lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

You should have b***hed Clinton/Obama out when they started it.. Wonder why no one did then?? Or why the dems tried for over a year now to deny a crisis situation present all along and refused funding until last week??
What say you on all that???

Seth

bahmer

Barack Obama's ICE Chief: Don't Blame Trump, ‘Cages’ For I******s Were Built By Obama Administration

By HANK BERRIEN
June 27, 2019
The man who was the Obama administration’s chief of removing i*****l i*******ts said on Wednesday that it was his boss, President Barack Obama, who had the idea of putting i*****l i*******t children in the “cages” that Democrats have used as a bludgeon against President Trump.

Thomas Homan, Obama’s executive associate director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement between May 2013 and January 2017, was responsible for “promoting public safety and national security by maintaining direct oversight of critical ICE programs and operations to identify, locate, arrest, detain and remove i*****l a***ns from the United States,” according to his LinkedIn profile. Since January 2017, he has served as Acting Director for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

He stated on Wednesday, “I’ve been to that facility, where they talk about cages. That facility was built under President Obama under (Homeland Security) Secretary Jeh Johnson. I was there because I was there when it was built,” according to The Washington Examiner.

Homan, speaking at the conference hosted by the Center for Immigration Studies, noted a Democratic chairman who asked a Trump official, “You still keeping kids in cages?” He snapped, “I would answer the question, ‘The kids are being housed in the same facility built under the Obama administration.’ If you want to call them cages, call them cages. But if the left wants to call them cages and the Democrats want to call them cages then they have to accept the fact that they were built and funded in FY 2015.”

Homan said that the Border Patrol facilities where i*****l i*******ts are detained “were not built to take care of children,” adding, “It’s chain link dividers that keeps children separate from unrelated adults. It’s about protecting children.”

In June 2017, as The Washington Examiner pointed out, Homan told a House Appropriations subcommittee:

It isn't the fault of law enforcement that people get separated. It's the fault of the perpetrator. If someone enters this country illegally and knows he's in the country illegally and is found to be in the country illegally and is ordered removed from the country and chooses to have a child in this country that's a U.S. citizen by virtue of birth, he put himself in that position, so ICE is not separating that family.

Unlike other agencies, we do this despite a constant deluge of biased attacks against ICE personnel by those who disagree with the laws we enforce. While I recognize that people have the right to protest laws they don't agree with I want to emphasize to the public and to the media and to this committee that ice officers don't write the laws. They enforce the laws …

We are all blessed to live in the greatest country on earth and I can't blame anybody who wants to live here… But we are also a country built on the foundation of the rule of law. Those who choose to enter this country illegally which is a crime, a federal crime, or to overstay their visa have knowingly chosen to break the law. Meanwhile, millions of people who have become permanent members of our society through our generous legal channels, they have shown their respect for the rule of law and for the American people.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

lot of words to say nothing but what you have echoed as instructed for years.. anything new??

Let us spend a moment and address "conservative morality" an oxymoron if ever we had one..


Morality among trump supports does not exist. the words are used in a calculated effort to gain a goal dictated by the orange con and his following Republicans..

What will they do with the base when they have no more wealth to be given to the richest 10% and his orangeness himself..

for that matter, how do you see the cost (real cost) of government being paid for? by the non-functioning middle class? the workers??

If row/wade is removed, what do you orange cult people plan to do with any extra babies? you oppose care for them. if the mother can not care for the little darlin, will you reuse the pens along the border?

If you manage to end the ACA, what will you do with those who can not afford meds like Insulin?

Revive those never existed FEMA camps..

Do you have any plan at all?

As always and forever, the right wingers/orange cult has wished to end everything and replace nothing..

never any plan for America, only demands to fully stop what you do not like..

No compromise, no settlement, no replacement only STOP, STOP, STOP..

find a plan and you will find many eager to work with you.

Rose42

Let's face it. Neither side has the moral high ground.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Mr, Radd...


do you and the cult followers know what morality is??

You seem to lock it in a closet along with Patriotism...

It sounds so good when you echo it, but you have no useful idea of what it means..

You think it is very important who is bringing the kids to the US, and it is not the parents,so no consideration of the health and safety of those children is needed.

I will give you a hint, we do not give a rat butt who brings the kids to our nation, we do care very much about how those kids are treated when they are in our country..

what I see is that the treatment fits the usual republican ideas. treat them as a business, give them the private contractors, rate of $700 plus per day and no access by the press or public. If on a few die then the job is good.

what would Jesus do???

You think you have the moral high ground, always claim that.. you do not even know what is going on, or you are as without morals as the devil himself..

To care for children is fundamental to every religion I can think of, but you do not care a whit..

damn the kids, keep the nation white..

