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The story of Abraham: is he someone we would admire today? Is his God the God we want?
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Aug 18, 2019 16:20:17   #
rumitoid
 
byronglimish wrote:
Yes, do you believe that we evolved or were created?

If your answer is the latter, you know the creator is in charge.

Isaac wasn't sacrificed, it was only a test of obedience.


I believe that the Creator will do anything he wishes and what I think about that means nothing.

Here's something that I have learned from your posts pertaining to the Lord of hosts...you are mad at God for some reason.

Your bitterness is from something you blame on God.

Am I right?
Yes, do you believe that we evolved or were create... (show quote)


I have had many tragic events in my life, like losing my second child in a freak accident, but I never blamed God or got angry at him. My beloved sister dying at a young age in agony from cancer. I did not point a finger at the almighty.

Satan has this world. And whatever happens is God's will for righteousness and love, for us to grow in his spirit. It may seem harsh at times, even unfair, yet it is all for our eternal well-being.

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Aug 18, 2019 16:24:18   #
rumitoid
 
Parky60 wrote:
Why don't you STFU and stop posting about things you know ABSOLUTELY nothing about.


If you would listen to what I said instead of the voices in your head, you might find something of importance, one way or the other.

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Aug 18, 2019 16:35:36   #
rumitoid
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I have never looked at it that way...And disagree... It was not a test... It was God proving the righteousness of Abraham...His purity of belief... God most certainly was aware that Abraham would acquiesce to His request...

Why bring Trump into it?


Maybe. I am not saying I am right. I am simply offering something to consider, which is much larger in than scope than a focus on Abraham. Let me ask you this: why give us, his image and likeness, a Commandment not to kill an innocent, and order the death of an innocent? Abraham should have said, "Yo, God. I looked at our history. You gave Moses 10 Commandments. Telling me to break one and kill my son is acting against your Law. What's up?"

Trump comes in tow because the religious Right is selling out faith for power in aligning with the president. They want those social media warriors "of Satan" crushed. It is pure vengeance. Tired of explaning themselves and defending the faith.

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Aug 18, 2019 16:35:39   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
rumitoid wrote:
I have had many tragic events in my life, like losing my second child in a freak accident, but I never blamed God or got angry at him. My beloved sister dying at a young age in agony from cancer. I did not point a finger at the almighty.

Satan has this world. And whatever happens is God's will for righteousness and love, for us to grow in his spirit. It may seem harsh at times, even unfair, yet it is all for our eternal well-being.


I've had many grief's and heartbreaks but nothing like you. My sincere regrets for your hurts and pain. If they were saved you will see them again. David lost his son and didn't eat and prayed fervently for God to let him live. But after the child died David got up and returned to business. Maybe because he had so much blood on his hands he could handle death better than most. But God absolutely loved David, because he always sincerely repented for his sins and errors. Sin always has a price that must be paid. I learned that the hard way.

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Aug 18, 2019 16:38:43   #
rumitoid
 
Parky60 wrote:
No, he's a fool. Do you know what it means to be double-minded. He's a classic example.

A double-minded person is restless and confused in his thoughts, his actions, and his behavior. Such a person is always in conflict with himself. One torn by such inner conflict can never lean with confidence on God and His gracious promises. Correspondingly, the term unstable is analogous to a drunken man unable to walk a straight line, swaying one way, then another. He has no defined direction and as a result doesn’t get anywhere. Such a person is “unstable in all he does.”

Those who are double-minded do not have the faith spoken of in Hebrews 11:1, 3: “Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. . . . By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.” We cannot be both “certain” and doubting, as is the double-minded person. One part of his mind is sure of something, while the other part doubts. It brings to mind the “pushmi-pullyu” of the Dr. Doolittle stories, an animal with a head at either end of its body and which was constantly trying to walk in two directions at once. Such is the double-minded man.

And by the way, I've been here much longer than you know.
No, he's a fool. Do you know what it means to be d... (show quote)


Nice of you to analyze me without knowing me. Is there a fee?

