padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

You have just got to keep a conflict going don't you? I believe it must be in your nature. I do not feel personally under attack by you; the Christian faith and practice you scorn is. I don't need to defend the Faith because it will continue thru the ages just as Christ promised. I choose to speak up when people, such as yourself, voice their personal opinion as authoritative and without question. I take exception to many things you say but usually wouldn't take the time to respond. We've been down that road previously and I believe you were once asked to tone your attacks down.

I quite agree, there is nothing derogatory about the word sacrament (I would include practice and understanding) except when you used it to describe a person you approve, admire and elevate as being nonsacremtal. Did I voice my opinion and understanding that those, such as you, who do not believe in sacraments do not fully understand the free gift of grace? You need not respond to that question because I am not obligated or authorized to interfere with your obstinate empirical free will. 😇. Believe what you choose.

C'Mon smile for a change. I want to see your face break.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

OPP is a debate forum, NOT a "conflict"(?) forum:

debate

intransitive verb
To consider something; deliberate.
intransitive verb
To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.
intransitive verb
To engage in a formal discussion or argument. synonym: discuss.

More at Wordnik from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th


The nature of a debate forum is to debate.

No one in the Admin. of OPP has ever had any reason to asked me to "tone down" anything.

You have repeatedly called me demeaning, insulting terms in your past posts.

I have never reported you because your opinion is a matter of indifference.

The purpose of any thread is to keep the conversation going, with the understanding that any participant is free to bow out as they choose, NOT to accuse them of "keeping a conflict going."

That is most peculiar.

My sense of humor enables me to correspond with absolutely anyone - as is evident.

bahmer

Gee I have never seen Zemirah keep a conflict going. She is very well read in many books but mostly the bible and she expresses her beliefs that many of us on OPP hold as well and she does it graciously in my opinion. You of course can either agree or disagree which is your prerogative is that something to but just because you chose to disagree doesn't make her at fault. You believe in infant baptism and I believe in immersion so is that something to get into an argument over? There are many other things that you and I would disagree over but in explaining them you would probably take offense just as you do with Zemirah. I will continue to support her and her beliefs as long as I am on OPP.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Hi, bahmer,

I so appreciate the depth of your understanding of God's Word, resulting from your many years of faithful study, prayer and its application in your life.

In many past posts, the padre has ridiculed my use of God's Word, as my "Paper Pope."

The Christian faith we live and practice is shared by millions of people. Biblical Evangelical Christianity is not the rarity Traditionalists attempt to label it.

Biblical Evangelical Christianity is original Christianity. By the self-perceived sophisticated and worldly, it is even called "Primitive Christianity."

It is a sad thing to see those who claim to be authentic personifications of Christ's ekklesia/congregation ridicule Bible believers as practitioners of a foreign faith, which is unrecognizable to them.

In ancient times, the Bereans were the inhabitants of the city of Berea, also known in the Bible as Beroea, and now known as Veria in what is today Greek Macedonia, northern Greece.

God's word commends them for accepting nothing that did not confirm to what had been written in Holy Scripture (Sola Scriptura).

"Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true." (Acts 17:11)

This is the crux of the matter.

Notably, Jesus, also, three times, when tempted in the wilderness, responded to each temptation beginning with three words: "It is written," alluding to Holy Scripture.
(Matthew 4:1-11)

I conclude that Jesus was led by the spirit of God into the wilderness to be tempted in order to demonstrate His humanity, as a preparation for His ministry, and as an example to us to depend upon the Word of God as our source of strength, truth, and as the means by which we resist sin.

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

The best explanation on that subject I've ever heard. Kudos!

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Good evening, Peewee,

You are most kind, as someone with a true Biblical faith, evidenced in your conversation and in practice, your own knowledge of Scripture is exemplary.

Thank you for sharing the understanding of Prophecy God has shown you.

As a fellow lover of Israel, we can only wait to watch unfold what God has declared.

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

I'm a terrible reflection of Jesus but He loves me anyway and that blows me away when I consider it.

bahmer

Amen and Amen spot on as always Zemirah thanks for posting that and it is so true even today all we have is the scriptures that we can rely on.

