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May 27, 2019 20:05:53   #
Mollie
 
That was so well said. We need to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, our Heavenly Father and the Holy Spirit and that the Holy Spirit breath the love of God into each and every one of us. Now more than ever, we need to fight against evil and do the will of the Lord.

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May 27, 2019 20:17:34   #
eden
 
Mollie wrote:
That was so well said. We need to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, our Heavenly Father and the Holy Spirit and that the Holy Spirit breath the love of God into each and every one of us. Now more than ever, we need to fight against evil and do the will of the Lord.


Who decides what is evil?

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May 27, 2019 20:21:10   #
eden
 
Viet Nam Vet wrote:
First off let me say that God is the same as yesterday, today, and tomorrow. All of His laws are decreed in Heaven and cannot be changed except He will cease to be God if not so. That said, the commandments in the Old and New Testament are just as valid and important for us today as they were yesterday and will be just as valid and important tomorrow. God commanded Adam and Eve to go forth and Multiply and Replenish the earth when they dwelt in the Garden of Eden. He also gave them the commandment not to partake of the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If Adam and Eve partook of that fruit they would be cast out into the lone and dreary world. When Eve submitted to partaking of the forbidden fruit, after being tempted by Ludifer, that meant Eve would be cast out of the Garden of Eden and Adam would be a lone man in the Garden. Because of the commandment given to Adam and Eve to Go Forth and Multiply and Replenish the earth, Adam decided to partake of the forbidden fruit so he could remain with Eve. They both were cast out of the Garden of Eden. This is referred to as the "Fall of Adam."


Now to the a******n part. We are all literally Spirit Children of Our Heavenly Father. His Plan of Salvation is for us to come to earth, gain a body of flesh and bones, gain knowledge of good and evil, experience trials and tribulations, and prove ourselves worthy to return to Him to dwell with Him for time and all eternity. Forever. Heavenly Father sent His Only Begotten Son, His firstborn, even Jesus Christ, to be our Savior and Redeemer to save us from the Fall of Adam by overcoming spiritual and physical death because we are incapable of doing so ourselves. This Atonement and Redemption took place in the Garden of Gethsemane and on the Cross of Calvary. This is all part of the Plan of Salvation. Many of Heavenly Father's spirit children are waiting to come to earth to fulfill this Plan. When babies are aborted, Heavenly Father's Plan of Salvation is thwarted. In-other-words, it is slowed way down. He is not pleased with this. The Plan is not eliminated because all of Heavenly Father's desires will be completed. The time frame is just made to be different. So, who do you think does not want Heavenly Father's Plan of Salvation to be completed? Who is so angry with God, he will stop at nothing to destroy all that is good? You got it! Satan! That is why a******n is against the will of God! Those who have had a******ns or have thought about getting an a******n will not be condemned if they are willing to repent and take upon them the name of Jesus Christ. That is because of the redemption and the grace of a loving Savior who took upon Him our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane for us to overcome spiritual death. Jesus Christ is our advocate and intercessory with the Father. Christ pleads with the Father on our behalf. Therefore, the Laws of Justice and Mercy are fulfilled. We are so blessed!
First off let me say that God is the same as yeste... (show quote)



Next time you talk to God tell him I said hi.

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May 27, 2019 20:37:25   #
Mollie
 
I sure will. Maybe I'll even meet you there some day. Can't wait to see those pearly gates. Did you know that one gate is made out of one pearl?

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May 27, 2019 21:19:58   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
PaulPisces wrote:
I found this an interesting article (shared with me by a life-long friend who is now a retired Episcopal Bishop.) It is from October 2016, before the last e******n cycle, and I think some of its political commentary is no longer valid, but it seems to me to be an intelligent piece.

If one does not feel the need to use The Bible as a basis for a position on a******n, that is a different conversation.

But for people who do feel The Bible is the basis for restrictions on a******n, I am interested in thoughtful responses to this article, and to understanding what part of The Bible you feel supports your position on a******n, no matter what that position is.

I know there are many on OPP who are much more familiar with The Bible than I, so I hope any responses will help illuminate rather than just bash.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/godlessindixie/2016/10/23/what-does-the-bible-say-about-a******n/?fbclid=IwAR3Q7cpQ5xNT_4rMqXrUGohH5ME7nX_VGUmFjzJlYSsDVLyZNgcoh9QHw8U
I found this an interesting article (shared with m... (show quote)


Beto was asked about the ability to k**l an already born child after a botched abortiion. His answer was that we shoudl expect women to make the right decisions about their bodies.

