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Jun 13, 2019 20:40:43   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
JoyV wrote:
Inciteful speeches?

You mean like Brown University shutting down The TV host and t*********r-rights activist Janet Mock from a speaking event after students protested, not because of the content of Mock's speech, but because pro-Israel group Hillel cosponsored the lecture?

You mean like the University of California at Berkeley's stand down order to campus police to allow students to disrupt a speech by the Chancellor of Berkeley? What was the inciteful topic? The value of higher education.

You mean like the University of Chicago shut down of the speech of the political analyst and human-rights advocate Bassem Eid who made comments that were seen as pro-Israel? (Bassem Eid is Palestinian by the way.)

You mean like Hampshire College revoking its request for the physician at Massachusetts General Hospital's to give a commencement speech? The incitefulness was that it did NOT mention t***sphobia or r****m but talked to all students as equals!!!

You mean like San Francisco University shutting down a speech by Nir Barkat? There was no complaint about the topic but only that he was the Mayor of Jerusalem.

You mean like Virginia Tech shutting down The Wall Street Journal (WSJ) columnist Jason Riley because he stands for all races being treated as equals? (He is black by the way.)

You mean like Williams College shutting down the speech of author of "Why men won't marry you." Suzanne Venker? Her incitement is that though she writes on women's issues as pro women and their strengths, she admits she is against the feminist movement.
Inciteful speeches? br br You mean like Brown U... (show quote)


The only freedom of speech that the "progressive" accept is that which bans all speech that is not in full agreement with the Marxist socialists on ALL issues.

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Jun 13, 2019 20:51:59   #
JoyV
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
The cases of which you speak, 7 in total, comes down to 2 that were NOT whistle blowers but merely individuals leaking classified information NOT related to any wrong doing, 2 carry overs from the previous bush administration which leave just 3 initiated during Obama's term that may have qualified as whistle blowing. There is also a difference between tapping a phone line and subpoenaing a phone's toll log, something that merely shows calls going in and/or out to/from what numbers the duration of the calls. Tapping a line let's you hear/record the conversation, toll logs don't. My research has yet to make clear what the extent of the last 3 cases were about or the final outcome of those investigations/court decisions were.

As for "Trying to change a law through legal means, whether you agree with it or not, or whether the law itself is in violation; is NOT violating the 1st amendment. It is a legal recourse.". it IS legal to alter/modify a law if one feels it needs altering/modifying, yes, just not ethical to do so for the reasons Trump had in mind, to make it easier to sue for libel when media reports the t***h about him. As it sits, he can't sue successfully for libel if what they report is the t***h, that has never sat well with him. He wants to be able to successfully sue whether or not what was said was the t***h, to discourage negative coverage. Something that I believe Nixon considered as well.

As for the similarities between Trump and Nixon, sure, the specifics are quite different, but otherwise many similarities, including what he thought of the media. There are differences of course, the fact that Trump is the one attacking the media and not Pence, as Nixon had Agnew speak out against the press all the while playing the "victim of the press" role himself. Nixon cried about his own "witch hunt" just as Trump is crying about his proclaimed "witch hunt", both have done their best to obstruct justice. How can you NOT see the similarities? That previous question is rhetorical, no need for you to answer, I know the answer already.

Yes, on several occasions Trump has openly done things of questionable legality, but just as often he has attempted to hide his corrupt actions. Whether he does something out in the open or behind closed doors is irrelevant, the action alone is relevant. As he stated during his campaign and it is becoming painfully obvious since "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose v**ers.". He was right, he could openly break the law and he won't lose his supporters. If he were to set out to prove what he said on the campaign trail and actually pick a random target in the middle of 5th Ave., that would be legal because he did it openly?

