Rose42

Rumi, I question you because I want you to truly believe and be saved. Only God knows your heart and your intent. We all are to continually examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith.

I completely disagree about Abraham. I think it took great courage to obey God. Plus there is nothing mentioned in the bible about an inner struggle so to speculate and think he didn't really love his son is not productive. IMO I have no doubt he loved his son but he loved God more and that is how it has to be.

"Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."
Matthew 10:37

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

You can read and study your Bible until you're blue in the face and never understand a lot of it. Find a good pastor or preacher that teaches the deeper things in the Bible. Plenty of them on YT. Chuck Missler, Johnathan Cahn, Zev Porat, David Reagan, Perry Stone, and many others. Pretty soon you can tell who is feeding your spirit and who is playing fast and loose with the word of God for nefarious purposes. I love Prophecy in the News and Skywatch TV. They always have outstanding guests and you can learn a lot. Johnathan Cahn and Zev Porat are Jewish so they are a real blessing since they understand Hebrew, some words can have several meanings and the right meaning isn't always conveyed in our English Bibles. They all write books and Johnathan Cahn is my favorite writer.

rumitoid

I appreciate your concern. This is just my process of reading Scripture that I probably should not have shared. Great confusion and condemnation of me. My bad. I work at a local Christian TV station. It is my everyday job to listen to these mostly popular Televangelists. Have done this job for over 11 years. Quick Study is a favorite. The rest....

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Understood...

I would differentiate between a sacrifice and murder... And I also find parts of Genesis confusing...Have always wondered about Jacob

In any case...Your post was thought provoking

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Have you found the religious section?

You might enjoy it...

Or not...

No offense...But I am not a fan of those who change their user names and cone back under new personas....

Seems a bit 'double minded'...

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

I had no choice.

Rose42

I don’t get why some are banned but others - the worst offenders - are allowed to stay. It looks like banning mostly affects the conservative view so that reveals who is complaining.

rumitoid

You, as usual, make a great point, but have you ever met someone that said, "God put it in my heart..."? It is usually a judge's gavel that discussion is ended: who wants to argue against God's directive? Those words are totally unfair and manipulative. Yet I hear them every Wednesday and Sunday from people as if this is a natural way to make decisions big or small.

Abraham should have discussed the issue with his wife. There should be verses about him praying to be certain God really wanted to take an innocent life when God should know everyone's heart. Why send such a test that violates the Commandments? If God is omniscient, such a test is ludicrous. For me, as I tried to make clear but apparently did not, the test for Abraham was not to sacrifice his son but to challenge God in his command.

"Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."
Matthew 10:37
This story of Abraham and his son may be an over dramatization to focus our attention to the extremely radical nature of our love for God. Yet it lacks humanity. The verse in Matthew10:37 is something no Christian I know or have known in 60 years believes in. Family is first for most. Then there is Darryl. He ruled over his family, not loved. Everything had to be biblical. Both of his daughters were later sent to psychological hospitals, and one later killed herself. Considering humanity is crucial.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

rumi,

I have no idea why you wrote this topic without engaging your mind...

The Ten Commandments weren't written and delivered to Moses until over 400 years after Abraham had lived, at a time his descendants were being delivered from 400 years of slavery in Egypt, en route to Canaan, their "promised land" which would become Israel.

They did not yet exist at the time about which you write, thus, you need to hang your hat of indignation upon some other impropriety which you believe the One True God committed.

As to your title: "The story of Abraham: is he someone we would admire today? Is his God the God we want?" - we have been given no choice.

We may worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, or we may choose an idol who is no god at all.

The Bible begins with the words, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth" (Genesis 1:1). Clearly, God the Father existed long before the universe's creation, holding the power and wisdom to create and design all things.

The Holy Spirit also existed from eternity past. Genesis 1:2 is the first mention of the Spirit: "the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters."

As God, the Holy Spirit is clearly eternal, existing from before the time of the universe's creation as well as from eternity past.

Jesus Christ also existed from eternity past as the second Person of the Triune God. John 1:1-3 teaches, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Colossians 1:16-17 affirms, "For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together."

Before He laid the foundations of the world, He already knew that man would sin and perish without His help. Therefore He already prepared a plan of salvation - a way for us to be reconciled with God through His son Jesus Christ our only Mediator and Intercessor.

He gave us a preview of this, His own YouTube, if you will, by providing His required sacrifice to Abraham Himself with the ram in the thicket.

All this you well know, do you not?

Me thinketh, ye do protest too much.

The profundity of your last garbled sentence/paragraph about Sodom and Gomorrah, Sarah and Lot leaves me speechless...

You're free to reexplain your entire premise, again, please!

Rose42

Why? What would it have added if he'd discussed it with his wife? Are you implying that Psalm 19 isn't correct? Have you not thought that this act of faith would serve as an example of great faith for all generations to follow? God knew what would happen yes of course. He also knew what would have the most impact and that's why its presented that way in the bible. A variation on the way it was presented in the bible would have diminished this act of faith.



Over dramatization? Do you not believe its true?

If you don't believe what Christ said in Matthew 10:37 then how can you say you have a "radical" love for God? The Christians I know put God first - not all the time because we are still at war with the flesh. Nabeel Qureshi was a muslim who became a Christian and he lost his family as a result. There are so many accounts like this.

I would ask how many Christians you know. And who is Darryl?