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Sep 19, 2019 17:22:59   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
woodguru wrote:
Obama was not friends with Putin, in fact it is really safe to say that Obama policies were destroying Russia's economy. focus on what Trump is doing, Obama is past history and there is no comparing Obama to Trump. Mr "Putin strongly denies it" Donald.


Greasy Bill was his gooood booty bro'.

Can't have no one checkin' the cell phone out, can we?

Better make it ILLEGAL! (hahahaha)

Yo! Calling all rubes! We gotta keep Trump from talking with Putin!

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Sep 19, 2019 17:23:29   #
woodguru
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
Foreign leaders can and do claim anything they think will serve their purpose. Why do you think a witness would stop the c****es from claiming wh**ever they wanted? Obama's short but revealing conversation with Medvedev led nowhere even though it was overheard by millions of people.


I think a witness would stop Trump from doing deals that don't involve national interests...such as a trump moscow....or a trump Korean resort

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Sep 19, 2019 17:29:35   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
woodguru wrote:
You are right, I happen to think neither Trump, Kushner, or Ivanka can be trusted not to work banana republic deals like Kushner did when he pressured Qatar into a loan on an "investment" that was way over leveraged to where Qatar was right to refuse it twice before being pressured by political blockades with the Saudi's. Or providing the Prince with intelligence on those allied with the Prince in succession for a c**p on the prince apparent.

Yes, Trump and any of the people involved in state business should have envoys of the ambassadors and state officials involved.
You are right, I happen to think neither Trump, Ku... (show quote)


Then that should have been the case for Obama, Bush II, Clinton, Bush I, etc. So why don't you expound on them? Oh that's right! They're not Trump.

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Sep 19, 2019 17:30:10   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
proud republican wrote:
What makes you think he was talking to Putin???...And why if he thought it was so "urgent" he didn't go to CIA or FBI???
At the G20 summit, president Trump talked privately with Putin for about an hour, an interpreter was present. This is not the first time a US president had private conversations with foreign leaders, even adversarial ones. Since Putin became the leader of Russia, he had private conversations with Clinton, GW Bush and Obama.

Obama met with Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of the 2013 G20 meeting in St. Petersburg. As it turned out, Obama had a half-hour discussion. The White House confirmed the meeting, but provided no details. Obama again met privately with Putin in 2015.

Since the Second World War, US presidents have held classified meetings with Russian Leaders. Most notable of these are FDR and Churchill meetings with Stalin and Reagan's meetings with Gorbachev.

When heads of state meet, often there are issues on the table that effect the national security of both nations, and discussions of these issues must remain classified. Because the outcome of these meetings may directly influence future decisions by both leaders, they are not for public consumption.

Progressives (statists) are inherently paranoid, they are suspicious of everyone who doesn't toe the party line or who is openly opposed to the statist ideology, and the rank and file progressive cup cakes are even worse. And, that paranoia is clearly evident in woodenhead's post. Has anyone heard Putin admit that president Trump "said something he did not, promises, commitments, threats, bribes, wh**ever"?

Hitler and Stalin, the most infamous statists in the 20th century, were undoubtedly the most paranoid and suspicious national leaders of the era, and therefore, as the historical record clearly shows, they were the most dangerous to their own people.

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Sep 19, 2019 17:48:28   #
Seth
 
woodguru wrote:
Obama was not friends with Putin, in fact it is really safe to say that Obama policies were destroying Russia's economy. focus on what Trump is doing, Obama is past history and there is no comparing Obama to Trump. Mr "Putin strongly denies it" Donald.


Trump also understands something you apparently don't: Russia has a lot of influence in the Middle East and west Asia, both potential flashpoints for war that could suck in the rest of the world.

Cooperation, rather than all-out enmity with Russia could prevent a lot of preventable violence.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Trump's foreign policy as regards Putin has had a lot more negative effect on Russia's economy than Obama's ever did, including Trump's push to curtail the dependency of Europe on Russian oil.

It was also the "foreign policy" of B. Hussein Obama and Hillary the Walking Crime Wave® that cost Ukraine the Crimea, among other things.

Sorry, pal, it's a little too soon to start this bit of revisionist history you are offering up. Perhaps if you wait about 20 more years, somebody will believe it.

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Sep 19, 2019 22:40:38   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
woodguru wrote:
The topic has come up, that there are protocols for p**********l discussions with foreign entities, especially adversaries. When Trump was criticized early on for insisting on secrecy, the only defense in his favor was that Obama talked to Putin alone for a few minutes so it was okay.

There are dozens of good reasons why every minute of discussions between the president and adversarial leaders need to be 100% monitored and t***scribed, which they are supposed to be. This prevents a foreign leader from claiming our president said something he did not, promises, commitments, threats, bribes, wh**ever, he needs witnesses.

Trump has had multiple conversations with Putin that he didn't even disclose, we have no idea what was said. Then we have found out about them through Russian press, which is Putin's propaganda machine, Putin says what he wants to say. Trump says conversations were meaningless when we find out about one, then the Russian press makes claims about conversations and involvements that are definitely more than nothing. We can assume that conversations with dictators are conversations with liars who could easily be believed to lie about what the president says. But then we have a president that quite frankly can't be believed for a second when he tries to relay his side of a conversation, which leaves us with a dire need for 100% monitored conversations.

Now we have a whistle blower complaint that is marked urgent, must be dealt with as soon as possible. National security is not a time for obstructing serious complaints that involve national security, disturbing promises made. It is ridiculous to think someone is going to jeopardize their career over something silly, and impossible to believe that the Intelligence Inspector General is going to validate something as urgent that is not. Laws are there for a reason, and those involving national security and the intelligence community are more serious than most.
The topic has come up, that there are protocols fo... (show quote)


It's called politics.... Deal with it...

