BigMike Loc: yerington nv

No. Why would anyone bother with that just for you? Who are you?

son of witless

I have decided to adapt the tactics of the left for this topic. That is why I worded my response as I did. Or as I affectionately like to call it the Big Bad Bob Way. Mueller did not find enough evidence to indict President Donald Full Time Jobs. Trump. A prosecutor either has the goods or he does not. The Suspect has a presumption of Innocence under our American System. Under a competent Special Prosecutor, if he or she does not find enough evidence to indict, they say so and that is it. Mueller IMPLIED that Trump is guilty. A competent impartial investigator does not do that.

son of witless

First I have to define it. I define it as the permanent or semi permanent employees of the Washington DC Bureaucracy. The careerists at all of the agencies. Some of them are not much of a problem. While all bureaucrats defend their jobs and budgets, I doubt that the peons at US Board on Geographic Names or the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation scare or threaten any Americans.

So who are the important Deep Staters ? Lets us start with the minor players. How about the VA ? Deep Staters there are mostly a threat to Veterans. The Cronyism, incompetence, and neglect of patients at the VA hospitals is legendary and has defied past Presidents trying to fix it. Obama did not make a dent in it. What about the deep staters at say the Department of Defense and the intelligence communities ? Again to use Obama as a victim President, some felt he could not close Guantanamo because of that deep state interference, and also he was pressured into the Afghan surge by the deep staters.

Just because I agree with what supposedly the deep state did in those cases, does not mean that it was okay.

Now lets us see what Deep Staters do when they actually like the current President and decide to help him. The Whole IRS attacks, during the Obama years on the Tea Party Patriots was about Bureaucrats choosing sides in politics. Deep Staters have immense power and are supposed to stay out of politics.

The whole Steele Dossier Affair which lead to the Mueller Probe is all about Deep Staters in the DOJ, FBI, and Intelligence Agencies choosing sides in an e******n and it's aftermath.

Not proof, but at least a defining of the Term Deep State, and some examples of their activities.

emarine

Trumps diversion to the deep state BS is sign of having no defense for his lack of t***sparency and obstruction into his past dealings with big foreign money... just who owns trumps ass could be a big problem for him as president …

Hug

The Civil Service is a big part of the problem. The Civil Service should be reviewed and reorganized to be made more responsible to the public.

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

trump has been quietly auditing federal agencies....wait a bit.

federally indicted mattoid

[quote=emarine]Trumps diversion to the deep state BS is sign of having no defense for his lack of t***sparency and obstruction into his past dealings with big foreign money... just who owns trumps ass could be a big problem for him...

Thank you emarine, thay is the point and these nutters are unaware that they are, by proxy, supporting Russian oligarchs and who knows who all else.

Fodaoson Loc: South Texas

Your definition of the “deep state” does not fit what potters and others call the deep state. Some deep staters(and posters) claim that the deep state forced a pope to resign and choose the present pope. Othe imply that George Sores si financier of the deep state’. Anything they oppose or any person they disagree with are “deep state”. It is a bogey man hiding under the bed