I do see some similarities between Trump and Roosevelt too. Blustering, yes, outspoken, yes, politically incorrect, definitely, outwardly crude, without a doubt, America first, obviously, "generous and quick to help others on a personal level", Roosevelt, yes, Trump, not so much. Most of Trump's policies are anti-individual but very much pro-corporate. I also wouldn't consider Trump a very good negotiator, I haven't seen him doing a very good job negotiating. Negotiations are about give and take, you try to give as little as possible while gaining as much as possible, but that only really works if you are open to some amount of compromise if needed. Trump tends to be fairly inflexible in negotiations, though he does seem more willing to give when dealing with hostile nations than when dealing domestically. The rest of the similarities you see between Roosevelt and Trump I see too.
The cases of which you speak, 7 in total, comes do... (show quote)


What Trump said regarding libel laws was, “I’m going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money." This is not actually trying to do away with libel laws. And in fact if saying such things is all he does, it can not even be considered an attempt to change the law.

If the similarity is both criticized the press, the list of who Trump is like would be very long indeed!!!!

What obstruction? If you had read the Mueller report you would find things like Trump praising Flynn under Mueller's section investigating possible obstruction. Nothing in Meuller's list was obstruction. So if you know more than the special counsel who had broad investigative powers, maybe you should have set Mueller straight.

So what has Trump done which is illegal? No I don't mean politically incorrect, but illegal. And saying you believe you could get away with a crime is NOT a crime!

There are others who HAVE seen Trump's generosity. The families of first responders who died doing their duty in NY are usually recipients of Trump's generosity on a one-by-one individual basis. The gists include money, college tuition paid for the kids of the fallen hero, letters of recommendations, or jobs to name the most common. There are other individuals who have been helped but not as a class such as families of first responders.

Successful negotiations of parties not already on the same side of an issue, are done behind closed doors. A media event might win more publicity points, but is best done AFTER the real negotiations are done in private. Unless you were present, the only way you could know whether or not a Trump is a good negotiator is to look at the results. Previous presidents made offers of appeasement to get agreements that the US would give and they would take. The antagonistic foreign power almost never backed down or even c*********d since at least Bill Clinton. So give some examples of good negotiations by Obama, Bush, or Clinton.

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Jun 13, 2019 21:02:06   #
JoyV
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Going back to putting words into another's mouth again? Err... Fingers I should say. I am not FOR banning a site over first amendment issues. As I pointed out, sites aren't bound by the first amendment, only the government is. It would seem many conservatives on this site can't seem to grasp that concept.

It would seem you need to work on your reading comprehension.


Your words "Trump being named specifically as one that is working towards bringing 1st amendment to the internet, something that can't really be done, nor should it be, as it would require some form threats of banning those sites," Let me emphasize the critical words, "SOME FORM OF THREATS OF BANNING THOSE SITES" So yes, you said banning!

If the site gets government funding, they are most certainly are bound by the 1st amendment!

Google, Facebook, Twitter, and others all are funded or partially funded by our government through taxpayers.

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Jun 13, 2019 21:28:18   #
debeda
 
JoyV wrote:
Inciteful speeches?

You mean like Brown University shutting down The TV host and t*********r-rights activist Janet Mock from a speaking event after students protested, not because of the content of Mock's speech, but because pro-Israel group Hillel cosponsored the lecture?

You mean like the University of California at Berkeley's stand down order to campus police to allow students to disrupt a speech by the Chancellor of Berkeley? What was the inciteful topic? The value of higher education.

You mean like the University of Chicago shut down of the speech of the political analyst and human-rights advocate Bassem Eid who made comments that were seen as pro-Israel? (Bassem Eid is Palestinian by the way.)

You mean like Hampshire College revoking its request for the physician at Massachusetts General Hospital's to give a commencement speech? The incitefulness was that it did NOT mention t***sphobia or r****m but talked to all students as equals!!!

You mean like San Francisco University shutting down a speech by Nir Barkat? There was no complaint about the topic but only that he was the Mayor of Jerusalem.

You mean like Virginia Tech shutting down The Wall Street Journal (WSJ) columnist Jason Riley because he stands for all races being treated as equals? (He is black by the way.)

