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Jun 12, 2019 16:50:52   #
JoyV
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Nothing to be done about it. It isn't conservative views being banned, it is how extreme the views are, and how those views are being expressed that is initiating these bans, that and if one is choosing to push f**e news. Stay within the ToS of these sites and I will bet you won't get banned.


EXTREME! You mean extreme views like calling for attacks on those whose ideologies are not your own? This is acceptable on social media so long as it is for ideologies on the left. You mean like calling for destruction of Jews? This is also allowed. You mean like calling for cop k*****g? This is also allowed. Yet the comedy team of Diamond and Silk are too extreme because they support our president.

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Jun 12, 2019 17:02:16   #
JoyV
 
Rose42 wrote:
That is your opinion.

Their foot is already in the door. Its naive to think it isn't and that Google and other companies aren't working with the government. Of course they are. The internet evolved from Arpanet. Do you really think NSA doesn't have its fingers in it? They have their fingers in everything.

The Obama administration tried to protect net neutrality, the Trump administration nixed it.

The liberal company Google which owns Youtube doesn't like PragerU videos so they censor them. I don't normally watch their videos but have seen a few of the censored ones and saw no violation of terms. Yet they freely allow porn and absolute garbage do they not? Yes they do. It would be different if they were even handed but they aren't. PragerU is suing Google and more power to them.

Google was working on a search engine to censor content for China. I don't know if they're still working on it.

Liberals only give lip service to free speech anymore. I've no doubt conservatives would do the same if the situation were reversed. I don't pretend to know how to solve it but I do know that the public could pressure Facebook and Google to change their ways. Most people are ignorant of how they operate and the scale of their censorship.
That is your opinion. br br Their foot is already... (show quote)


What Obama's FCC did in 2015, imposed 1930s-era regulations (known as "Title II") on Internet service providers. These regulations made things worse by limiting investment in high-speed networks and slowing broadband deployment. Under Title II, broadband network investment dropped more than 5.6% Opens a New Window. -- the first time a decline has happened outside of a recession. The effect was particularly serious for smaller Internet service providers—fixed wireless companies, small-town cable operators, municipal broadband providers, electric cooperatives, and others—that don't have the resources or lawyers to navigate a thicket of complex rules. Removing these outdated and unnecessary regulations will create a strong incentive for companies to pour resources into building better online infrastructure across the country and bringing faster, better, and cheaper Internet access to more Americans.

So yes, Trump nixed it! Trump's FCC's Restoring Internet Freedom Order, took effect on June 11, 2018.

Under Trump the Federal Trade Commission will police and take action against Internet service providers for anticompetitive acts or unfair and deceptive practices. The FTC is the nation's premier consumer protection agency, and until the FCC stripped it of jurisdiction over Internet service providers in 2015, the FTC protected consumers consistently across the Internet economy.

And it added t***sparency. A critical part of Internet openness involves Internet service providers being t***sparent about their business practices. That's why the FCC has imposed enhanced t***sparency requirements. Internet service providers must publicly disclose information regarding their network management practices, performance, and commercial terms of service. These disclosures must be made via a publicly available, easily accessible company website or through the FCC's website. This will discourage harmful practices and help regulators target any problematic conduct.

These disclosures also support innovation, investment, and competition by ensuring that entrepreneurs and other small businesses have the technical information necessary to create and maintain online content, applications, services, and devices.

Internet Service Providers must clearly disclose their network management practices on their own web sites or with the FCC.
https://www.fcc.gov/isp-disclosures.

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Jun 12, 2019 17:04:26   #
JoyV
 
promilitary wrote:
Is there anything in this law addressing the professors who give bad grades to students
who exercise their free speech that happens to oppose his or her views? Trust me, it happens
all the time.


Good question! I've heard of some really outrageous examples.

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Jun 12, 2019 17:04:47   #
debeda
 
JoyV wrote:
Yup. I use to be on more than half a dozen conservative facebook groups, as well as several liberal facebook groups. ALL the conservative groups I was on have been shut down. NONE of the liberal groups have.


Sounds about right.

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Jun 12, 2019 17:05:37   #
debeda
 
JoyV wrote:
EXTREME! You mean extreme views like calling for attacks on those whose ideologies are not your own? This is acceptable on social media so long as it is for ideologies on the left. You mean like calling for destruction of Jews? This is also allowed. You mean like calling for cop k*****g? This is also allowed. Yet the comedy team of Diamond and Silk are too extreme because they support our president.



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Jun 12, 2019 17:19:30   #
JoyV
 
Morgan wrote:
You say it as fact, so please back it up for an across the board law for all public institutions.


https://www.aclu.org/other/speech-campus

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Jun 12, 2019 19:18:12   #
Morgan
 
JoyV wrote:
All the left wing news stories have it that it is the EPA under Pruitt who is withholding information. Under both Bush and Obama, the EPA policies allowed senior staff to delay FOIA production until they reviewed and approved of such disclosures. Trump has made a change and requires FOIA requests to be responded to within 3 business days. So IF Trump were behind Pruitt's withholding info, he is certainly working against that withholding.


