Would impeachment lead to civil war? (Page 8): Unfortunately, the first civil war caused family divides and brothers joined opposing sides and it did cause irreparable harm to everyone...

bggamers Loc: georgia

slatten49 wrote:

If Congress is successful in removing President Trump, will it cause a Civil War-like fracture in this nation from which our country will never heal?

By Brandon Chai, Conservative Leaner living in a Liberal Bastion (with some editing)

I’ve heard a lot of this “civil war 2.0” type talk lately. Even I was guilty of believing something like this could happen at one point.

It is no secret that the political division in this country is pretty high right now. Name-slinging has become rampant. I’ve even lost some friends and stopped talking to certain family members because of it. However, I highly doubt that we will end up having a 2nd civil war right now. At least it probably wouldn’t be a hot war if we did.

The reason: Because father would have to go up against son. Mother against daughter. Sister against brother. Aunt against uncle. And cousin against aunt. Friends would also have to take up arms against friends. Co-workers against coworkers, etc.

I just don’t see this happening.

You see, during the time of the civil war, most families thought the same about certain issues. Whole areas often shared the same sentiments. Most pro-s***ery sentiments were confined to the south while most anti-s***ery sentiments were in the “north”. What we see today is much different. Families no longer think alike. Today, the kids of die-hard conservative parents might go off to college and become die hard liberals. Today, people in big cities tend to be more liberal so if you live in one of those areas, you might find yourself disagreeing with family members from more rural areas.

Also, there is a wide and densely scattered political party affiliation in the US today. So no, if Democrats successfully impeach Trump, conservatives and Trump supporters might get angry for a bit, but it would most likely quickly fizzle out once a new president was elected.

Neither ideological group would get any more angry than they already are at each other. Wh**ever political division can be had has already been created. If the parties aren’t already mad at one another for everything that’s happened just over the last two years, then they probably will never be mad enough, even if Trump were impeached.

In today’s political environment, if you haven’t already chosen hard sides by now, then you probably never will. And for the people that have chosen hard sides, Trump’s hypothetical impeachment couldn’t make sentiments any worse than they already are.

If we were going to have a civil war over Trump, we would have already had one in the last couple years.

If Congress is successful in removing President Tr... (show quote)

Unfortunately, the first civil war caused family divides and brothers joined opposing sides and it did cause irreparable harm to everyone in this country no I don't want another civil war but if you listen to waters encouraging violence to the other side AOC spewing blood must be spilled for us to be free Pelosi and Schiff all ways negative ,negative not doing their jobs just trying to get rid of a president WE elected. To them the American people are so stupid we didn't know what a horrible mistake we made and if we did know we need to be punished for it. Civil war yea I can see it the dems A****a and other groups, m*****a and about this time the 22 muslim training camp will jump up and start

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Singularity wrote:

Perhaps they have calculated that optimal speed towards destruction can be attained by allowing Mr Trump to insert his foot in his mouth, his head up his rear and use enough rope supplied to hang himself all the while throwing Pence and as many others of his administration under the bus with him.

He has the best mix of metaphors, the most actually, any president has ever had before. A lot of people don't know that. . .

Have they calculated just how stupid they are going to look as they try to d**g this on and on?

JediKnight

zillaorange wrote:

What gets me is, Pelosi decided she'd handle this ... (show quote)

Have you told Trump and the complicit republicans that we have a "3 system" government of checks and balances? I honestly don't think they know that.....sad.

zillaorange

Sonny Magoo wrote:

No civil war is coming until you are ready to give up the good life. War is Hell, and America is closer to Heaven than any other country

Not give up, taken !

JediKnight

bggamers wrote:

Unfortunately, the first civil war caused family d... (show quote)

You apparently are not aware of just what Trump really thinks of you republicans.....look at the bottom of the pic below.....

zillaorange

woodguru wrote:

I agree with the majority spoken here. We would see an escalation of mass murders though, pissed off people. There will be some butt hurt right wingers. Put it this way, I wouldn't put an anti trump bumper sticker on my truck in this county, Lol

My wife told me I couldn't put up a Trump poster. Said she was afraid of becoming a "target" !!! Here, in America !!! The sword cuts both ways !!!

zillaorange

JediKnight wrote:

You apparently are not aware of just what Trump really thinks of you republicans.....look at the bottom of the pic below.....

Please name 1 politician, except Lincoln, that doesn't lie ??? If we dig deep enough, we'd probably find 1 or 2 by Lincoln.

Singularity

JediKnight wrote:

Currently, the only 'kangaroo court' exists in the SC and Trump's mind! If I were in charge, every time a subpoena is refused, I would just have the Sargent -At-Arms arrest and jail those who refuse the subpoena until they complied. period.

I guess we prolly don't have cash for nothin fancy, but we could make them a barracks out on the Ellipse. Be nice and give them a list of things the govmint caint get for them like blankets and tooth brushes and beds and enough space to sit down and medicine and flu shots and family visits and all. And of course little details like searching and vetting private property they wish to bring with them could take months to untangle... If the stuff even got there with them in the first place....

Puts a new and dangerous spin on bring your KID to work days....