You mean like Williams College shutting down the speech of author of "Why men won't marry you." Suzanne Venker? Her incitement is that though she writes on women's issues as pro women and their strengths, she admits she is against the feminist movement.
Inciteful speeches? br br You mean like Brown U... (show quote)


TERRIFIC post, JoyV

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Jun 13, 2019 21:28:47   #
debeda
 
no propaganda please wrote:
The only freedom of speech that the "progressive" accept is that which bans all speech that is not in full agreement with the Marxist socialists on ALL issues.


TRUE STORY, NPP

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Jun 13, 2019 21:45:09   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
JoyV wrote:
Your words "Trump being named specifically as one that is working towards bringing 1st amendment to the internet, something that can't really be done, nor should it be, as it would require some form threats of banning those sites," Let me emphasize the critical words, "SOME FORM OF THREATS OF BANNING THOSE SITES" So yes, you said banning!

If the site gets government funding, they are most certainly are bound by the 1st amendment!

Google, Facebook, Twitter, and others all are funded or partially funded by our government through taxpayers.

.
Your words "Trump being named specifically as... (show quote)


There is a difference between making clear what would be required and outright condoning an action. Something I would think any thinking person would know, I guess either I am wrong in that thinking or in thinking that you think.

As for your assertion that accepting subsidies in exchange for creating jobs, please provide the the facts that back your assertion. And again we see the hypocrisy of conservatives, they claim they want the government to stay out of their business but when it suits their fancy, they claim that government should poke their nose in where it doesn't belong.

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Jun 13, 2019 21:59:46   #
Rose42
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
There is a difference between making clear what would be required and outright condoning an action. Something I would think any thinking person would know, I guess either I am wrong in that thinking or in thinking that you think.

As for your assertion that accepting subsidies in exchange for creating jobs, please provide the the facts that back your assertion. And again we see the hypocrisy of conservatives, they claim they want the government to stay out of their business but when it suits their fancy, they claim that government should poke their nose in where it doesn't belong.
There is a difference between making clear what wo... (show quote)


Allow me to clue you in on something “thinking person”. Many people don’t adhere to all that is conservative or all that is liberal. You should know this since you claim to be a “centrist”.

No reason to be a pr1ck to JoyV because she has been civil to you.

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Jun 13, 2019 22:08:24   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
JoyV wrote:
What Trump said regarding libel laws was, “I’m going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money." This is not actually trying to do away with libel laws. And in fact if saying such things is all he does, it can not even be considered an attempt to change the law.

If the similarity is both criticized the press, the list of who Trump is like would be very long indeed!!!!

What obstruction? If you had read the Mueller report you would find things like Trump praising Flynn under Mueller's section investigating possible obstruction. Nothing in Meuller's list was obstruction. So if you know more than the special counsel who had broad investigative powers, maybe you should have set Mueller straight.

So what has Trump done which is illegal? No I don't mean politically incorrect, but illegal. And saying you believe you could get away with a crime is NOT a crime!

There are others who HAVE seen Trump's generosity. The families of first responders who died doing their duty in NY are usually recipients of Trump's generosity on a one-by-one individual basis. The gists include money, college tuition paid for the kids of the fallen hero, letters of recommendations, or jobs to name the most common. There are other individuals who have been helped but not as a class such as families of first responders.

Successful negotiations of parties not already on the same side of an issue, are done behind closed doors. A media event might win more publicity points, but is best done AFTER the real negotiations are done in private. Unless you were present, the only way you could know whether or not a Trump is a good negotiator is to look at the results. Previous presidents made offers of appeasement to get agreements that the US would give and they would take. The antagonistic foreign power almost never backed down or even c*********d since at least Bill Clinton. So give some examples of good negotiations by Obama, Bush, or Clinton.
What Trump said regarding libel laws was, “I’m goi... (show quote)


I see that you looked at the Mueller report with the same "ignore the facts" glasses that others here have read it with. Great job toeing that party line.

As for "So what has Trump done which is illegal? No I don't mean politically incorrect, but illegal. And saying you believe you could get away with a crime is NOT a crime!". I never once suggested that his saying he could commit a crime and not lose v**ers was a crime. Just another instance of you implying I have said something I clearly never did. I really wonder about your reading comprehension. As for your question, Since you haven't the reading comprehension to properly read the report, I don't suppose answering this question will be worth my effort.

