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Jun 17, 2019 12:20:46   #
kemmer
 
4430 wrote:
Are you saying everyone is going to Heaven since you believe that is no Hell ?

“Heaven" is problematic. I totally discount hell, but no one has returned from the “other side" with a reliable report as to conditions obtaining there.

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Jun 17, 2019 12:32:14   #
MR Mister Loc: Washington DC
 
permafrost wrote:
While I get a lot of stuff in the email which shows no origin..

this came from a Quora post and the author is backed up by a religious scholar..

I do not know enough to post it, but sound a ring of t***h to me..

A study shows that most Orthodox Christians and Catholics v**e Democratic. How can a Christian v**e Democratic?

David Reynolds, studied at Nunawading High School
Answered Jun 6 · Upv**ed by Alberto Valenzuela, MA Religion, Loma Linda University (1987)

I think that this is going to be an unpalatable answer for you.

There is a fair degree of biblical evidence that people who v**e Republican are not actually Christians, and well might be the ones damned to Hell.

I know that’s a very confrontational thing to say, but let me see if I can justify it scripturally.

Jesus spoke often about the poor, and about how we treat them. He also spoke a number of times about the perils of being rich. Republicans are the antichrist of those two issues. If you want a government that reflects Christianity, these two things must be front and centre.

The two “Christian” platforms that Republicans cling to, are a******n and homosexuality. Jesus did not speak of these at all.

So we ignore what He did speak of, and place emphasis on something He never spoke of. A thinking person should ask why.

Now, to the salvation aspect. A born again Christian places their trust in a salvation based primarily on the texts of the “Romans Road”- “For all have sinned…”, “The wages of sin is death”, “If we confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus Christ…” Romans 3:23, 6:23, 10:9&10. etc. Effectively, I pray a prayer and “believe and repent” and I’m let off the hook.

It’s worth noting that these are letters written by a former pharisee named Paul who never met Jesus in the flesh, and these are letters to a church in Rome, not to us. But born again Christians will bank their eternal salvation on this.

However, Jesus gave his own salvation message. Out of His own mouth. There are a number, but these are my favourite three…with particular emphasis on the last:

Matt 19:24: “Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

Luke 16: 19–31. Lazarus and the rich man.

And may all time favourite. Matt 25: 31–46. The Parable of the Sheep and the Goats.

Two interesting things about this last one:

a) Jesus is very clear that if you don’t care for the poor (the least of these), you’re going to eternal punishment. It doesn’t seem to matter what prayer you prayed.

b) the “goats”, those who are going to Hell, are surprised, and are calling Him “Lord”. Therefore, they thought they were Christians, but were not. Think about it in the context of your question,

Finally, the logical follow up questions should be, “how did so many people get suckered?” And “why do evangelical churches place so much emphasis on letters to an ancient church by a former pharisee, while effectively ignoring the very words of Jesus…their actual founder?”

The only answer I can see is, that it’s an easier sell. Scripture warns us about charlatans like this, and that many will be deceived. It’s not just the salesman’s fault, the buyer needs to be responsible too. Read the words of Jesus again, and rethink your question.

I apologise for the very confrontational nature of this answer, and wish you well in your journey.
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Loma Linda University? From the land of the C****e left and fruits and nuts.
You speak blasphemy of the Lord's word and you will burn in hell, boy.

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Jun 17, 2019 12:36:44   #
MR Mister Loc: Washington DC
 
permafrost wrote:
While I get a lot of stuff in the email which shows no origin..

this came from a Quora post and the author is backed up by a religious scholar..

I do not know enough to post it, but sound a ring of t***h to me..

A study shows that most Orthodox Christians and Catholics v**e Democratic. How can a Christian v**e Democratic?

David Reynolds, studied at Nunawading High School
Answered Jun 6 · Upv**ed by Alberto Valenzuela, MA Religion, Loma Linda University (1987)

I think that this is going to be an unpalatable answer for you.

There is a fair degree of biblical evidence that people who v**e Republican are not actually Christians, and well might be the ones damned to Hell.

I know that’s a very confrontational thing to say, but let me see if I can justify it scripturally.

Jesus spoke often about the poor, and about how we treat them. He also spoke a number of times about the perils of being rich. Republicans are the antichrist of those two issues. If you want a government that reflects Christianity, these two things must be front and centre.