Sorry Beto, but if the baby is born and is alive, it is no longer about mama's body!

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May 27, 2019 21:22:44   #
Rose42
 
eden wrote:
Who decides what is evil?


Who decided rape and murder are wrong? Where does that come from?

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May 27, 2019 21:30:36   #
Mollie
 
God

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May 27, 2019 22:00:00   #
Viet Nam Vet
 
Abide by the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States is all I am asking for. I want to worship as I see fit without persecution. I will give that honor to other religions.

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May 28, 2019 00:03:49   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Beto was asked about the ability to k**l an already born child after a botched abortiion. His answer was that we shoudl expect women to make the right decisions about their bodies.

Sorry Beto, but if the baby is born and is alive, it is no longer about mama's body!



I had no idea there is someone in The Bible named Beto!

Please do not hijack this thread with political commentary. I am genuinely interested in learning how The Bible informs people's stance on a******n.

It would help me if everyone sticks to the topic.

Thanks!

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May 28, 2019 02:23:33   #
Uoceph
 
A******n

This goes back to the worship of Molech (if you have the time to look it up) Molech was a statue with a hole in the belly where there was sa fire. The parents "passed their children through the fire" to ensure prosperity in their future. What difference is there between this and an abotion "for women who cannot afford financially" and are unprepared for a birth and support of a child. the Bible affirms LIFE in all its aspects. If women were as prepared to practice "safe sex" as they are to demand their "rights" neglecting the process of life, then they must be prepared to have a child - regardless.
Anyone (even a fool) cannot deny this logic and it should bot have to be a subject of debate or discussion.
I have dealt with e=women who have had a******ns (sometimes years after the event) and the psychological bonding that odors with a womb growing child often causers immense psychological damage in the future.
It is no wonder that the valley where Molech worship was performed was also called TOPHET (valley of the drums) for they had to beat drums very loudly to drown out the cries of the women (parents0 who realized what they were actually doing as the child was k**led.

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May 28, 2019 02:58:11   #
sisboombaa
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
What does the Binle say about a******n? Thou shalt not k**l!


Yeah, I've wondered about "thou shalt not k**l". K**l what, a person, an animal, an idea, a weed, insects, germs, someones ambition, enthusiasm? Just what does it include? Guess it depends on your religion, church, opinion, government, or wh**ever. Maybe it depends solely on your conscience. What if a person has no conscience? Oh how little we know. Yet we continue to argue.

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May 28, 2019 06:00:21   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Yes, my post does address Biblical doctrine pertaining to a******n.

Godless in Dixie is the website of a Christian apostate, and the article, "What Does the Bible Say About A******n?" is posted at the Patheos Nonreligious website. Not what I would call an objective, even t***hful, analysis. If this author is targeting the Bible, are we supposed to refrain from using the Bible in its own defense?

In fact, there is much even in the OT that attests to the value of human life, even in the womb.

1. The Bible teaches that human life is different from other types of life, because human beings are made in the very image of God.
2. The Bible teaches that children are a blessing.
3. The Bible teaches that the child in the womb is truly a human child, who even has a relationship with the Lord.
4. Scripture repeatedly condemns the k*****g of the innocent.
5. The Bible teaches that God is a God of justice.
6. Jesus Christ paid special attention to the poor, the despised, and those whom the rest of society considered insignificant.
7. Scripture teaches us to love.
8. The Bible teaches that life is victorious over death.

The Bible is far from silent on the topic of the sanctity of human life, especially preborn life in the womb.

Psalm 100:3; 139:13-16; 127:3
Isaiah 44:24; 64:8; 45:9-11; 43:25
Jeremiah 1:5
Galatians 1:15
Ephesians 1:3-4; 1:7
Luke 1:41, 44; 2:6-7
Exodus 20:1, 13; 4:11; 21:22-25
Deuteronomy 30:19; 24:16
1 Corinthians 1:27; 6:19-20
Yes, my post does address Biblical doctrine pertai... (show quote)



Amen and Amen!