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Aug 18, 2019 16:59:14   #
Radiance3
 
rumitoid wrote:
I have had many tragic events in my life, like losing my second child in a freak accident, but I never blamed God or got angry at him. My beloved sister dying at a young age in agony from cancer. I did not point a finger at the almighty.

Satan has this world. And whatever happens is God's will for righteousness and love, for us to grow in his spirit. It may seem harsh at times, even unfair, yet it is all for our eternal well-being.

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I think I will give you credit for that Rumi. Think that this world is filled with the powers of Satan. But we must focus only on the Lord who guides us in this journey until we reach our permanent destiny. While in this world, Satan's temptations are all over. But our faith in Him must be strong. The Holy Spirit is with us where ever we go. Always ask Him for help. God loves you.

Remember that president Trump cares and loves all Americans. That is his oath of office provided in the constitution. To guide and protect us. Don't be confused.

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Aug 18, 2019 17:04:55   #
rumitoid
 
Rose42 wrote:
You need to do some serious reflection on what is driving you to say these things.


Rose, I, lol, still like you a lot. You are square in what you speak, have a good level of fairness, can be very amusing, and have great faith. For me, to best know God and my place in his kingdom, I need to constantly question my beliefs and the Bible. This may be totally wrong: can you know that for certain?

For myself, as a father, I would not for a second consider sacrificing my daughter. So I am forced to delve deeply into these verses about Abraham: how could he kill his child? This brings me closer to understanding my own faith. That I find Abraham's acquiescence to God in the matter an abomination, not even a small wiggle of protest for his own flesh and blood by him, what should I learn from that? Am I weak of faith?

What I can see from this is that faith demands a whole different rules of understanding, that I am not to live by the way and means of the world in ANY matter. What I am forced to see by confronting the story of Abraham, is that the way of Christ is more radical than conventional wisdom and contrary to worldly values. Incomprehensible and abhorred by those not of Christ.

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Aug 18, 2019 17:08:29   #
rumitoid
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Rumi, I think you are so confused about the Holy Scriptures. That is why you are mad at God? So, who do you say is your God then?

God had tested the faith of Abraham. Remember, we discussed earlier about faith and works?
You could not do good works if you don’t have faith. What drives a person do good works because his faith in God urge him to do good works. And that was what Abraham did. God tested his faith. And Abraham complied even to the death of his son.

God loves us. That was why he saved Isaac upon knowing that Abraham’s faith was deep in God. By his work, Abraham has proven his faith to God.

And for Sodom and Gomorrah, it was supposed to be Lot, his wife, and two daughters saved. But Lot’s wife looked back. They were asked not to look back. But Lot’s wife did. God’s covenant with us is perpetual. But Lot’s wife did not have that. She was turned to salt which is a symbol of preservation of the covenant with God.
Salt is a preservative.
============ br Rumi, I think you are so confused ... (show quote)


I trust your word, Radiance. I will spend more time in prayer on what I said.

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Aug 18, 2019 17:15:26   #
rumitoid
 
Peewee wrote:
Rumi the request of God for Abraham to sacrifice Issac was also a foreshadowing of the Christ to come. Jesus was the sacrifice for all mankind. God provided the ram a male sheep to spare Issac, God provided an obedient son, Jesus, to save mankind.

Abraham and Jesus both obeyed God the Father. God knew what Abraham and Jesus would ultimately do. Adam and Eve lost Paradise and one day Paradise will be restored. Once again God and man will walk together in the garden. That's called the restoration of all things.

Sodom was destroyed for a reason. Travelers would stop in Sodom to rest and they would be assaulted and robbed. When they went to the judge they always ruled in the robber's favor and the traveler was often killed. Then the people of Sodom wanted to have sex with the angels visiting Lot. God was completely justified in destroying Sodom since they were only evil all the time. In the entire city, there wasn't even ten righteous, there probably wasn't even one except Lot.

God is always right and always just. You just need to decide what you believe once and for all time. Do you want to spend eternity in Paradise or the Lake of Fire? It's the only two options you have but you do have two options.

Before Jesus, God decided who was righteous, after Jesus you can only get to Heaven by accepting Jesus into your heart as your Saviour, even His Hebrew name Yeshuah means salvation. Just think Jesus was tortured and sacrificed for each and every one of us and you reject Him. That's why the Jews became the chosen people. Jesus was a Jew.