As for "There are others who HAVE seen Trump's generosity.", I haven't found any evidence on a credible site and it seems way out of character for him so pardon me if I choose not to believe that claim without actual evidence from a reliable source. the closest I thought I might have been coming to evidence of his benevolence was https://www.insidephilanthropy.com/home/2015/9/29/a-quick-look-at-donald-trumps-philanthropy.html, but I refuse to sign up or donate or wh**ever the popup box was requiring just to read an article. It isn't a site that I expect to be visiting that frequently.

As for your final question, "So give some examples of good negotiations by Obama, Bush, or Clinton.", Your combative attitude, undying support of Trump and what seems to be a very bad Koolade addiction, I am sure you will have nothing good to say of any example I might present, again, why bother when I know you will only be stubborn and combative? Oh, and which Bush, there were two, though I think they were both better than Trump, even if they did have their flaws.

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Jun 13, 2019 22:13:20   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
Rose42 wrote:
Allow me to clue you in on something “thinking person”. Many people don’t adhere to all that is conservative or all that is liberal. You should know this since you claim to be a “centrist”.

No reason to be a pr1ck to JoyV because she has been civil to you.


You are right, deliberately taking my words out of context is the epitome of civility. That poster is ALWAYS combative towards anyone they disagree with and frequently either deliberately or through stupidity taking other people's words out of context. If they want civility, they should lead by example.

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Jun 13, 2019 22:23:22   #
Rose42
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
You are right, deliberately taking my words out of context is the epitome of civility. That poster is ALWAYS combative towards anyone they disagree with and frequently either deliberately or through stupidity taking other people's words out of context. If they want civility, they should lead by example.


You mean like you’ve done so many times? LOL And there you go with another one of your “stupid” comments.

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Jun 13, 2019 22:36:49   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
Rose42 wrote:
You mean like you’ve done so many times? LOL And there you go with another one of your “stupid” comments.


If one insists on taking things out of context, using stupid arguments that either have nothing to do with what has been discussed up to that point, stupid arguments that don't make sense or rely upon lies, rumors and conspiracy theory, of course I am going to consider that they are just plain stupid. That or just rewarding incivility with incivility.

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Jun 13, 2019 22:42:32   #
debeda
 
Rose42 wrote:
Allow me to clue you in on something “thinking person”. Many people don’t adhere to all that is conservative or all that is liberal. You should know this since you claim to be a “centrist”.

No reason to be a pr1ck to JoyV because she has been civil to you.


You tell him, Rose. And ditto from me

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Jun 14, 2019 22:35:43   #
JoyV
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
I see that you looked at the Mueller report with the same "ignore the facts" glasses that others here have read it with. Great job toeing that party line.

As for "So what has Trump done which is illegal? No I don't mean politically incorrect, but illegal. And saying you believe you could get away with a crime is NOT a crime!". I never once suggested that his saying he could commit a crime and not lose v**ers was a crime. Just another instance of you implying I have said something I clearly never did. I really wonder about your reading comprehension. As for your question, Since you haven't the reading comprehension to properly read the report, I don't suppose answering this question will be worth my effort.

As for "There are others who HAVE seen Trump's generosity.", I haven't found any evidence on a credible site and it seems way out of character for him so pardon me if I choose not to believe that claim without actual evidence from a reliable source. the closest I thought I might have been coming to evidence of his benevolence was https://www.insidephilanthropy.com/home/2015/9/29/a-quick-look-at-donald-trumps-philanthropy.html, but I refuse to sign up or donate or wh**ever the popup box was requiring just to read an article. It isn't a site that I expect to be visiting that frequently.