Untrue. Not under Pruit, sounds like Trump doing more of his false blaming.

Less than a week after the inauguration, the Trump administration has already gagged employees at two federal agencies. Memos obtained by various media outlets show that scientists at the Environmental Protection Agency and Department of Agriculture are now blocked from communicating with the public and the press.

Scientists at the research division of the US Department of Agriculture are no longer allowed to communicate with the public about taxpayer-funded research.

http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/24/14372940/trump-gag-order-epa-environmental-protection-agency-health-agriculture

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Jun 12, 2019 19:35:02   #
Morgan
 
JoyV wrote:
https://www.aclu.org/other/speech-campus


This is more complicated then stated, as I thought, schools and states have different policies as far as free speech zones, some now implementing new policies as we speak.The subject of free-speech zones on campus remains a sore point. The zones started during the Vietnam War era, when universities needed a way to safely contain anti-war protests.

Some states and public universities are either eliminating free-speech zones or scaling back their use. North Carolina, Tennessee and Arizona recently passed laws that protect the rights of speakers of all viewpoints and restrict the use of free-speech zones.

Colleges try and steer clear inciteful speeches, in order to avoid conflict.

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Jun 12, 2019 21:53:16   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
JoyV wrote:
A president who jail reporters, tap the phones of journalists and their employers, subpoena their emails, send threats of prison to news outlets; is definitely in violation of the 1st amendment. No I'm not referring to Trump but to Obama. Nor was his attacks just aimed at Fox News. He also repeatedly attacked AP and NYT.

Trying to change a law through legal means, whether you agree with it or not, or whether the law itself is in violation; is NOT violating the 1st amendment. It is a legal recourse.

You might see a great similarity between Trump and Nixon, but I assure you those of us closely following Watergate at the time don't see it. Even in the most basic characteristics. Nixon was secretive. Trump is outspoken. Now if you say there is a similarity to Teddy Roosevelt, I'd strongly concur. Blustering, outspoken, politically incorrect, outwardly crude, America first, generous and quick to help others on a personal level, he unabashedly pounded his policies and theories into his fellow countrymen, a good negotiator, his Big Stick policy of diplomacy backed by military might.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/opinion/sunday/if-donald-trump-targets-journalists-thank-obama.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/05/20/shredding-the-constitution-obamas-attack-on-the-associated-press/?utm_term=.58f5b8616c4f
A president who jail reporters, tap the phones of ... (show quote)


The cases of which you speak, 7 in total, comes down to 2 that were NOT whistle blowers but merely individuals leaking classified information NOT related to any wrong doing, 2 carry overs from the previous bush administration which leave just 3 initiated during Obama's term that may have qualified as whistle blowing. There is also a difference between tapping a phone line and subpoenaing a phone's toll log, something that merely shows calls going in and/or out to/from what numbers the duration of the calls. Tapping a line let's you hear/record the conversation, toll logs don't. My research has yet to make clear what the extent of the last 3 cases were about or the final outcome of those investigations/court decisions were.

As for "Trying to change a law through legal means, whether you agree with it or not, or whether the law itself is in violation; is NOT violating the 1st amendment. It is a legal recourse.". it IS legal to alter/modify a law if one feels it needs altering/modifying, yes, just not ethical to do so for the reasons Trump had in mind, to make it easier to sue for libel when media reports the t***h about him. As it sits, he can't sue successfully for libel if what they report is the t***h, that has never sat well with him. He wants to be able to successfully sue whether or not what was said was the t***h, to discourage negative coverage. Something that I believe Nixon considered as well.

As for the similarities between Trump and Nixon, sure, the specifics are quite different, but otherwise many similarities, including what he thought of the media. There are differences of course, the fact that Trump is the one attacking the media and not Pence, as Nixon had Agnew speak out against the press all the while playing the "victim of the press" role himself. Nixon cried about his own "witch hunt" just as Trump is crying about his proclaimed "witch hunt", both have done their best to obstruct justice. How can you NOT see the similarities? That previous question is rhetorical, no need for you to answer, I know the answer already.

Yes, on several occasions Trump has openly done things of questionable legality, but just as often he has attempted to hide his corrupt actions. Whether he does something out in the open or behind closed doors is irrelevant, the action alone is relevant. As he stated during his campaign and it is becoming painfully obvious since "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose v**ers.". He was right, he could openly break the law and he won't lose his supporters. If he were to set out to prove what he said on the campaign trail and actually pick a random target in the middle of 5th Ave., that would be legal because he did it openly?

I do see some similarities between Trump and Roosevelt too. Blustering, yes, outspoken, yes, politically incorrect, definitely, outwardly crude, without a doubt, America first, obviously, "generous and quick to help others on a personal level", Roosevelt, yes, Trump, not so much. Most of Trump's policies are anti-individual but very much pro-corporate. I also wouldn't consider Trump a very good negotiator, I haven't seen him doing a very good job negotiating. Negotiations are about give and take, you try to give as little as possible while gaining as much as possible, but that only really works if you are open to some amount of compromise if needed. Trump tends to be fairly inflexible in negotiations, though he does seem more willing to give when dealing with hostile nations than when dealing domestically. The rest of the similarities you see between Roosevelt and Trump I see too.