JediKnight

zillaorange wrote:

Please name 1 politician, except Lincoln, that doesn't lie ??? If we dig deep enough, we'd probably find 1 or 2 by Lincoln.

That's not the point zilla...Trump lies deliberately, especially for personal gain, and apparently with no shame. He is simply unfit to lead in any form or fashion. But, it looks like he did in fact keep one promise....Mexico is paying for the wall.....oh wait....its in Sharpie.....oops....maybe not.

zillaorange

JediKnight wrote:

That's not the point zilla...Trump lies deliberately, especially for personal gain, and apparently with no shame. He is simply unfit to lead in any form or fashion. But, it looks like he did in fact keep one promise....Mexico is paying for the wall.....oh wait....its in Sharpie.....oops....maybe not.

Like I said, name 1, all they care about is money & power ! We're up s---- creek. without a paddle or even a canoe !!! I***t joe didn't lie about his son's job ? That's EXACTLY THE POINT !!!

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

zillaorange wrote:

Like I said, name 1, all they care about is money & power ! We're up s---- creek. without a paddle or even a canoe !!! I***t joe didn't lie about his son's job ? That's EXACTLY THE POINT !!!

Lincoln had lie of the year! No wait, that was Obama!

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:

No offense to the man, but his thinking is based on the civil war was to end s***ery. No, that was an afterthought. The real issue was states' sovereignty. And it wasn't addressed. He's sort of corect about no civil war if Trump is impeached, flat out revolution.

No offense, but it isn't valid to view the US Civil War being about the liberty of each state towards self-determination versus centralized power as opposed to s***ery.

By Matt Riggsby

There’s a joke that people who don’t know anything about history say that the Civil War was about s***ery; people who know a bit about history say that it was a complicated matter involving factors including economics, cultural divides between north and south, and so on; and people who know a lot about history say it was about s***ery.

Anyway, the reason that it’s not valid to think of the Civil War as being about self-determination or states’ rights is because nobody at the time claimed that it was. There’s plenty of documentation from the time in the form of published speeches, statements outlining reasons for secession, letters between individuals, and other records of public and private discourse. People openly discuss the issues. And the issue was s***ery.

There was considerable conflict in the run up to the war about which territories would become s***e states and which not in order to maintain an uneasy balance of s***e vs. free states (which failed catastrophically in “Bleeding Kansas”), with that being the only significantly contentious issue in the process of creating new states. Several secession states explicitly named s***ery as their primary reason for secession. Several of those which didn’t made references to “protecting our property,” and in the context of the time, there was no property they could be referring to other than s***es. The VP of the Confederacy made the notorious “Cornerstone speech” shortly before the war outlining how race-based s***ery was fundamental to the Confederacy. The Confederate constitution was a near-copy of the US version, but in addition to a few technical matters (like, interestingly, a line-item veto), it inserted clauses specifically protecting the institution of s***ery.

So, then, without the s***er states trying to secede, there wouldn’t have been a Civil War . Essentially everybody in favor of secession either explicitly said that it was because of s***ery or for more abstract reasons of states’ rights which in the actual event ended up being a defense of their right to hold s***es. If you want to add some texture, you can note that the Union was fighting primarily to preserve the union of all the states rather than specifically to abolish s***ery (though there were strong strains of abolitionist thought), but the s***e states were nevertheless trying to leave because of no reason other than preserving the institution of s***ery. The idea that the s***e states wanted to leave the Union for broader reasons of self-determination is a fabrication. It was an idea created and promulgated only after the war as part of the 'Lost Cause' mythology. S***ery was thoroughly discredited, so Confederate apologists had to come up with something else. States’ rights was thoroughly ahistorical, but it’s what they came up with. Before the war, the justification was always, either explicitly or slightly behind the scenes, s***ery.

jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin

JFlorio wrote:

Instead of running your yap how about a friendly wager? I’ll give you 2:1 odds and bet a grand that Trump isn’t removed from office.

SINCE THE GOP OWNS THE SENATE I SAY NO BET I DONT EVEN THINK THAT IT WILL GET TO THE SENATE

NOBODY WINS WHEN IT IS POLITICS

roy

nwtk2007 wrote:

Lincoln had lie of the year! No wait, that was Obama!

One thing for sure as everybody on opp sits and has their petty tipsy fits,we now have thousands of our allies men women and children yes babies dieing because of trump. This man a fool. He can't come back and say it's f**e news,he can't give you all these talking points to get him out of this.Just kiss the Kurds goodbye,and say hello to the rise of ISIS again.And y'all call Obama a fool.

Singularity

zillaorange wrote:

Please name 1 politician, except Lincoln, that doesn't lie ??? If we dig deep enough, we'd probably find 1 or 2 by Lincoln.

Georgie Washington claimed he was unable to tell a lie when questioned in regards to vandalizing a tree. Some assume that indicated a sweeping lifelong virtue rather than a pragmatic appraisal of the evidence exposed in his red, ax wielding hand.

No such confusion regarding Trumps ability. I believe he very recently told the ten thousandth documented lie of his Presidency.

No. I will not provide a list.

It is known.