and his allies. They’ve pointed in particular to Biden’s move in March 2016 to pressure the Ukrainian government to fire its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who had previously led an investigation into Burisma’s owner. Biden was representing the official position of the U.S. government, a position that was also supported by other Western governments and many in Ukraine, who accused Shokin of being soft on corruption.

Corruption has continued to fester in Ukraine. In May, the country’s new president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, came into office with no political experience but with bold promises to put an end to the corrupt practices.
Around this time, Giuliani began reaching out to Zelenskiy and his aides to press for a government investigation into Burisma and H****r B***n’s role with the company.

In a Fox News interview on May 19, Trump claimed the former Ukrainian prosecutor “was after” Joe Biden’s son and that was why the former vice president demanded he be fired. There is no evidence of this.

Ukraine’s current prosecutor, Yuriy Lutsenko, was quoted by Bloomberg News in May as saying he had no evidence of wrongdoing by Biden or his son. Bloomberg also reported that the investigation into Burisma was dormant at the time Biden pressed for Shokhin’s ouster.

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Oct 13, 2019 19:15:47   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
The Story Behind Biden’s Son, Ukraine and Trump’s Claims...

It raised eyebrows in 2014 when Vice President Joe Biden’s son H****r was hired by a Ukrainian gas company.

By The Associated Press; Published 23 September 2019

WASHINGTON (AP) — In 2014, then-Vice President Joe Biden was at the forefront of American diplomatic efforts to support Ukraine’s fragile democratic government as it sought to fend off Russian aggression and root out corruption. So it raised eyebrows when Biden’s son H****r was hired by a Ukrainian gas company.
The Obama White House said at the time that there was no conflict because the younger Biden was a private citizen. And there’s been no evidence of wrongdoing by either Biden.

Yet the matter is back in the spotlight following revelations that President Donald Trump prodded Ukraine’s president to help him investigate any corruption related to Joe Biden, now one of the top Democrats seeking to defeat Trump in 2020. Trump’s private lawyer Rudy Giuliani has also publicly urged Ukrainian officials to investigate the Bidens.

H****r B***n was named a paid board member of Burisma Holdings in April 2014. The company’s founder was a political ally of Viktor Yanukovych, Ukraine’s Russia-friendly president, who was driven out in February 2014 by mass protests.

Yanukovych’s ouster prompted the Obama administration to move quickly to deepen ties with Ukraine’s new government. Joe Biden played a leading role, traveling to Ukraine and speaking frequently with its new Western-friendly president.

The younger Biden’s business role raised concerns among anti-corruption advocates that Burisma was seeking to gain influence with the Obama administration. At the time, the company ran a natural gas extraction operation in Crimea, a Ukrainian peninsula annexed by Russia after Yanukovych was pushed from power.

H****r B***n has denied using his influence with his father to aid Burisma. He remained on the board through early 2019, often appearing at energy-related conferences abroad representing Burisma’s interests. On Saturday, the former vice president said he never speaks to his son about his overseas business dealings.

The matter, however, has continued to be questioned by Trump and his allies. They’ve pointed in particular to Biden’s move in March 2016 to pressure the Ukrainian government to fire its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who had previously led an investigation into Burisma’s owner. Biden was representing the official position of the U.S. government, a position that was also supported by other Western governments and many in Ukraine, who accused Shokin of being soft on corruption.

Corruption has continued to fester in Ukraine. In May, the country’s new president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, came into office with no political experience but with bold promises to put an end to the corrupt practices.
Around this time, Giuliani began reaching out to Zelenskiy and his aides to press for a government investigation into Burisma and H****r B***n’s role with the company.

In a Fox News interview on May 19, Trump claimed the former Ukrainian prosecutor “was after” Joe Biden’s son and that was why the former vice president demanded he be fired. There is no evidence of this.

Ukraine’s current prosecutor, Yuriy Lutsenko, was quoted by Bloomberg News in May as saying he had no evidence of wrongdoing by Biden or his son. Bloomberg also reported that the investigation into Burisma was dormant at the time Biden pressed for Shokhin’s ouster.
The Story Behind Biden’s Son, Ukraine and Trump’s ... (show quote)


Incomplete and this article even cites Biden's claim of not talking to H****r about his business dealings.

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Oct 13, 2019 21:19:36   #
Navigator
 
slatten49 wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/fact-checking-5-claims-about-the-impeachment-inquiry/ar-AAIG6WV?ocid=spartandhp


Sorry slats. This "fact check" by the NYT is typical of liberal "fact checkers" where a true statement is labeled as misleading and the label "misleading" is followed by a bunch of BS to disingenuously disguise the fact that their "misleading" actually means true. The last point listed in the NYT article as false is shown by their explanation to be absolutely not false. The statement the NYT labels as false is that Nancy Pelosi said there was a "quid pro quo” in Trump's conversation. The NYT admits Pelosi actually did make that statement but then labels the claim she made it as false by trying to explain that that was an unimportant part of what she said and the important part of her claim was that Trump asked Zelensky to intervene in the 2020 US e******n. Two points here: 1. The claim that Pelosi stated there was a "quid pro quo" in Trumps conversation is absolutely True as stated by the NYT.
2. While Pelosi's claim that Trump asked Zelenski to intervene in the 2020 e******n may be important, a reading of the actual statement shows that Pelosi's statement is absolutely false as nothing remotely resembling such a request was made.

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Oct 14, 2019 02:05:10   #
Auntie Dee
 
slatten49 wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/fact-checking-5-claims-about-the-impeachment-inquiry/ar-AAIG6WV?ocid=spartandhp


I personally would never trust anything from the NYT! Once a great institution, now a rag-sheet and completely in the tank against President Trump!

Once you learn that T***H about the NYT, you learn to read between the lines and see the slant, everyone needs to do that with ALL of the media today! Media is no longer trustworthy! Most is l*****t propoganda!

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Oct 14, 2019 07:14:42   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Good points...

The first seems the most obvious to me... And it was that that I was referencing in my prior post concerning Pelosi's presumptiousness...


You mean this Pelosi?



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Oct 14, 2019 07:38:52   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
bdamage wrote:
You mean this Pelosi?


Yep....

This one...



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Oct 14, 2019 08:16:01   #
debeda
 
Auntie Dee wrote:
I personally would never trust anything from the NYT! Once a great institution, now a rag-sheet and completely in the tank against President Trump!

Once you learn that T***H about the NYT, you learn to read between the lines and see the slant, everyone needs to do that with ALL of the media today! Media is no longer trustworthy! Most is l*****t propoganda!


Very true

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Oct 14, 2019 08:47:30   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Yep....

This one...



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