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Jun 12, 2019 22:00:06   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
JoyV wrote:
Banning???? When someone violates the first amendment, their words or the medium through which their words are conveyed are NOT banned. If the NYT censors one side on an issue (such as the so called town hall held after the Parkland shootings), the recourse isn't to shut down the newspaper. That would be every bit as much of a violation of the 1st.

You need to reread the 1st amendment. To think applying the 1st is censorship is the absolute reverse of what the 1st is all about!


Going back to putting words into another's mouth again? Err... Fingers I should say. I am not FOR banning a site over first amendment issues. As I pointed out, sites aren't bound by the first amendment, only the government is. It would seem many conservatives on this site can't seem to grasp that concept.

It would seem you need to work on your reading comprehension.

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Jun 12, 2019 22:04:02   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
JoyV wrote:
NOT policing free speech. Supporting free speech. In other words, if someone claims their 1st amendment rights are being violated, just because it is on a site partially private but which receives government grants; the sites would no longer be able to claim they are private so don't have to abide by the 1st amendment. Any business getting government funding would have to abide by the same laws, even if they are online.


Moot point as the sites they are referring to don't get government funding.

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Jun 12, 2019 22:06:37   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
JoyV wrote:
EXTREME! You mean extreme views like calling for attacks on those whose ideologies are not your own? This is acceptable on social media so long as it is for ideologies on the left. You mean like calling for destruction of Jews? This is also allowed. You mean like calling for cop k*****g? This is also allowed. Yet the comedy team of Diamond and Silk are too extreme because they support our president.


Since I haven't seen any of which you are crying about, I can't speak on any of that. Perhaps I need to be more extreme and go looking for extreme content, nah, not a big fan of fringe crap, you go ahead and fringe away buddy.

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Jun 13, 2019 00:28:41   #
Abel
 
ACP45 wrote:
Congratulations to the Texas Governor!

"Texas Gov. Greg Abbott on Sunday signed a sweeping new law that aims to protect free speech on college campuses across the Lone Star state.

“Some colleges are banning free speech on college campuses,” the governor said in a video released on Twitter on Sunday as he signed the bill. “Well, no more. Because I am about to sign a law that protects free speech on college campuses in Texas.”

“Shouldn’t have to do it. First Amendment guarantees it,” he added. “Now, it’s law in Texas.” https://www.thecollegefix.com/texas-governor-signs-sweeping-new-law-protecting-free-speech-on-college-campuses/

Now, how do we deal with the issue of protecting "free speech on the internet", and eliminating the gestapo tactics and demonitization activities of Google, Facebook, Twitter, Apple, Pinterest, and Youtube?
Congratulations to the Texas Governor! br br &quo... (show quote)


Good for Texas! Now if they would just get serious about illegal migration we would all be better off.

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Jun 13, 2019 00:31:18   #
debeda
 
Abel wrote:
Good for Texas! Now if they would just get serious about illegal migration we would all be better off.



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Jun 13, 2019 20:21:23   #
JoyV
 
Morgan wrote:
This is more complicated then stated, as I thought, schools and states have different policies as far as free speech zones, some now implementing new policies as we speak.The subject of free-speech zones on campus remains a sore point. The zones started during the Vietnam War era, when universities needed a way to safely contain anti-war protests.

Some states and public universities are either eliminating free-speech zones or scaling back their use. North Carolina, Tennessee and Arizona recently passed laws that protect the rights of speakers of all viewpoints and restrict the use of free-speech zones.

Colleges try and steer clear inciteful speeches, in order to avoid conflict.
This is more complicated then stated, as I thought... (show quote)


Inciteful speeches?

You mean like Brown University shutting down The TV host and t*********r-rights activist Janet Mock from a speaking event after students protested, not because of the content of Mock's speech, but because pro-Israel group Hillel cosponsored the lecture?

You mean like the University of California at Berkeley's stand down order to campus police to allow students to disrupt a speech by the Chancellor of Berkeley? What was the inciteful topic? The value of higher education.

You mean like the University of Chicago shut down of the speech of the political analyst and human-rights advocate Bassem Eid who made comments that were seen as pro-Israel? (Bassem Eid is Palestinian by the way.)

You mean like Hampshire College revoking its request for the physician at Massachusetts General Hospital's to give a commencement speech? The incitefulness was that it did NOT mention t***sphobia or r****m but talked to all students as equals!!!

You mean like San Francisco University shutting down a speech by Nir Barkat? There was no complaint about the topic but only that he was the Mayor of Jerusalem.

You mean like Virginia Tech shutting down The Wall Street Journal (WSJ) columnist Jason Riley because he stands for all races being treated as equals? (He is black by the way.)

You mean like Williams College shutting down the speech of author of "Why men won't marry you." Suzanne Venker? Her incitement is that though she writes on women's issues as pro women and their strengths, she admits she is against the feminist movement.

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