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The story of Abraham: is he someone we would admire today? Is his God the God we want?
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Aug 17, 2019 18:08:53   #
rumitoid
 
Kill your only child as a sacrifice to appease...the whole world you, as God, have in your hands? Seriously? Please all think about that. By the Ten Commandments killing an innocent is murder, punishable by death. God is ordering someone to kill an innocent, breaking a Commandment. Mysterious ways or BS? But God stops this infanticide. He is stunned by Abraham's compliance. That is not faith to God, that is fear. Where was his natural love for his son? Raging against such a terrible thing to ask. From this sick passage we get that religion was more important than life, following rules more important than people.

The dastardly things he did at Sodom and Gomorrah pale to his cowardly actions toward his son. Looking to save his own life, he asks God to relent if he can ten find righteous men. No luck. He leaves the city a wretched and debased person, Sarah a pillar of salt. Much like Trump was enlisted for "mysterious ways." Or basically evil.

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Aug 17, 2019 18:32:09   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
rumitoid wrote:
Kill your only child as a sacrifice to appease...the whole world you, as God, have in your hands? Seriously? Please all think about that. By the Ten Commandments killing an innocent is murder, punishable by death. God is ordering someone to kill an innocent, breaking a Commandment. Mysterious ways or BS? But God stops this infanticide. He is stunned by Abraham's compliance. That is not faith to God, that is fear. Where was his natural love for his son? Raging against such a terrible thing to ask. From this sick passage we get that religion was more important than life, following rules more important than people.

The dastardly things he did at Sodom and Gomorrah pale to his cowardly actions toward his son. Looking to save his own life, he asks God to relent if he can ten find righteous men. No luck. He leaves the city a wretched and debased person, Sarah a pillar of salt. Much like Trump was enlisted for "mysterious ways." Or basically evil.
Kill your only child as a sacrifice to appease...t... (show quote)




First of all..go back and read some, you are mixing story's and Abrahams wife wasn't turned into salt, Lots wife was, and her name isn't mentioned.

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Aug 17, 2019 18:34:13   #
rumitoid
 
byronglimish wrote:
First of all..go back and read some, you are mixing story's and Abrahams wife wasn't turned into salt, Lots wife was, and her name isn't mentioned.


Yes, thank you, realized the mistake after I posted. Any thought on the rest?

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Aug 17, 2019 18:55:45   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
rumitoid wrote:
Yes, thank you, realized the mistake after I posted. Any thought on the rest?


Yes, do you believe that we evolved or were created?

If your answer is the latter, you know the creator is in charge.

Isaac wasn't sacrificed, it was only a test of obedience.


I believe that the Creator will do anything he wishes and what I think about that means nothing.

Here's something that I have learned from your posts pertaining to the Lord of hosts...you are mad at God for some reason.

Your bitterness is from something you blame on God.

Am I right?

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Aug 17, 2019 20:28:09   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
rumitoid wrote:
Kill your only child as a sacrifice to appease...the whole world you, as God, have in your hands? Seriously? Please all think about that. By the Ten Commandments killing an innocent is murder, punishable by death. God is ordering someone to kill an innocent, breaking a Commandment. Mysterious ways or BS? But God stops this infanticide. He is stunned by Abraham's compliance. That is not faith to God, that is fear. Where was his natural love for his son? Raging against such a terrible thing to ask. From this sick passage we get that religion was more important than life, following rules more important than people.

The dastardly things he did at Sodom and Gomorrah pale to his cowardly actions toward his son. Looking to save his own life, he asks God to relent if he can ten find righteous men. No luck. He leaves the city a wretched and debased person, Sarah a pillar of salt. Much like Trump was enlisted for "mysterious ways." Or basically evil.
Kill your only child as a sacrifice to appease...t... (show quote)

Why don't you STFU and stop posting about things you know ABSOLUTELY nothing about.

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Aug 17, 2019 20:35:55   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
rumitoid wrote:
Kill your only child as a sacrifice to appease...the whole world you, as God, have in your hands? Seriously? Please all think about that. By the Ten Commandments killing an innocent is murder, punishable by death. God is ordering someone to kill an innocent, breaking a Commandment. Mysterious ways or BS? But God stops this infanticide. He is stunned by Abraham's compliance. That is not faith to God, that is fear. Where was his natural love for his son? Raging against such a terrible thing to ask. From this sick passage we get that religion was more important than life, following rules more important than people.

The dastardly things he did at Sodom and Gomorrah pale to his cowardly actions toward his son. Looking to save his own life, he asks God to relent if he can ten find righteous men. No luck. He leaves the city a wretched and debased person, Sarah a pillar of salt. Much like Trump was enlisted for "mysterious ways." Or basically evil.
Kill your only child as a sacrifice to appease...t... (show quote)


I have never looked at it that way...And disagree... It was not a test... It was God proving the righteousness of Abraham...His purity of belief... God most certainly was aware that Abraham would acquiesce to His request...