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Sep 20, 2019 07:02:33   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
woodguru wrote:
Obama was not friends with Putin, in fact it is really safe to say that Obama policies were destroying Russia's economy. focus on what Trump is doing, Obama is past history and there is no comparing Obama to Trump. Mr "Putin strongly denies it" Donald.



Woodguru doesn't realize that world leaders regularly have to speak to each other. Far better that than bomb shells.

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Sep 20, 2019 07:18:58   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Woodguru doesn't realize that world leaders regularly have to speak to each other. Far better that than bomb shells.


I'm telling Vlad about woody!

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Sep 20, 2019 07:47:40   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
Seth wrote:
Trump also understands something you apparently don't: Russia has a lot of influence in the Middle East and west Asia, both potential flashpoints for war that could suck in the rest of the world.

Cooperation, rather than all-out enmity with Russia could prevent a lot of preventable violence.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Trump's foreign policy as regards Putin has had a lot more negative effect on Russia's economy than Obama's ever did, including Trump's push to curtail the dependency of Europe on Russian oil.

It was also the "foreign policy" of B. Hussein Obama and Hillary the Walking Crime Wave® that cost Ukraine the Crimea, among other things.

Sorry, pal, it's a little too soon to start this bit of revisionist history you are offering up. Perhaps if you wait about 20 more years, somebody will believe it.
Trump also understands something you apparently do... (show quote)



Good points, Seth but remember about Crimea it was traditionally part of Russia, not Ukraine. Stalin moved the border to the east for political reasons.

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Sep 20, 2019 07:57:27   #
Louis
 
Lonewolf wrote:
Sooner or later the t***h will prevail the trunks were growing broke after one bad deal after another Trump not being the sharpest tack in the Box. Trump was loser until you discovered money laundering. That's when the money started to flow in great quantities into the Trump family coffers. Seems they could buy a condo for a million dollars in a couple of weeks later sell it to a Russian or three or four million these were amazing real estate people.
Just before Justice Kennedy announced his retirement Trump jr Was given a billion dollar loan buy a big German Bank Long suspected money laundering and lo and behold Justice Kennedy's son was the loan officer in that bank I know it's just a coincidence.
I believed the Russians have a whole list of things that could topple the Trump Empire and calls Trump presidency to come to a screeching halt that's why it's dangerous!
Sooner or later the t***h will prevail the trunks ... (show quote)




Well, Lonesome, you just keep on believing wh**ever it is you want to believe. How ridiculous you are sometimes. You throw out one ridiculous thing after the other, then expect anyone with a brain cell to believe any of it. why don't you just stop?

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Sep 20, 2019 09:19:54   #
Seth
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Good points, Seth but remember about Crimea it was traditionally part of Russia, not Ukraine. Stalin moved the border to the east for political reasons.


Alas, this is true. I wonder what Josef would say had he known that years later, there would be another Tzar, and one who benefited from that move.

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Sep 20, 2019 11:31:55   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
woodguru wrote:
Obama was not friends with Putin, in fact it is really safe to say that Obama policies were destroying Russia's economy. focus on what Trump is doing, Obama is past history and there is no comparing Obama to Trump. Mr "Putin strongly denies it" Donald.


You're really funny...and a pitiful liar.

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Sep 20, 2019 11:33:29   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
woodguru wrote:
I think a witness would stop Trump from doing deals that don't involve national interests...such as a trump moscow....or a trump Korean resort


Presidents do deals, Guido. The idea you'll stop him is mind-numbingly i***tic.

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Sep 20, 2019 11:33:46   #
JediKnight
 
woodguru wrote:
The topic has come up, that there are protocols for p**********l discussions with foreign entities, especially adversaries. When Trump was criticized early on for insisting on secrecy, the only defense in his favor was that Obama talked to Putin alone for a few minutes so it was okay.

There are dozens of good reasons why every minute of discussions between the president and adversarial leaders need to be 100% monitored and t***scribed, which they are supposed to be. This prevents a foreign leader from claiming our president said something he did not, promises, commitments, threats, bribes, wh**ever, he needs witnesses.

Trump has had multiple conversations with Putin that he didn't even disclose, we have no idea what was said. Then we have found out about them through Russian press, which is Putin's propaganda machine, Putin says what he wants to say. Trump says conversations were meaningless when we find out about one, then the Russian press makes claims about conversations and involvements that are definitely more than nothing. We can assume that conversations with dictators are conversations with liars who could easily be believed to lie about what the president says. But then we have a president that quite frankly can't be believed for a second when he tries to relay his side of a conversation, which leaves us with a dire need for 100% monitored conversations.

Now we have a whistle blower complaint that is marked urgent, must be dealt with as soon as possible. National security is not a time for obstructing serious complaints that involve national security, disturbing promises made. It is ridiculous to think someone is going to jeopardize their career over something silly, and impossible to believe that the Intelligence Inspector General is going to validate something as urgent that is not. Laws are there for a reason, and those involving national security and the intelligence community are more serious than most.
The topic has come up, that there are protocols fo... (show quote)


Very well said Wood! I'm sure you already know you will be h**ed and bashed for your insightful opinions on this site. Finding 't***h' here is like finding a rare black diamond - t***h to a republican is like kryptonite to Superman.

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Sep 20, 2019 11:35:48   #
JediKnight
 
BigMike wrote:
Presidents do deals, Guido. The idea you'll stop him is mind-numbingly i***tic.


There is a definite difference between "doing a deal" and 'receiving marching orders.' With 6 bankruptcies and multiple miserably failed businesses, Trump does not 'do deals' - he receives marching orders. LOL....who ever heard of "bankrupting a casino?"

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