As for your final question, "So give some examples of good negotiations by Obama, Bush, or Clinton.", Your combative attitude, undying support of Trump and what seems to be a very bad Koolade addiction, I am sure you will have nothing good to say of any example I might present, again, why bother when I know you will only be stubborn and combative? Oh, and which Bush, there were two, though I think they were both better than Trump, even if they did have their flaws.
I see that you looked at the Mueller report with t... (show quote)


It shouldn't surprise me that you make assertions which when challenged you first redirect by saying you never made such assertions, saying my reading comprehension is at fault for reading and even directly quoting your assertions, and finally refusing to answer any reasonable rebuttal question by again asserting my reading comprehension would make answering the questions a waste of your time (paraphrased). And as it is YOU who have multiple times brought up the Mueller report as your documentation without actually quoting a single passage out of it, but rather saying my own reading of it is flawed (though at a previous time I quoted each point in the volume II of the Mueller report); back up where my understanding is flawed by providing quotes from the report of any illegal actions of President Trump.

Once you provide evidence of Trump crimes within or without the Mueller report, I will comment on each and back up my comments with the pertinent items in the Mueller report.

As for his generosity, I happened to know some of the first responders he aided. But here are a few of his acts of generosity.

*In 1986, Trump prevented the foreclosure of Annabell Hill’s family farm after her husband committed suicide. Trump personally phoned down to the auction to stop the sale of her home and offered the widow money. Trump decided to take action after he saw Hill’s pleas for help in news reports.

*In 1988, a commercial airline refused to fly Andrew Ten, a sick Orthodox Jewish child with a rare illness, across the country to get medical care because he had to travel with an elaborate life-support system. His grief stricken parents contacted Trump for help and he didn’t hesitate to send his own plane to take the child from Los Angeles to New York so he could get his treatment.

*In 1991, 200 Marines who served in Operation Desert Storm spent time at Camp Lejeune in North Carolina before they were scheduled to return home to their families. However, the Marines were told that a mistake had been made and an aircraft would not be able to take them home on their scheduled departure date. When Trump got wind of this, he sent his plane to make two trips from North Carolina to Miami to safely return the Gulf War Marines to their loved ones.

*In 1995, a motorist stopped to help Trump after the limo he was traveling in got a flat tire. Trump asked the Good Samaritan how he could repay him for his help. All the man asked for was a bouquet of flowers for his wife. A few weeks later Trump sent the flowers with a note that read: “We’ve paid off your mortgage.”

*In 1996, Trump filed a lawsuit against the city of Palm Beach, Florida accusing the town of discriminating against his Mar-a-Lago resort club because it allowed Jews and b****s. Abraham Foxman, who was the Anti-Defamation League Director at the time, said Trump “put the light on Palm Beach – not on the beauty and the glitter, but on its seamier side of discrimination.” Foxman also noted that Trump’s charge had a trickle-down effect because other clubs followed his lead and began admitting Jews and b****s. And yes, Trump's resort also benefited, as did other clubs and resorts after they eliminated their anti jew and black discrimination. That they benefited in no way undoes the reduction of discrimination!

*In 2000, Maury Povich featured a little girl named Megan who struggled with Brittle Bone Disease on his show and Trump happened to be watching. Trump said the little girl’s storyand positive attitude touched his heart. So he contacted Maury and gifted the little girl and her family with a very generous check.


*In 2008, after Jennifer Hudson’s family members were tragically murdered in Chicago, Trump put the Oscar-winning actress and her family up at his Windy City hotel for free. In addition to that, Trump’s security took extra measures to ensure Hudson and her family members were safe during such a difficult time.

*In 2013, New York bus driver Darnell Barton spotted a woman close to the edge of a bridge staring at traffic below as he drove by. He stopped the bus, got out and put his arm around the woman and saved her life byconvincing her to not jump. When Trump heard about this story, he sent the hero bus driver a check simply because he believed his good deed deserved to be rewarded.

*In 2014, Trump gave $25,000 to Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi after he spent seven months in a Mexican jail for accidentally crossing the US-Mexico border. President Barack Obama couldn’t even be bothered to make one phone call to assist with the United States Marine’s release; however, Trump opened his pocketbook to help this serviceman get back on his feet.