I am as white as can be and not be albino... and I say, care for those kids darn it.

change the law and security later, but tend to those kids..

the orange festering slug started this surge of the problem, now da** take care of what you orange criminal started.. get something done.. do it now..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Yes, Rose, I do agree with you again...

Good morning. have a great day..

Rose42

And you as well.

Seth

The more your side of the political divide bellows, brays and panders, the more thousands of these folks will receive your "come one, come all" message and we'll soon have twenty, fifty, one hundred times the number of border jumpers to contend with, all on the taxpayer's hard-earned money.

And as a rule,the left only cares about people in the abstract -- "how can being seen to care work to our advantage in pushing agendas we need to be seen to embrace?"

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

we are going to have new laws indicated.. the forces behind these people are not going away, I would bet they intensify.

we (the liberals) do not give a come one come all message. We have long stressed border security and only now with the unsettling of our commitment do we have the numbers we have not seen for several years..

It will calm down.. after the e******n I will bet..

Common_Sense_Matters

That fence is ONLY to keep the wildlife from their food sources. Look how easy to climb that one portion is, FOR HUMANS, not so much for wildlife though. All that barren dirt on the side with the deer, all that vegetation on the other side. The deer looking longingly through the fence at the grass on the other side.

Of course it could all be a matter of perspective, the rest of the fence MAY be of the same design but the angle of the camera is not directly aimed at it. Perhaps that whole stretch in the photo may be just as easy to climb as the portion I mentioned, just the camera angle isn't direct enough to see that.

Smedley_buzkill

The Border Patrol, (you know, the professionals on scene who deal with it every day?) say that a Border Fence is essential in some places and useless in others. Is it your contention that you and your Democratic leaders are smarter than law enforcement professionals on the ground?

Smedley_buzkill

California and Oregon have declared themselves Sanctuary States. Just how does that fit in with your "border security " pipe dream? Democrats have declared that i*****l a***ns should receive free health care that US citizens and legal foreigners somehow don't seem to qualify for. A pregnant foreigner can come into this country shortly before giving birth, have her brat on US soil and has an instant anchor baby, and as such is eligible for all sorts of benefits, once more, that most US citizens cannot receive.
More than 100,000 border jumpers sneak into this country every month or so. Democrats refuse to fund Border Security and when it does get funded, Obama appointed judges in Mexifornia block the funds.
Tell me more about Liberal border security.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

You mean like legalizing the murder of newborn infants? Can't raise morality any higher than that, can you, Pete?

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

If you knew me, you’d know that I remain a hesitant and somewhat reluctant Trump supporter, and I watch him closely, half expecting at any time for him to be outed as the other side of a good-cop-bad-cop scenario. I am far from a “cult follower”, and, for the record, in my view, he is only nominally a Christian, and certainly does not measure up to the standards of a true Christian.




You are very wrong. I just understand there is a difference between the secular world, which is not of the kingdom of God or His Christ, and the world we live in.



No, you only care about it now that Trump is President and you and the left completely overlooked it under your immoral leader Obama. I’ll get to that in a moment...



Well, let’s ask Jesus what he would do. How about this:

“1"Most certainly, I tell you, one who doesn't enter by the door into the sheep fold, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.” John 10:1

Even Jesus addressed the fact that those who don’t enter through the door are thieves and robbers.

Again, where was your outrage when this was happening under Obama’s watch? Hypocrite.

When the situation was brought to Trump’s attention, he near immediately wrote an executive order to stop it.



I have addressed that your so-called morals are spotty at best and selectively imposed only on conservative politicians. Even the Bible recognizes that caring for one’s own takes priority over caring for others:

“But if anyone doesn't provide for his own, and especially his own household, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever.” 1 Tim. 5:8



Matter of fact, those kids are being tended to. Why are you l*****ts so resistant to putting up a wall that would deter parents from sending their kids illegally into the USA? Why are these children coming here, or being sent illegally if not to circumvent our laws? If your l*****t politicians had even bothered to come to the table to discuss things with Trump when they were given ample opportunity, perhaps your facade of sympathies would carry some substance. No, you l*****ts aren’t really interested in the kids, you are more like radical terrorists who would use children as a shield to protect you from facing the real issues: that your l*****t moronic politicians will stop at nothing short of t***sforming this country into a third world nightmare that nobody in their right mind would want to flock to in the first place.



Oh, still resorting to that f**e news?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-01/fact-check-did-obama-detain-90000-children-border

Fact Check: Did Obama Detain 90,000 Children At The Border?

Remember this?: “Caged Migrant Children Photo Goes V***l As Left Rages At Trump...Except It Happened Under Obama”

“That claim then morphed into outrage over the Trump administration separating 20% of minors who enter the country from their parents - around 2,000 kids, while ignoring the fact that the Obama administration was also separating children from their parents, while widespread abuse of detained migrants under previous administrations was reported by the ACLU and the University of Arizona.

