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Aug 23, 2019 23:13:08   #
Rose42
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Rose and Parky...

Great dialogue...

I truly enjoyed it...

I am not a huge fan of MacArthur, but I do think he is a good and decent man... And his knowledge of scripture is most excellent...

I find myself pondering the information you have both given... What an interesting conundrum... Thanks


I have searched many names and found them all to be heretics to some people. No exceptions so far.

Real heretics have false theology manifested in more than just one area. Most often it has to do with the doctrine of salvation. He has been rebuked for saying that by pastors but has been called a heretic by laymen mostly.

There is no one who has the bible 100% correct. I don’t buy into everything he or anyone else says. The most important doctrine is how to be saved and all the ‘heretics’ I found all teach the same thing.

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Aug 24, 2019 01:44:27   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Rose42 wrote:
I have searched many names and found them all to be heretics to some people. No exceptions so far.

Real heretics have false theology manifested in more than just one area. Most often it has to do with the doctrine of salvation. He has been rebuked for saying that by pastors but has been called a heretic by laymen mostly.

There is no one who has the bible 100% correct. I don’t buy into everything he or anyone else says. The most important doctrine is how to be saved and all the ‘heretics’ I found all teach the same thing.
I have searched many names and found them all to b... (show quote)


Heretic is a word that gets tossed around a lot... Kind of like racist or socialist...

We'll all find out in the end

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Aug 24, 2019 04:55:49   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
That will be a little late, don't you think, Canuckus?

If I had any doubt at all of my position with God, I'd be doing everything within my power to move heaven and earth on my behave NOW... Right Now!

---just an observation, my friend---


Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Heretic is a word that gets tossed around a lot... Kind of like racist or socialist...

We'll all find out in the end

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Aug 24, 2019 07:54:41   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Zemirah wrote:
That will be a little late, don't you think, Canuckus?

If I had any doubt at all of my position with God, I'd be doing everything within my power to move heaven and earth on my behave NOW... Right Now!

---just an observation, my friend---


Agreed...

Yet as I grow older (hopefully wiser) I am constantly surprised at what I find myself rethinking and relearning...

And confidence (pride) has always been one of my greater sins

Hopefully we all get it right

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Aug 24, 2019 08:18:51   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Zemirah wrote:
That will be a little late, don't you think, Canuckus?

If I had any doubt at all of my position with God, I'd be doing everything within my power to move heaven and earth on my behave NOW... Right Now!

---just an observation, my friend---

The only problem is there are far too many that think that they're good with the Lord and they aren't.

[Jesus said:] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.'" Matthew 7: 21-23 (NASB)

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Aug 24, 2019 08:53:48   #
Rose42
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Heretic is a word that gets tossed around a lot... Kind of like racist or socialist...

We'll all find out in the end


Yes thats how its often used.


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Aug 24, 2019 14:53:49   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Actually, there is a point at which those who have heard and believed are requested to assume the working out of their own Salvation, with fear and trembling, rather than to second guess and speculate upon the sincerity of belief among their already confessed brethren who profess Christ... and Him crucified.

We must work out the practical implications of our salvation because God Himself is working in our midst.

"You Philippians also know that at the first preaching of the gospel, when I left the province of Macedonia to spread the Good News, you were the only church to share with me; You gave me what I needed, and you received what I gave you" (Philippians 4:15).

To understand this text, we must take note of the context and of several facts brought out by the Greek text. In the flow of thought, these verses introduce the conclusion of an appeal for unity that began in 1:27 and runs through 2:18. “So then” (2:12) in Greek indicates a conclusion from what precedes. Also, all of the words used here are plurals in Greek.

Paul is not telling individual Christians to individually work out their personal salvation, as is often taught. Rather, he is appealing to the church, based on the example of humility seen in Jesus Christ, to work out the practical implications of their salvation in their relationships with one another. Because God Himself is at work in their midst as a church, they need to lay aside personal rights and humbly serve one another, putting others ahead of self. In so doing, they will stand out as lights in this dark, selfish world (2:15).

The Bible teaches that God is absolutely sovereign and yet we are responsible. The scale tilts mightily in the direction of God’s sovereignty, since He initiates, sustains, and brings His whole plan to completion; even so, we have a responsibility for an even bigger problem than the analysis of those Christians who have received Christ, and that is the not yet heard truth, the "good news," i.e., the beautiful gospel of Jesus Christ that is not being spread by thousands, - multitudes of Christians even, who are Biblically commanded to share it with all the world.

"Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation (πάσῃ τῇ κτίσει)" (Mark 16:15).

You can't call on unbelievers to work out their salvation; a salvation they don't have. The Philippians were Christians, and the fruit of their Christianity was that they were living in obedience. The mark of a true Christian is a life of obedience, recognizable by their humility, and self sacrificial generosity.

Jesus said, "If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15)

Our works are not decisive in our own salvation. They are, however, self-evidence of God's saving work in us.


Parky60 wrote:
The only problem is there are far too many that think that they're good with the Lord and they aren't.

[Jesus said:] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.'" Matthew 7: 21-23 (NASB)
The only problem is there are far too many that th... (show quote)

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Aug 24, 2019 18:21:52   #
Rose42
 
Parky60 wrote:
The only problem is there are far too many that think that they're good with the Lord and they aren't.

[Jesus said:] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.'" Matthew 7: 21-23 (NASB)
The only problem is there are far too many that th... (show quote)


He warned us multiple times. Its estimated that approximately 150,000 people die every day. Most won’t make it. A sobering thought. I was raised a Catholic and thought all was good. If it hadn’t been for the Spirit using people to slap me around a bit (figuratively) I’d still be lost.

When all is said and done only God knows our hearts.

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Aug 24, 2019 21:35:05   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Rose42 wrote:
He warned us multiple times. Its estimated that approximately 150,000 people die every day. Most won’t make it. A sobering thought. I was raised a Catholic and thought all was good. If it hadn’t been for the Spirit using people to slap me around a bit (figuratively) I’d still be lost.

When all is said and done only God knows our hearts.

I was raised Catholic also including 8 years parochial school and 4 years high school.

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Aug 24, 2019 22:02:51   #
Rose42
 
Parky60 wrote:
I was raised Catholic also including 8 years parochial school and 4 years high school.


12 years for me too. I have an aunt who is a Dominican nun and in high school I had some of her friends for teachers.

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Aug 25, 2019 07:06:11   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Rose42 wrote:
12 years for me too. I have an aunt who is a Dominican nun and in high school I had some of her friends for teachers.

Lucky you.

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Aug 25, 2019 07:18:43   #
Rose42
 
Parky60 wrote:
Lucky you.


I couldn’t get away with anything

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