The two “Christian” platforms that Republicans cling to, are a******n and homosexuality. Jesus did not speak of these at all.

So we ignore what He did speak of, and place emphasis on something He never spoke of. A thinking person should ask why.

Now, to the salvation aspect. A born again Christian places their trust in a salvation based primarily on the texts of the “Romans Road”- “For all have sinned…”, “The wages of sin is death”, “If we confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus Christ…” Romans 3:23, 6:23, 10:9&10. etc. Effectively, I pray a prayer and “believe and repent” and I’m let off the hook.

It’s worth noting that these are letters written by a former pharisee named Paul who never met Jesus in the flesh, and these are letters to a church in Rome, not to us. But born again Christians will bank their eternal salvation on this.

However, Jesus gave his own salvation message. Out of His own mouth. There are a number, but these are my favourite three…with particular emphasis on the last:

Matt 19:24: “Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

Luke 16: 19–31. Lazarus and the rich man.

And may all time favourite. Matt 25: 31–46. The Parable of the Sheep and the Goats.

Two interesting things about this last one:

a) Jesus is very clear that if you don’t care for the poor (the least of these), you’re going to eternal punishment. It doesn’t seem to matter what prayer you prayed.

b) the “goats”, those who are going to Hell, are surprised, and are calling Him “Lord”. Therefore, they thought they were Christians, but were not. Think about it in the context of your question,

Finally, the logical follow up questions should be, “how did so many people get suckered?” And “why do evangelical churches place so much emphasis on letters to an ancient church by a former pharisee, while effectively ignoring the very words of Jesus…their actual founder?”

The only answer I can see is, that it’s an easier sell. Scripture warns us about charlatans like this, and that many will be deceived. It’s not just the salesman’s fault, the buyer needs to be responsible too. Read the words of Jesus again, and rethink your question.

I apologise for the very confrontational nature of this answer, and wish you well in your journey.
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The more I read your crap, the more I think you are Nancy Pelosi. Babel, and incoherent.
You can't even spell apologize correctly, lol. yeah Nancy.

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Jun 17, 2019 14:04:23   #
son of witless
 
kemmer wrote:
Ol' Leviticus said the same thing about eating shellfish and crustaceans (lobsters).


Immaterial. This thread is about Homosexuality and A******n. Permafrost declared that since Christ did not specifically address these two issues, that modern Christians do not have a leg to stand on, in being against the two. As I have pointed out, if Jesus did specifically break with Old Testament on these issues, it is safe to assume that he agreed with them.

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Jun 17, 2019 14:07:10   #
son of witless
 
kemmer wrote:
Ol' Leviticus said the same thing about eating shellfish and crustaceans (lobsters).

You might argue that modern Christians should then avoid Lobsters and Clams. I have to admit, that would be a serious dilemma for me.

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Jun 17, 2019 14:14:26   #
Rose42
 
kemmer wrote:
To condemn a child everlastlingly is something we would not accept from an earthly father, and there's no reason to supposed we should accept it from a heavenly one.


Yes there is. Christ spoke more of eternal punishment than He did about heaven. Its a warning that should be heeded not brushed aside

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Jun 17, 2019 14:14:41   #
Bcon
 
kemmer wrote:
Ol' Leviticus said the same thing about eating shellfish and crustaceans (lobsters).


So Leviticus was right most of the time. He probably had an allergy to shellfish. Many have. But, most people agree with his other dislikes.

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Jun 17, 2019 17:38:26   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Having seen putative Christians excuse the liar, rationalize the alleged p*******e, justify the sexual assaulter and cheer as walls are raised against the most vulnerable, it’s obvious that many of those who claim that name embody a cowardly, situational “faith.”

https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/faith-vs-jesus-example/


This is just another Christian bashing Opinion is this really true what this writer wrote or not I don't know ?

There are some that claim to be Christians that their actions speak other wise but true Christians don't do what this opinion claims !

Far too many God h**ers jump on the band wagon and will twist and turn what some one says to fit their agenda much like you are doing here with your post !

So why not post the actual story that brought about this post so we can look it over and see if there is any proof !