*In 2016, Melissa Consin Young attended a Trump rally and tearfully thanked Trump for changing her life. She said she proudly stood on stage with Trump as Miss Wisconsin USA in 2005. However, years later she found herself struggling with an incurable illness and during her darkest days she explained that she received a handwritten letter from Trump telling her she’s the “bravest woman, I know.” She said the opportunities that she got from Trump and his organizations ultimately provided her Mexican-American son with a full-ride to college.

*Lynne Patton, a black female executive for the Trump Organization, released a statement in 2016 defending her boss against accusations that he’s a r****t and a bigot. She tearfully revealed how she’s struggled with substance abuse and addiction for years. Instead of kicking her to the curb, she said the Trump Organization and his entire family loyally stood by her through “immensely difficult times.”

https://247sports.com/college/west-virginia/Board/103782/Contents/Trump-Acts-of-Kindness-71134918/

I also remember how decayed and dangerous many areas of NYC were like before Trump got involved with community improvement and restoration projects some of which he did free of charge or at cost. And even the "at cost" was always under budget.

Here are just a few.
https://nypost.com/2016/02/07/how-donald-trump-helped-save-new-york-city/

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Jun 14, 2019 22:41:05   #
JoyV
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
You are right, deliberately taking my words out of context is the epitome of civility. That poster is ALWAYS combative towards anyone they disagree with and frequently either deliberately or through stupidity taking other people's words out of context. If they want civility, they should lead by example.


So put wh**ever words you say I took out of context back in context. I have often had to do the same. To do so I quote my original statement, quote the other's response, and explain how it is out of context. If you prove your case I will offer a deep apology.

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Jun 14, 2019 23:34:36   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
JoyV wrote:
It shouldn't surprise me that you make assertions which when challenged you first redirect by saying you never made such assertions, saying my reading comprehension is at fault for reading and even directly quoting your assertions, and finally refusing to answer any reasonable rebuttal question by again asserting my reading comprehension would make answering the questions a waste of your time (paraphrased). And as it is YOU who have multiple times brought up the Mueller report as your documentation without actually quoting a single passage out of it, but rather saying my own reading of it is flawed (though at a previous time I quoted each point in the volume II of the Mueller report); back up where my understanding is flawed by providing quotes from the report of any illegal actions of President Trump.

Once you provide evidence of Trump crimes within or without the Mueller report, I will comment on each and back up my comments with the pertinent items in the Mueller report.

As for his generosity, I happened to know some of the first responders he aided. But here are a few of his acts of generosity.

*In 1986, Trump prevented the foreclosure of Annabell Hill’s family farm after her husband committed suicide. Trump personally phoned down to the auction to stop the sale of her home and offered the widow money. Trump decided to take action after he saw Hill’s pleas for help in news reports.

*In 1988, a commercial airline refused to fly Andrew Ten, a sick Orthodox Jewish child with a rare illness, across the country to get medical care because he had to travel with an elaborate life-support system. His grief stricken parents contacted Trump for help and he didn’t hesitate to send his own plane to take the child from Los Angeles to New York so he could get his treatment.

*In 1991, 200 Marines who served in Operation Desert Storm spent time at Camp Lejeune in North Carolina before they were scheduled to return home to their families. However, the Marines were told that a mistake had been made and an aircraft would not be able to take them home on their scheduled departure date. When Trump got wind of this, he sent his plane to make two trips from North Carolina to Miami to safely return the Gulf War Marines to their loved ones.

*In 1995, a motorist stopped to help Trump after the limo he was traveling in got a flat tire. Trump asked the Good Samaritan how he could repay him for his help. All the man asked for was a bouquet of flowers for his wife. A few weeks later Trump sent the flowers with a note that read: “We’ve paid off your mortgage.”

*In 1996, Trump filed a lawsuit against the city of Palm Beach, Florida accusing the town of discriminating against his Mar-a-Lago resort club because it allowed Jews and b****s. Abraham Foxman, who was the Anti-Defamation League Director at the time, said Trump “put the light on Palm Beach – not on the beauty and the glitter, but on its seamier side of discrimination.” Foxman also noted that Trump’s charge had a trickle-down effect because other clubs followed his lead and began admitting Jews and b****s. And yes, Trump's resort also benefited, as did other clubs and resorts after they eliminated their anti jew and black discrimination. That they benefited in no way undoes the reduction of discrimination!

