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Jun 16, 2019 14:27:31 #
rumitoid wrote:
It is artificial, that is the fundamental problem with it; an enforced brain detente with living. The word for that can be fear or suppression or dullness. Or maybe all three.
And if you are a Christian, moderation is a sin. Such an attitude is not up to you. You are to live by spirit and grace, not your own will and effort and understanding. The same is true of resisting temptation.
And if you are a Christian, moderation is a sin. Such an attitude is not up to you. You are to live by spirit and grace, not your own will and effort and understanding. The same is true of resisting temptation.
I believe there is some goodness to moderation. I moderately tolerate your holier than thou attitude. I moderately tolerate your abject ignorance also. Is that a sin?
Jun 16, 2019 15:06:50 #
Bcon wrote:
I believe there is some goodness to moderation. I moderately tolerate your holier than thou attitude. I moderately tolerate your abject ignorance also. Is that a sin?
"So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth." If you are a Christian, you should not tolerate either but respectfully rebuke me and educate in God's word; it is your duty. It is a good question as to whether or not your failure to help a brother is a sin.
Our love of God and neighbor does not come in moderation: ALL your heart, mind, soul, and strength.
As mentioned earlier, to attempt our own moderation is to ignore spirit and grace. For the Christian, moderation is a ploy of Satan.
Jun 16, 2019 21:57:44 #
rumitoid wrote:
It is artificial, that is the fundamental problem with it; an enforced brain detente with living. The word for that can be fear or suppression or dullness. Or maybe all three.
And if you are a Christian, moderation is a sin. Such an attitude is not up to you. You are to live by spirit and grace, not your own will and effort and understanding. The same is true of resisting temptation.
And if you are a Christian, moderation is a sin. Such an attitude is not up to you. You are to live by spirit and grace, not your own will and effort and understanding. The same is true of resisting temptation.
No. There is will involved. It is an act of will to resist temptation. It is an act of will to choose to yield to the Spirit.
Jun 16, 2019 22:03:28 #
rumitoid wrote:
"So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot no... (show quote)
I am sorry, but knowing that you are so bigoted about religion, I take everything you say and weigh it against t***h. Your idea of absolutism is very strict and I don’t believe even you live by it.
Jun 16, 2019 22:31:15 #
Rose42 wrote:
No. There is will involved. It is an act of will to resist temptation. It is an act of will to choose to yield to the Spirit.
The second is correct.
Jun 16, 2019 22:34:28 #
Bcon wrote:
I am sorry, but knowing that you are so bigoted about religion, I take everything you say and weigh it against t***h. Your idea of absolutism is very strict and I don’t believe even you live by it.
Fine, I am your only subject to talk about. Something of an honor. Why not take a little time to "weigh it against t***h," as I presented?
Jun 17, 2019 06:37:07 #
Jun 17, 2019 14:30:52 #
rumitoid wrote:
Fine, I am your only subject to talk about. Something of an honor. Why not take a little time to "weigh it against t***h," as I presented?
I don’t weigh in to what you present because of your bigotry to any other but your own beliefs. I was hoping that your kind of bigotry was a thing of the past, but with all the Jew h**ers andbecsuse of the peoplethat I have met who mirror your bigotry, I will pass. Thank you.
Jun 18, 2019 00:24:55 #
Rose42 wrote:
No. There is will involved. It is an act of will to resist temptation. It is an act of will to choose to yield to the Spirit.
Rose, sorry, you miss the point of will according to the New Covenant. Your will is not--not!--meant to resist temptation; that is a trap of Satan. To resist temptation is to think of the temptation, to look at it for why it is sin. Very dangerous and often cause for greater sin. Will is not meant for effort and intent, as in resisting temptation, but only for surrender, to be held and guided by spirit and grace. The two are opposites.
Jun 18, 2019 00:28:53 #
Bcon wrote:
I don’t weigh in to what you present because of your bigotry to any other but your own beliefs. I was hoping that your kind of bigotry was a thing of the past, but with all the Jew h**ers andbecsuse of the peoplethat I have met who mirror your bigotry, I will pass. Thank you.
Too funny, and really sad. Bigotry of my own beliefs? What of yours? And what is that non sequitur about "Jew h**ers ": where on earth did that come from?
Jun 18, 2019 06:22:51 #
rumitoid wrote:
Rose, sorry, you miss the point of will according to the New Covenant. Your will is not--not!--meant to resist temptation; that is a trap of Satan. To resist temptation is to think of the temptation, to look at it for why it is sin. Very dangerous and often cause for greater sin. Will is not meant for effort and intent, as in resisting temptation, but only for surrender, to be held and guided by spirit and grace. The two are opposites.
Its not a trap of satan. You have to choose to give in to temptation or not and be guided by the Spirit. That is will. You’re overthinking it.
Jun 18, 2019 08:51:33 #
rumitoid wrote:
Too funny, and really sad. Bigotry of my own beliefs? What of yours? And what is that non sequitur about "Jew h**ers ": where on earth did that come from?
I was not referring to you as a Jew h**er per se. I don’t know what your feelings are along that line. I was referring to many others that are even holocaust deniers. You have come across as intolerant of any but your own religion. I believe that people are free to worship or not according to what they choose to follow. There are many Protestant and RomanCatholic, Greek Catholic, Orthodox, and other forms of Christianity both under the pope and not. There are also many religions that are not Christian, but millions follow them. There are also aethiests that do not believe in any higher power. What a person believes in is a personal right and decision and the way you come across is as a know it all authority that looks down on any but your own group of followers. That, my friend, is what I refer to as bigotry.
Jun 18, 2019 19:59:41 #
Rose42 wrote:
Its not a trap of satan. You have to choose to give in to temptation or not and be guided by the Spirit. That is will. You’re overthinking it.
No, that is the problem, a fine distinction, for me as I understand it. The will is meant only for surrender, not resistance of any sort.
Jun 18, 2019 20:09:03 #
Bcon wrote:
I was not referring to you as a Jew h**er per se. ... (show quote)
If I came across as intolerant of other beliefs and religions, it was not my intent. If you expressed clearly what you believed, in detail, I am sure many would call you bigoted, as they would almost anyone who definitively defined their faith. Being seen as a bigot is inescapable with any expression or promotion of faith. I know what I believe--and that is far, far from knowing it all.
Jun 18, 2019 20:11:11 #
rumitoid wrote:
No, that is the problem, a fine distinction, for me as I understand it. The will is meant only for surrender, not resistance of any sort.
You're making a problem out of something that isn't. You have to make decisions. Every time we are faced with temptation we make a choice to give in or not. That involves our will.
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