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May 28, 2019 06:02:40   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
Viet Nam Vet wrote:
First off let me say that God is the same as yesterday, today, and tomorrow. All of His laws are decreed in Heaven and cannot be changed except He will cease to be God if not so. That said, the commandments in the Old and New Testament are just as valid and important for us today as they were yesterday and will be just as valid and important tomorrow. God commanded Adam and Eve to go forth and Multiply and Replenish the earth when they dwelt in the Garden of Eden. He also gave them the commandment not to partake of the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If Adam and Eve partook of that fruit they would be cast out into the lone and dreary world. When Eve submitted to partaking of the forbidden fruit, after being tempted by Ludifer, that meant Eve would be cast out of the Garden of Eden and Adam would be a lone man in the Garden. Because of the commandment given to Adam and Eve to Go Forth and Multiply and Replenish the earth, Adam decided to partake of the forbidden fruit so he could remain with Eve. They both were cast out of the Garden of Eden. This is referred to as the "Fall of Adam."


Now to the a******n part. We are all literally Spirit Children of Our Heavenly Father. His Plan of Salvation is for us to come to earth, gain a body of flesh and bones, gain knowledge of good and evil, experience trials and tribulations, and prove ourselves worthy to return to Him to dwell with Him for time and all eternity. Forever. Heavenly Father sent His Only Begotten Son, His firstborn, even Jesus Christ, to be our Savior and Redeemer to save us from the Fall of Adam by overcoming spiritual and physical death because we are incapable of doing so ourselves. This Atonement and Redemption took place in the Garden of Gethsemane and on the Cross of Calvary. This is all part of the Plan of Salvation. Many of Heavenly Father's spirit children are waiting to come to earth to fulfill this Plan. When babies are aborted, Heavenly Father's Plan of Salvation is thwarted. In-other-words, it is slowed way down. He is not pleased with this. The Plan is not eliminated because all of Heavenly Father's desires will be completed. The time frame is just made to be different. So, who do you think does not want Heavenly Father's Plan of Salvation to be completed? Who is so angry with God, he will stop at nothing to destroy all that is good? You got it! Satan! That is why a******n is against the will of God! Those who have had a******ns or have thought about getting an a******n will not be condemned if they are willing to repent and take upon them the name of Jesus Christ. That is because of the redemption and the grace of a loving Savior who took upon Him our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane for us to overcome spiritual death. Jesus Christ is our advocate and intercessory with the Father. Christ pleads with the Father on our behalf. Therefore, the Laws of Justice and Mercy are fulfilled. We are so blessed!
First off let me say that God is the same as yeste... (show quote)


Amen, Jesus paid it all!

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May 28, 2019 06:05:02   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
Mollie wrote:
I sure will. Maybe I'll even meet you there some day. Can't wait to see those pearly gates. Did you know that one gate is made out of one pearl?


Mollie, I saw that pearl gate in a dream right after my mom died. Oh, it was such a big pearly white pearl!
Can't wait to see my Savior, and my Lord!

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May 28, 2019 06:11:56   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
Uoceph wrote:
A******n

This goes back to the worship of Molech (if you have the time to look it up) Molech was a statue with a hole in the belly where there was sa fire. The parents "passed their children through the fire" to ensure prosperity in their future. What difference is there between this and an abotion "for women who cannot afford financially" and are unprepared for a birth and support of a child. the Bible affirms LIFE in all its aspects. If women were as prepared to practice "safe sex" as they are to demand their "rights" neglecting the process of life, then they must be prepared to have a child - regardless.
Anyone (even a fool) cannot deny this logic and it should bot have to be a subject of debate or discussion.
I have dealt with e=women who have had a******ns (sometimes years after the event) and the psychological bonding that odors with a womb growing child often causers immense psychological damage in the future.
It is no wonder that the valley where Molech worship was performed was also called TOPHET (valley of the drums) for they had to beat drums very loudly to drown out the cries of the women (parents0 who realized what they were actually doing as the child was k**led.
A******n br br This goes back to the worship of M... (show quote)


My daughter had an a******n over 30 years ago, she was at that time, not living for the Lord, in a backslidden state. She still regrets it to this day. She repented and is living for Jesus now, and she knows that one day she will be rejoined with her baby when she goes to heaven. It definitely will have an effect on your mind and heart, if you have one. Jesus said suffer the little children to come unto me! The Father is the creator of life, it is not our right to take it!

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