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Jun 17, 2019 10:15:29   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
The language of religious instruction was Hebrew. Damn near everyone spoke Aramaic. Most people in the Middle East spoke 2 or more languages, and there were several spoken in Ethiopia.


Aramaic and Hebrew are a related language.

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Jun 17, 2019 10:20:10   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
kemmer wrote:
Doubtful. Hell is a contradiction to who God is.


Actually, I don't read where hell fire is everlasting to the condemned, just the sentence is.


The punishable sins are clearly laid out in Scripture.

So I believe that you are correct, the final death will be mercifully everlasting.

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Jun 17, 2019 10:29:18   #
kemmer
 
byronglimish wrote:
Actually, I don't read where hell fire is everlasting to the condemned, just the sentence is.


The punishable sins are clearly laid out in Scripture.

So I believe that you are correct, the final death will be mercifully everlasting.

To condemn a child everlastlingly is something we would not accept from an earthly father, and there's no reason to supposed we should accept it from a heavenly one.

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Jun 17, 2019 10:37:04   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
kemmer wrote:
To condemn a child everlastlingly is something we would not accept from an earthly father, and there's no reason to supposed we should accept it from a heavenly one.

Absolutely! Such things are rightfully left to the mother to decide, before the little tyke even takes his/her first breath, right?

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Jun 17, 2019 10:44:22   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
kemmer wrote:
To condemn a child everlastlingly is something we would not accept from an earthly father, and there's no reason to supposed we should accept it from a heavenly one.


So you support the belief of Resurection of the dead, too ?

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Jun 17, 2019 10:46:16   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Absolutely! Such things are rightfully left to the mother to decide, before the little tyke even takes his/her first breath, right?


Exactly!...Legendary Larry.

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Jun 17, 2019 11:06:40   #
kemmer
 
byronglimish wrote:
So you support the belief of Resurection of the dead, too ?

That's problematic, if only on a semantic plain. I believe the dead immediately t***sition from flesh-and-blood life to life "on the other side" with no waiting period for a "resurrection" down the road.
Recent studies indicate human consciousness remains for another hour after all life processes stop.

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Jun 17, 2019 11:22:41   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
kemmer wrote:
That's problematic, if only on a semantic plain. I believe the dead immediately t***sition from flesh-and-blood life to life "on the other side" with no waiting period for a "resurrection" down the road.
Recent studies indicate human consciousness remains for another hour after all life processes stop.


So in the so called old Testament, it says ..man returns to the earth and the spirit returns to the Giver...not verbatim but that's the gist.

David prayed to the Giver of life, to not take his (the creators) Holy spirit from him.

If King David didn't want the gift of spirit/life taken, it would stand to reason that he knew that he would be resting with his clan of forefathers until being resurrected.

Be cause if he thought that he went strait to heaven to be with the Creator, what would be his objection to having the spirit taken?

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Jun 17, 2019 11:30:31   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
kemmer wrote:
...and Greek.


...and Latin, which was the official language of the Roman Empire.

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Jun 17, 2019 11:34:22   #
kemmer
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
...and Latin, which was the official language of the Roman Empire.

But nowhere near as widely spoke as Greek and Aramaic. After all, it was the language of the pagan occupiers.

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Jun 17, 2019 11:37:17   #
kemmer
 
byronglimish wrote:
So in the so called old Testament, it says ..man returns to the earth and the spirit returns to the Giver...not verbatim but that's the gist.

David prayed to the Giver of life, to not take his (the creators) Holy spirit from him.

If King David didn't want the gift of spirit/life taken, it would stand to reason that he knew that he would be resting with his clan of forefathers until being resurrected.

Be cause if he thought that he went strait to heaven to be with the Creator, what would be his objection to having the spirit taken?
So in the so called old Testament, it says ..man r... (show quote)

Resting in the ground as worm food awaiting having your number called sounds rather yucky despite what ancient literature says.

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Jun 17, 2019 11:44:35   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
kemmer wrote:
But nowhere near as widely spoke as Greek and Aramaic. After all, it was the language of the pagan occupiers.


Aramaic, at least.

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Jun 17, 2019 11:47:13   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
kemmer wrote:
Resting in the ground as worm food awaiting having your number called sounds rather yucky despite what ancient literature says.


"Where the worm dies not!"

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Jun 17, 2019 11:49:33   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
kemmer wrote:
That's problematic, if only on a semantic plain. I believe the dead immediately t***sition from flesh-and-blood life to life "on the other side" with no waiting period for a "resurrection" down the road.
Recent studies indicate human consciousness remains for another hour after all life processes stop.


Are you saying everyone is going to Heaven since you believe that is no Hell ?

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Jun 17, 2019 12:14:11   #
moldyoldy
 
Having seen putative Christians excuse the liar, rationalize the alleged p*******e, justify the sexual assaulter and cheer as walls are raised against the most vulnerable, it’s obvious that many of those who claim that name embody a cowardly, situational “faith.”

https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/faith-vs-jesus-example/

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