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

COMEY WAS A C****E?
No wonder he felt right at home with Brennan and Obama.
https://spectator.org/
In college, I was left of center,” explained James Comey in an interview with New York magazine, “and through a gradual process I found myself more comfortable with a lot of the ideas and approaches the Republicans were using.” Comey v**ed for Jimmy Carter in 1980, but says that four years later, in 1984, “I v**ed for Reagan — I’d moved from C*******t to wh**ever I am now. I’m not even sure how to characterize myself politically. Maybe at some point, I’ll have to figure it out.”
Comey was once a c*******t. And look deeper at his statement: “I’d moved from C*******t to wh**ever I am now. I’m not even sure how to characterize myself politically. Maybe at some point, I’ll have to figure it out.”
Which leaves us wondering if James Comey has yet figured it out.
Kudos to Tyler Durden of Zero Hedge for unearthing this gem from an interview Comey gave to New York magazine back in 2003 when he first arrived in Washington.
This odd blast from Comey’s past explains some things. While somewhat surprising, it actually makes sense, because James Comey is politically puzzling. You can’t quite figure him out, and apparently neither can he. He’s hard to pin down politically, to take seriously. He’s sort of a political-ideological enigma, a jester (clown seems too harsh). This weird c*******t statement is kind of instructive.
Granted, James Comey did full penance in 1984 by swinging all the way to the other side and v****g for Reagan. He was far from alone. I could rattle off names of individuals who were once c*******ts but by 1984 joined the rest of respectable America in v****g for Reagan. Sources as diverse of David Horowitz, Marvin Olasky, Ron Radosh, Joseph Farah, even Father Robert Sirico, among others, were far left but eventually became Reagan conservatives.
And yet, as Tyler Durden notes, the same can’t be said of John Brennan, the Obama CIA director who around this same time v**ed for the C*******t Party p**********l ticket of Gus Hall and Angela Davis and has remained on the left ever since. Brennan admitted publicly, in September 2016, that when he took his polygraph test for the CIA in 1980, he had already cast a b****t for Gus Hall as president of the United States. Hall was a stooge of the Kremlin, a shameless lackey for Moscow, and he was John Brennan’s choice. Remarkably, Brennan even suggested he had been a member of the C*******t Party. He recalled telling the polygrapher: “I said, ‘I’m not a member of the C*******t Party,’ so the polygrapher looked at me and said, ‘OK,’ and when I was finished with the polygraph and I left and said, ‘Well, I’m screwed.’”
Busted, right? Apparently not. Jimmy Carter’s CIA let him in, allowing him to rise one day to the heights of head of the agency under Barack Obama.
But the Brennan aspect sheds light on something still more troubling about this scenario. This means that President Barack Obama had not only the first CIA director who had been a c*******t but, simultaneously, the first FBI director who had been one. Leave it to Obama.
And worse, Barack Obama himself was probably a c*******t in 1980. I laid this out at length in my book on Obama’s mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, which was appropriately short-titled, The C*******t.
For that book, I interviewed Dr. John Drew, who met Obama at Occidental College, where Drew had run the campus Marxist organization. Drew’s girlfriend introduced the young Obama as “one of us.” Drew told me: “Obama was already an ardent Marxist when I met him in the fall of 1980. I know it’s incendiary to say this, but Obama was basically a Marxist-Leninist.”
You can read Dreams From My Father and catch Obama ruminating about how he “hung out” with Marxist professors and attended “socialist conferences.” John Drew hastens to add that what Obama did not explain in Dreams is that he “was in 100 percent, total agreement with these Marxist professors.” Drew continued:...

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Thanks for bringing up George Soros, Fodaoson
Here you can get updated on George.

10 Things You Didn't Know About "Giorgi" George Soros
https://youtu.be/tfBHYxEojZk

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

[quote=useful mattoid 45]

useful mattoid, you chose your mane well.
Now lets get you educated also on Russian Oligarchs.

Behind C*******m
Behind C*******m : Frank L Britton : Free Download & Streaming ...
https://archive.org/details/BehindC*******m_201502

To understand the total problem of C*******m it is necessary that we trace the course of the movement from it's beginning down to the present. We must understand who it's originators were, and what they were, and we must gain some idea as to the forces which influenced and shaped their philosophy.
Unfortunately, any deep-down discussion of C*******m and Marxism involves the Jewish question. We cannot honestly discuss the subject without revealing—
and commenting on— the fact that the founders of Russian C*******m were Jewish. Neither can we ignore the fact that all but a few of the top leadership of the American C*******m party— including the recently convicted spies— are of the same race. These are facts of history over which we have no control. But we are faced with the very serious problem of how to reveal these facts without being labeled— and treated— as "anti-Semites." ……

The NWO plan goes back to at least the late 1800's:
Top Illuminati Grand Wizard: “We Control Islam and We'll Use It to Destroy the West.” (WW3)
https://youtu.be/0dXD2H0m74g
(For the root of the planning, go to minute 6)

Inside this ''Illuminati Temple'' will shock you! (R$E)
https://youtu.be/uuT_4XElXOU

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

"The t***h is, Obama was as much a victim of the deep state as any other President." - lpnmajor
I no think so.
Obama has been well rewarded for his treachery, as well as those before him.

Obama was put in the White House with the help of the elitists (big money and their owned MSM)
He performed well for them, and the Deep State corruption was on full speed ahead.

The coming indictments will turn that around.

debeda

Huh
I see the deep state as having suborned our government, as described by Presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy. The Pope thing is globally fishy, cuz this Pope is so political and so radical. The mess in the EU also appears to be globally driven, seeking to destroy national identity and also flood the country with culture destroying immigrants. As well as the thing in South Africa, where the government confiscated the lands of white farmers.
If you look at all of this social unrest and chaos, the above being a few examples, it does appear to be driven by bad players. Interrupt food supplies in different regions, destroy national p***e and identity in most regions, and put many peoples/nations in situations they need to be "saved" from. If you dispassionately and thoroughly look for world news it almost looks like a breakdown of civilization. North and South Korea are a great microcosm of the difference between socialism/c*******m and a democracy/republic. The people of South Korea are happy, free to speak and free to pursue family and community success. The people of North Korea are none of those things, and live in fear of saying/doing the wrong thing. They are PC to the max.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Well covered, debeda.
It comes down to a war between Good and Evil.
Evil promotes chaos, and with that misery.

son of witless

The Deep State I believe was first coined as having to do with Turkey. As it applies to the US, I gave you my interpretation.