Why bring Trump into it?

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Aug 17, 2019 20:37:22   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Parky60 wrote:
Why don't you STFU and stop posting about things you know ABSOLUTELY nothing about.


For a new member that was rather presumptuous... Rumi is usually rather thoughtful with his biblical threads... This one was another meant to provoke thought no doubt....

Anathema to some

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Aug 17, 2019 20:38:06   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
byronglimish wrote:
Yes, do you believe that we evolved or were created?

If your answer is the latter, you know the creator is in charge.

Isaac wasn't sacrificed, it was only a test of obedience.


I believe that the Creator will do anything he wishes and what I think about that means nothing.

Here's something that I have learned from your posts pertaining to the Lord of hosts...you are mad at God for some reason.

Your bitterness is from something you blame on God.

Am I right?
Yes, do you believe that we evolved or were create... (show quote)


Mad at God?

Aren't we all?

To some extent at least...

Such is life

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Aug 17, 2019 20:42:46   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Mad at God?

Aren't we all?

To some extent at least...

Such is life


The maturity of faith is a uphill battle for some, but the more mature, the less resentment.

I will admit that sometimes events seem unfair, but honest recollection and calm assessment will show fairness in most circumstances.

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Aug 17, 2019 20:49:46   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
byronglimish wrote:
The maturity of faith is a uphill battle for some, but the more mature, the less resentment.

I will admit that sometimes events seem unfair, but honest recollection and calm assessment will show fairness in most circumstances.


Absolutely

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Aug 17, 2019 21:55:06   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
For a new member that was rather presumptuous... Rumi is usually rather thoughtful with his biblical threads... This one was another meant to provoke thought no doubt....

Anathema to some

No, he's a fool. Do you know what it means to be double-minded. He's a classic example.

A double-minded person is restless and confused in his thoughts, his actions, and his behavior. Such a person is always in conflict with himself. One torn by such inner conflict can never lean with confidence on God and His gracious promises. Correspondingly, the term unstable is analogous to a drunken man unable to walk a straight line, swaying one way, then another. He has no defined direction and as a result doesn’t get anywhere. Such a person is “unstable in all he does.”

Those who are double-minded do not have the faith spoken of in Hebrews 11:1, 3: “Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. . . . By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.” We cannot be both “certain” and doubting, as is the double-minded person. One part of his mind is sure of something, while the other part doubts. It brings to mind the “pushmi-pullyu” of the Dr. Doolittle stories, an animal with a head at either end of its body and which was constantly trying to walk in two directions at once. Such is the double-minded man.

And by the way, I've been here much longer than you know.

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Aug 18, 2019 07:04:21   #
Rose42
 
rumitoid wrote:
Kill your only child as a sacrifice to appease...the whole world you, as God, have in your hands? Seriously? Please all think about that. By the Ten Commandments killing an innocent is murder, punishable by death. God is ordering someone to kill an innocent, breaking a Commandment. Mysterious ways or BS? But God stops this infanticide. He is stunned by Abraham's compliance. That is not faith to God, that is fear. Where was his natural love for his son? Raging against such a terrible thing to ask. From this sick passage we get that religion was more important than life, following rules more important than people.

The dastardly things he did at Sodom and Gomorrah pale to his cowardly actions toward his son. Looking to save his own life, he asks God to relent if he can ten find righteous men. No luck. He leaves the city a wretched and debased person, Sarah a pillar of salt. Much like Trump was enlisted for "mysterious ways." Or basically evil.
Kill your only child as a sacrifice to appease...t... (show quote)


You need to do some serious reflection on what is driving you to say these things.

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Aug 18, 2019 08:20:38   #
Radiance3
 
rumitoid wrote:
Kill your only child as a sacrifice to appease...the whole world you, as God, have in your hands? Seriously? Please all think about that. By the Ten Commandments killing an innocent is murder, punishable by death. God is ordering someone to kill an innocent, breaking a Commandment. Mysterious ways or BS? But God stops this infanticide. He is stunned by Abraham's compliance. That is not faith to God, that is fear. Where was his natural love for his son? Raging against such a terrible thing to ask. From this sick passage we get that religion was more important than life, following rules more important than people.

The dastardly things he did at Sodom and Gomorrah pale to his cowardly actions toward his son. Looking to save his own life, he asks God to relent if he can ten find righteous men. No luck. He leaves the city a wretched and debased person, Sarah a pillar of salt. Much like Trump was enlisted for "mysterious ways." Or basically evil.
Kill your only child as a sacrifice to appease...t... (show quote)

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Rumi, I think you are so confused about the Holy Scriptures. That is why you are mad at God? So, who do you say is your God then?