Bethlehem was where Jesus was born. It was also where the sheep for the Temple were raised for sacrifice so the Jews sins could be forgiven. Blood was required but God only sacrificed one person for the sins of the world, His Son. Because He knew He would be raised to life again.

Nothing is outside His control but Satan has a long leash but his day and his followers day is coming. God is allowing the wheat and tares to grow side by side and the same for the sheep and goats. Then at the appointed time, God will judge everyone. All our deeds and actions are written down where no one can alter or cook the books.

Maybe you should read Enoch. It's not in the Bible but it is mentioned and being read much more today. It explains things a lot better. Enoch and Daniel tell when Messiah will come. In seventy generations. That's why Jesus's genealogy is recorded in Matthew. That's why those begat's are so important. No one knows the number of their days so you better figure it out soon. Once you die your fate is sealed. Shalom!
Rumi the request of God for Abraham to sacrifice I... (show quote)


Thank you very much, that was a loving admonish and not a condemnation. I deeply appreciate the care and time you took to help my soul. I am not insisting I am right on what I have said but only that my questioning seems to have generated both some deeper insights into myself and the nature of God. Oh, and please feel free anytime to rebuke and educate me. You have a good heart.

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Aug 18, 2019 17:18:13   #
rumitoid
 
Peewee wrote:
I've had many grief's and heartbreaks but nothing like you. My sincere regrets for your hurts and pain. If they were saved you will see them again. David lost his son and didn't eat and prayed fervently for God to let him live. But after the child died David got up and returned to business. Maybe because he had so much blood on his hands he could handle death better than most. But God absolutely loved David, because he always sincerely repented for his sins and errors. Sin always has a price that must be paid. I learned that the hard way.
I've had many grief's and heartbreaks but nothing ... (show quote)


Thank you again. You are a good man. That a price must be paid I also learned the hard way.

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Aug 18, 2019 17:29:33   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
rumitoid wrote:
I have had many tragic events in my life, like losing my second child in a freak accident, but I never blamed God or got angry at him. My beloved sister dying at a young age in agony from cancer. I did not point a finger at the almighty.

Satan has this world. And whatever happens is God's will for righteousness and love, for us to grow in his spirit. It may seem harsh at times, even unfair, yet it is all for our eternal well-being.




I would like to convey my sympathetic feelings toward your pain.

Losing a child has to be the most horrible feeling ever.

I've had cancer twice, the first was the worst, and extremely painful.

I hope your sister can get some comfort.

Thanks for sharing.

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Aug 18, 2019 17:42:22   #
rumitoid
 
byronglimish wrote:
I would like to convey my sympathetic feelings toward your pain.

Losing a child has to be the most horrible feeling ever.

I've had cancer twice, the first was the worst, and extremely painful.

I hope your sister can get some comfort.

Thanks for sharing.


Thank you. Most kind. I guess I did not make it clear my younger sister died in agony from ovarian cancer. Sorry for your pain.

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Aug 18, 2019 17:49:45   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
rumitoid wrote:
Thank you. Most kind. I guess I did not make it clear my younger sister died in agony from ovarian cancer. Sorry for your pain.


Thanks rumi.

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Aug 18, 2019 18:08:59   #
rumitoid
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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I think I will give you credit for that Rumi. Think that this world is filled with the powers of Satan. But we must focus only on the Lord who guides us in this journey until we reach our permanent destiny. While in this world, Satan's temptations are all over. But our faith in Him must be strong. The Holy Spirit is with us where ever we go. Always ask Him for help. God loves you.

Remember that president Trump cares and loves all Americans. That is his oath of office provided in the constitution. To guide and protect us. Don't be confused.
========== br I think I will give you credit for t... (show quote)


Again, I concede to your wisdom. Thank you for being merciful and compassionate in your advice.

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Aug 18, 2019 18:55:36   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
rumitoid wrote:
Nice of you to analyze me without knowing me. Is there a fee?

All I have to do is read what you post.

I'm sorry if you thought I stepped on your toes. I meant to step on your heart and get your attention.

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