*In 2000, Maury Povich featured a little girl named Megan who struggled with Brittle Bone Disease on his show and Trump happened to be watching. Trump said the little girl’s storyand positive attitude touched his heart. So he contacted Maury and gifted the little girl and her family with a very generous check.


*In 2008, after Jennifer Hudson’s family members were tragically murdered in Chicago, Trump put the Oscar-winning actress and her family up at his Windy City hotel for free. In addition to that, Trump’s security took extra measures to ensure Hudson and her family members were safe during such a difficult time.

*In 2013, New York bus driver Darnell Barton spotted a woman close to the edge of a bridge staring at traffic below as he drove by. He stopped the bus, got out and put his arm around the woman and saved her life byconvincing her to not jump. When Trump heard about this story, he sent the hero bus driver a check simply because he believed his good deed deserved to be rewarded.

*In 2014, Trump gave $25,000 to Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi after he spent seven months in a Mexican jail for accidentally crossing the US-Mexico border. President Barack Obama couldn’t even be bothered to make one phone call to assist with the United States Marine’s release; however, Trump opened his pocketbook to help this serviceman get back on his feet.

*In 2016, Melissa Consin Young attended a Trump rally and tearfully thanked Trump for changing her life. She said she proudly stood on stage with Trump as Miss Wisconsin USA in 2005. However, years later she found herself struggling with an incurable illness and during her darkest days she explained that she received a handwritten letter from Trump telling her she’s the “bravest woman, I know.” She said the opportunities that she got from Trump and his organizations ultimately provided her Mexican-American son with a full-ride to college.

*Lynne Patton, a black female executive for the Trump Organization, released a statement in 2016 defending her boss against accusations that he’s a r****t and a bigot. She tearfully revealed how she’s struggled with substance abuse and addiction for years. Instead of kicking her to the curb, she said the Trump Organization and his entire family loyally stood by her through “immensely difficult times.”

https://247sports.com/college/west-virginia/Board/103782/Contents/Trump-Acts-of-Kindness-71134918/

I also remember how decayed and dangerous many areas of NYC were like before Trump got involved with community improvement and restoration projects some of which he did free of charge or at cost. And even the "at cost" was always under budget.

Here are just a few.
https://nypost.com/2016/02/07/how-donald-trump-helped-save-new-york-city/
It shouldn't surprise me that you make assertions ... (show quote)


As you refuse to quit DELIBERATELY taking my words out of context the entirety of your response will be ignored as will all the rest of your posts to me/replies to me. I do understand why you do it, I just refuse to play this game with you. If you can't discuss things honestly, there is no point in a discussion. Proof of your attempted deception below.

I wrote:
Yes, on several occasions Trump has openly done things of questionable legality, but just as often he has attempted to hide his corrupt actions. Whether he does something out in the open or behind closed doors is irrelevant, the action alone is relevant. As he stated during his campaign and it is becoming painfully obvious since "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose v**ers.". He was right, he could openly break the law and he won't lose his supporters. If he were to set out to prove what he said on the campaign trail and actually pick a random target in the middle of 5th Ave., that would be legal because he did it openly?
Yes, on several occasions Trump has openly done th... (show quote)


To which your reply started of with:

JoyV wrote:
It shouldn't surprise me that you make assertions which when challenged you first redirect by saying you never made such assertions


In red is my pointing out what trump said that I in no way implied was illegal, in blue is my example that would be illegal but you and many other fools on OPP would consider legal.

As you choose to engage in dishonest discussion, I exercise my right to ignore you. Now should you choose to engage in HONEST discussion in the future, please do let me know, until then, we have nothing to discuss. Reply to my posts/post new messages to me all you like, just don't anticipate a response until you change your ways. Engaging in dishonest discourse is the tool that those without a valid argument choose to use in order to try to make the other look foolish. It only works on the weak minded with little to no actual reading comprehension. If it works with you and your friends, what do you think that says about you and those you befriend?

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