God had tested the faith of Abraham. Remember, we discussed earlier about faith and works?
You could not do good works if you don’t have faith. What drives a person do good works because his faith in God urge him to do good works. And that was what Abraham did. God tested his faith. And Abraham complied even to the death of his son.

God loves us. That was why he saved Isaac upon knowing that Abraham’s faith was deep in God. By his work, Abraham has proven his faith to God.

And for Sodom and Gomorrah, it was supposed to be Lot, his wife, and two daughters saved. But Lot’s wife looked back. They were asked not to look back. But Lot’s wife did. God’s covenant with us is perpetual. But Lot’s wife did not have that. She was turned to salt which is a symbol of preservation of the covenant with God.
Salt is a preservative.

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Aug 18, 2019 10:33:10   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Rumi, I think you are so confused about the Holy Scriptures. That is why you are mad at God? So, who do you say is your God then?

God had tested the faith of Abraham. Remember, we discussed earlier about faith and works?
You could not do good works if you don’t have faith. What drives a person do good works because his faith in God urge him to do good works. And that was what Abraham did. God tested his faith. And Abraham complied even to the death of his son.

God loves us. That was why he saved Isaac upon knowing that Abraham’s faith was deep in God. By his work, Abraham has proven his faith to God.

And for Sodom and Gomorrah, it was supposed to be Lot, his wife, and two daughters saved. But Lot’s wife looked back. They were asked not to look back. But Lot’s wife did. God’s covenant with us is perpetual. But Lot’s wife did not have that. She was turned to salt which is a symbol of preservation of the covenant with God.
Salt is a preservative.
============ br Rumi, I think you are so confused ... (show quote)





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Aug 18, 2019 12:18:09   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
rumitoid wrote:
Kill your only child as a sacrifice to appease...the whole world you, as God, have in your hands? Seriously? Please all think about that. By the Ten Commandments killing an innocent is murder, punishable by death. God is ordering someone to kill an innocent, breaking a Commandment. Mysterious ways or BS? But God stops this infanticide. He is stunned by Abraham's compliance. That is not faith to God, that is fear. Where was his natural love for his son? Raging against such a terrible thing to ask. From this sick passage we get that religion was more important than life, following rules more important than people.

The dastardly things he did at Sodom and Gomorrah pale to his cowardly actions toward his son. Looking to save his own life, he asks God to relent if he can ten find righteous men. No luck. He leaves the city a wretched and debased person, Sarah a pillar of salt. Much like Trump was enlisted for "mysterious ways." Or basically evil.
Kill your only child as a sacrifice to appease...t... (show quote)


Rumi the request of God for Abraham to sacrifice Issac was also a foreshadowing of the Christ to come. Jesus was the sacrifice for all mankind. God provided the ram a male sheep to spare Issac, God provided an obedient son, Jesus, to save mankind.

Abraham and Jesus both obeyed God the Father. God knew what Abraham and Jesus would ultimately do. Adam and Eve lost Paradise and one day Paradise will be restored. Once again God and man will walk together in the garden. That's called the restoration of all things.

Sodom was destroyed for a reason. Travelers would stop in Sodom to rest and they would be assaulted and robbed. When they went to the judge they always ruled in the robber's favor and the traveler was often killed. Then the people of Sodom wanted to have sex with the angels visiting Lot. God was completely justified in destroying Sodom since they were only evil all the time. In the entire city, there wasn't even ten righteous, there probably wasn't even one except Lot.

God is always right and always just. You just need to decide what you believe once and for all time. Do you want to spend eternity in Paradise or the Lake of Fire? It's the only two options you have but you do have two options.

Before Jesus, God decided who was righteous, after Jesus you can only get to Heaven by accepting Jesus into your heart as your Saviour, even His Hebrew name Yeshuah means salvation. Just think Jesus was tortured and sacrificed for each and every one of us and you reject Him. That's why the Jews became the chosen people. Jesus was a Jew.

Bethlehem was where Jesus was born. It was also where the sheep for the Temple were raised for sacrifice so the Jews sins could be forgiven. Blood was required but God only sacrificed one person for the sins of the world, His Son. Because He knew He would be raised to life again.

Nothing is outside His control but Satan has a long leash but his day and his followers day is coming. God is allowing the wheat and tares to grow side by side and the same for the sheep and goats. Then at the appointed time, God will judge everyone. All our deeds and actions are written down where no one can alter or cook the books.

Maybe you should read Enoch. It's not in the Bible but it is mentioned and being read much more today. It explains things a lot better. Enoch and Daniel tell when Messiah will come. In seventy generations. That's why Jesus's genealogy is recorded in Matthew. That's why those begat's are so important. No one knows the number of their days so you better figure it out soon. Once you die your fate is sealed. Shalom!

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