“ One woman interviewed was detained for nearly a month in CADC while she was six months pregnant. She was shackled during t***sport to and from the facility. At the facility, she was denied monitoring or treatment for an ovarian cyst that posed a risk to herself and the fetus, and received no response to her requests for prenatal vitamins or extra padding for her bed.68 (Her case is described more fully in the box below.) Another woman interviewed was separated from her breastfeeding baby daughter, who was less than two months old, while she was detained in Eloy for two weeks. -University of Arizona”

and

“ Among those findings are that women did not receive adequate medical or mental health care,were often mixed together with women serving criminal sentences, and were often t***sferred from faraway states. In most cases, researchers found that women were separated from at least one child. -ACLUAZ.org

“Also overlooked is the fact that 80% of children entering the United States are separated from their parents when they're shoved across the border with a human trafficker, and that migrants can seek asylum in the United States through one of the several U.S. consulates in Mexico.”

“The previously silent left became suddenly outraged after President Trump's "zero tolerance" policy of enforcing existing i*********n l*w resulted in approximately 2,000 minors being separated from their parents. To end this, Trump signed Executive Order #13841 on June 25, ordering that detained families not be separated unless the parents pose a danger to the child, while the Trump administration pledged to reunite separated families.

The "Fact Check"

“Two days after Parscale's tweet, AP published the article "NOT REAL NEWS: Obama didn’t separate 90,000 migrant families," conflating the "separated families" narrative with the "children in cages" narrative - while pointing to a "conservative website" (which they don't link to) as the source of the claim.

“ "The claim, published on a conservative website, was repeated on social media throughout the week as President Donald Trump faced criticism over his administration’s “zero tolerance” immigration policy" -AP

“What website? Who said that? Parscale said detained, not separated.

“ The false claim appears to stem from a January 2016 Senate subcommittee report that investigated how the Department of Health and Human Services, under the Obama administration, placed thousands of unaccompanied children illegally entering the country.

“ The subcommittee report found that from October 2013 through 2015 the federal agency placed nearly 90,000 children with a sponsor, after they were detained at the border without a legal guardian. The majority of those sponsors, the report found, were a parent or legal guardian living in the country. -AP”

“Note how AP simply says that the 90,000 children were placed with a sponsor... Unfortunately, they're missing a giant link in the chain; the detention centers the kids are placed in first.

“Taking a look at the Senate subcommittee report AP references (page 8), since the thrust of the left's outrage over Trump's "Zero Tolerance" policy was originally poor migrant children being forced into cages...

“First, we have the 90,000 under Obama figure - but there's a footnote. Then the report notes that the majority of unaccompanied children over that two-year period were placed with a parent or a legal guardian.

“ Since the beginning of FY2014, HHS has placed almost 90,000 UACs [Unaccompanied Alien Child] with sponsors in the United States.(31) According to HHS, it places the majority of those UACs with the child’s parent or legal guardian.(32)

“Now let's look at that footnote (31) attached to the 90,000 figure - which directs us to an Office of Refugee Resettlement publication entitled: Unaccompanied Children Released to Sponsors by State.

“Navigating over to that document on page 2, we find section "A" which outlines "Cases in which a determination of UAC (Unaccompanied Alien Child) status has already been made."

“It's got a footnote too...

“ Asylum Offices will see evidence of these prior UAC determinations in A-files or in systems on the form I-213, Record of Deportable Alien; the Form 93 (the CBP UAC screening form0; the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) Initial Placement Form1.

“And what do we find under the ORR footnote "1"?

"After apprehending an individual and determining that he or she is a UAC, CBP or ICE t***sfers him or her to a facility run by the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR), which is part of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

“In other words – all of the unaccompanied minors detained under the Obama administration were locked up in the exact same facilities the Trump administration is using.

“Digging some more, we find a February, 2016 report from the Government Accountability Office entitled: Unaccompanied Children - HHS Can Take Further Actions To Monitor Their Care.

“In fiscal year 2014, nearly 57,500 children traveling without their parents or guardians (referred to as unaccompanied children) were apprehended by federal immigration officers and t***sferred to the care of the Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR). Most of these children were from Central America.
“So tens of thousands of unaccompanied minors were taken in by the Obama administration each year and placed in government facilities.”

“So to be clear – hundreds of thousands of migrant children whose parents sent them into the United States alone or with a human trafficker remained in Obama administration facilities for up to months at a time, before eventual release or repatriation.

“In fact, if one adds up just the unaccompanied minors taken into custody between 2008 - 2016 (here and here), nearly 300,000 children were placed in federal housing under Obama.

“And as Brad Parscale points out, no one cared.”

Its hard to even take you seriously when you just puppet information that is fed you by the MSM propaganda machine.

Where was your outrage when this was happening under Obama?

You only care now, obviously, because you l*****ts are using the children as political pawns...and that is truly repugnant.