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

You don't remember when you were told to tone it down? Really?
Remember when you were attacking Doc for his Catholic faith? I remember it well and was the reason I joined in the fray because you were obnoxious and Doc was outnumbered. Remember also that I am not a Roman Catholic? That "conflict "continued for months. We don't hear from him any longer : I expect he became extremely tired of you.

I was often surprised at your rewritten account of Christian history, faith, practice, and interpretation of Scripture and often wondered what modernist theologians were your mentors. I don't care what you personally believe, I do care when you force feed your "opinions" as superior to anyone else.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Bahmer I have no opposition to who or what you choose to believe but I cannot agree with Zemirah's theology, accurate portrayal of history, or her understanding of the faith and practice of Christianity. In my opinion she has read and honestly believes some virulent anti-catholic theologians who, to support their modernist beliefs, have categorically denied and literally demonized the fullness of the faith once delivered by Christ to the Apostles and the accurate history how the Church grew from that beginning. Her word is not gospel but she, again in my opinion, acts like she believes herself to be the final word. If someone was attacking you the way I perceived Doc was attacked I would step up and defend you even though I do not agree with your theology.

Every pastor has or had a zemirah in His congregation at one time or another. They are afflicted with the DOD mentality - dominate or destroy. While they may be good for our humility they frequently angrily leave the Church and promote their own brand of Christianity. How many denominations are there across America today? Good question. Too many. Remember, we can all be wrong; we cannot all be right.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Mike, It is most unfortunate that your memory is faulty.

I have never attacked anyone. Comparing the Catechism of Roman Catholicism (or the doctrines of any other denomination), or of the world's religions, with the Bible is not an attack on any individual.

Look back at the posts I received. Reread them.

I give you an example below of an exchange we had in March.

I do not lose my temper online. Unfortunately, you cannot say the same.


March 17, 2019

1. Your post:




2. My return post:




Again, none of my posts have ever been attacks on anyone. You are mischaracterizing them. Every word written in the posts is online. All can read them, if you wish to practice historical revisionism, it will not long endure.

If you wish to engage in personal feuds, look elsewhere.




Matthew 6:34
Jesus said: "Refuse to worry about tomorrow, but deal with each challenge that comes your way, one day at a time. Be not therefore anxious for the morrow, for the morrow shall be anxious for its own things; sufficient for the day is the evil of it."

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

I do not wish to re-read and relive those times when several of you were ganging up and attacking Doc. Those were dark days and I had never experienced the abject hatred towards all Roman Catholics and Catholic theology before. I remind you, again, I am not a Roman Catholic and never have been. On the other hand I have never heard of Catholics reciprocating their concern over Protestant theology, faith and practice and attacking them like Protestants attack Catholics.

The early Church leaders often disagreed; sometimes quite angrily. It was not what they disagreed on that built and protected the faith, but rather that on which all agreed. They understood this was the Holy Spirit leading them into Truth. Today there are many controversies within Christianity with everyone claiming they have the only Truth. And while too many are engaged in fighting for superiority consider how compromised and watered down Christianity has become practically world wide. If one desires to serve God and protect Christianity at the same time, it would be better to focus and dwell on what we hold in common than our differences. Not every group calling themselves Christian possess enough of our common faith to be legitimately called Christian. Screwtape and Wormwood are alive and well in our Churches and people.

So far as my anger you believe you perceive, understand what you perceive is permitted because it is righteous anger. 😇 The other kind I too often have need to ask forgiveness. I am a sinful man. More often than not it's because I have not deleted an expletive. 20 years in the military added some heat to my vocabulary and I'm well aware that profanity is the effort of a feeble mind trying to express itself forcibly. Sometimes when watching the news and the injustice of Progressives I simply cannot be passive and remain Christian.

I offer you an olive branch that we embrace that which we hold in common, our love of Christ, and set aside our differences.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

You have selective memory padre. I recall several vitriolic attacks on me and others on this forum.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

I have no idea who you are, who attacked you, or what it was about! So enlighten me on my selective memory and also was the comment, you claim you were attacked on, combative? You have noticed that an individual who challenges and demeans us about the Holy Trinity has Christians, from different denominations, supporting one another and rejecting him. The church you attend is........?