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Jun 19, 2019 11:31:12   #
mosteen12
 
It's apparent that you know very little about Christianity or conservatism. You believe that conservatives don't care about the poor. You're wrong. They very much do, but unlike l*****t, conservatives don't believe in giving people free everything because it equates to a temporary fix. Instead, they want to give them tools and oppertunities to generate things for themselves which has a more lasting effect and produces a stronger sense of self-worth. Conservatives care more about the poor because they want to help them break the oppressive chains of dependancy and live with a restored sense of self-worth. L*****t want to keep them in those chains as always dependant and always looking to others to meet their needs. May of your points are woefully misguided, ignorant, or flat-out wrong. It's usually not a good idea to have "deep thoughts" on topics you only have a cursory understanding of.

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Jun 19, 2019 11:34:20   #
mosteen12
 
One more note -- A******n is murder, so, yeah, Jesus did speak about that.

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Jun 19, 2019 11:42:44   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
mosteen12 wrote:
It's apparent that you know very little about Christianity or conservatism. You believe that conservatives don't care about the poor. You're wrong. They very much do, but unlike l*****t, conservatives don't believe in giving people free everything because it equates to a temporary fix. Instead, they want to give them tools and oppertunities to generate things for themselves which has a more lasting effect and produces a stronger sense of self-worth. Conservatives care more about the poor because they want to help them break the oppressive chains of dependancy and live with a restored sense of self-worth. L*****t want to keep them in those chains as always dependant and always looking to others to meet their needs. May of your points are woefully misguided, ignorant, or flat-out wrong. It's usually not a good idea to have "deep thoughts" on topics you only have a cursory understanding of.
It's apparent that you know very little about Chri... (show quote)


Now that is a pretty powerful statement and well said Excellent Post and Spot on !

Nothing makes a man feel good more than doing a job well done sure beats laying around doing nothing and getting paid to do nothing !

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Jun 19, 2019 13:57:44   #
Tug484
 
mosteen12 wrote:
It's apparent that you know very little about Christianity or conservatism. You believe that conservatives don't care about the poor. You're wrong. They very much do, but unlike l*****t, conservatives don't believe in giving people free everything because it equates to a temporary fix. Instead, they want to give them tools and oppertunities to generate things for themselves which has a more lasting effect and produces a stronger sense of self-worth. Conservatives care more about the poor because they want to help them break the oppressive chains of dependancy and live with a restored sense of self-worth. L*****t want to keep them in those chains as always dependant and always looking to others to meet their needs. May of your points are woefully misguided, ignorant, or flat-out wrong. It's usually not a good idea to have "deep thoughts" on topics you only have a cursory understanding of.
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Excellent post.

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Jul 12, 2019 19:33:09   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
All gone, never will know what was said..



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Jul 12, 2019 19:45:57   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
Ha ha ha,,,


I truly did not think my cut and paste was going to get the right wingers so defensive..

But as they h**e so much to have all their wishes shot to shreds, they huddle in a bunch and cry like girls..

Wow, the spout lies about caring while holding even cinnamon rolls in a locked tin can..

Truly a bunch of hatfull orange clowns.. clinging to the story mom told them to repeat endlessly..

who ever that guy was who I posted,, he sure has the rabble figured out.. to a T.

Well now that the giggles are over, let me tell in all t***h I hope for all of you exactly what you wish for the needy and oppressed..

HA HA... have good one ya all...
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We can't be worried about poor, and oppressed right now. We have an entire planet coming here that we need to care for. Oh! And the homos! We have to cater to them too!

Because we don't matter now, they do.

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Jul 12, 2019 20:04:09   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
archie bunker wrote:
We can't be worried about poor, and oppressed right now. We have an entire planet coming here that we need to care for. Oh! And the homos! We have to cater to them too!

Because we don't matter now, they do.


Damn it archie.. I did not post this.. pretty sure who did, but she left a while ago..

Maybe I should leave alone.. kind of harsh..

little late to delete..

I had dropped this couple weeks ago.. but a return post or several, were in the email few pages back..

had it on screen then left and came back to a eco article..

Well,,, what the heck,, not that bad I guess.. the meme ok..

But it frosts me that she would do that.. Or maybe I am losing it all and no ones fault but mine..

Now, hell water under the bridge..

I guess I own it.. normal post I guess.. but was not going to bother with a return post..

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