PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

I found this an interesting article (shared with me by a life-long friend who is now a retired Episcopal Bishop.) It is from October 2016, before the last e******n cycle, and I think some of its political commentary is no longer valid, but it seems to me to be an intelligent piece.

If one does not feel the need to use The Bible as a basis for a position on a******n, that is a different conversation.

But for people who do feel The Bible is the basis for restrictions on a******n, I am interested in thoughtful responses to this article, and to understanding what part of The Bible you feel supports your position on a******n, no matter what that position is.

I know there are many on OPP who are much more familiar with The Bible than I, so I hope any responses will help illuminate rather than just bash.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/godlessindixie/2016/10/23/what-does-the-bible-say-about-a******n/?fbclid=IwAR3Q7cpQ5xNT_4rMqXrUGohH5ME7nX_VGUmFjzJlYSsDVLyZNgcoh9QHw8U

Kevyn

This is a fascinating article and sheds light on the entire consrervitive movement.

eden

Interesting article. I have nothing to contribute as a non Christian except to opine that A******n is a horrible solution to a horrible problem but I am obliged to respect the woman’s right to choose in the final analysis if it comes down to making a law to ban it.
The Religious Right talk a big story about their
“Religious Freedom” and “Liberty” in general
but paradoxically want the courts, in the shape of the police to invade your privacy, home, doctors office and pharmacy in pursuit of punishment for your “crime”. As usual with such things as other popular chest beating campaigns like the “War on Crime” and the “War on Drugs” this law if enacted would disproportionately impact poor people and minorities while wealthy people will always have a discreet “solution” available across a border somewhere.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

This article is a highly biased political assault on Christians and President Trump. The critical flaw in this argument is that it is based entirely on Old Testament theology.

Moses established 633 laws--excluding the 10 Commandments; King David reduced them to 15; Isaiah reduced them to 11; Micah reduced them to just 3--To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
(Micah 6:8)

Jesus reduced them to just 2--Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.
(Matthew 22:36-40)

But he was wounded for our t***sgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
(Isaiah 52:3)

Think not that I come to abolish the law and the prophets, I come not to abolish but to fulfill.
(Matthew 5:17-20)

In other words, with His sacrifice on the cross and His resurrection, Jesus fulfilled the laws and the prophesies. Christians are not bound to the archaic laws in the OT.

zombinis3 Loc: Southwest

The article does have some intresting points. After reading the Roe v Wade bill, it also has some good points. Alot of the requirements passed by a******n bills are already covered by Roe v Wade. Example the requirement for the clinics to be associated to an hospital is in there. And again the bill also caused the procedures to become more professional less of a danger to women. I have always thought that a informed decision is always the better one , informed consent is also mentioned in the bill. If the argument made to stop a******n is based on sanctity of life. There is a problem , there are about 10 passages in the bible that state God isn't as pro life as some people want to believe. It depends on how the t***slation is made these are both just a summary ,
A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25). I have seen at least 2 version of this the king James and the New International. Like everything else it takes you as the person who is learning on how you understand it.
This one is done because of a forbidden action.
For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44:7-8).

Both of these are part of the lesson being taught you have to read the full lesson to understand.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Your post, while not an unusual response coming from a conservative religious, does nothing to support any stance on a******n, one way or the other, based on Biblical doctrine.
Your comments more properly belong, in my opinion, in a thread concerning other parts aspects of Christian theology.

Carol Kelly

What does the Binle say about a******n? Thou shalt not k**l!

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Did you read the entire article?

eden

It also admonishes about “spilling your seed on the ground” .....good luck enforcing that one.

Imagine all those little swimmers perishing...
(Sounds like a mass k*****g... right?)

eden

What is a “Binle”?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Yes, my post does address Biblical doctrine pertaining to a******n.

Godless in Dixie is the website of a Christian apostate, and the article, "What Does the Bible Say About A******n?" is posted at the Patheos Nonreligious website. Not what I would call an objective, even t***hful, analysis. If this author is targeting the Bible, are we supposed to refrain from using the Bible in its own defense?

In fact, there is much even in the OT that attests to the value of human life, even in the womb.

1. The Bible teaches that human life is different from other types of life, because human beings are made in the very image of God.
2. The Bible teaches that children are a blessing.
3. The Bible teaches that the child in the womb is truly a human child, who even has a relationship with the Lord.
4. Scripture repeatedly condemns the k*****g of the innocent.
5. The Bible teaches that God is a God of justice.
6. Jesus Christ paid special attention to the poor, the despised, and those whom the rest of society considered insignificant.
7. Scripture teaches us to love.
8. The Bible teaches that life is victorious over death.

The Bible is far from silent on the topic of the sanctity of human life, especially preborn life in the womb.

Psalm 100:3; 139:13-16; 127:3
Isaiah 44:24; 64:8; 45:9-11; 43:25
Jeremiah 1:5
Galatians 1:15
Ephesians 1:3-4; 1:7
Luke 1:41, 44; 2:6-7
Exodus 20:1, 13; 4:11; 21:22-25
Deuteronomy 30:19; 24:16
1 Corinthians 1:27; 6:19-20

America 1 Loc: South Miami

Pope: A******n Never OK, Equates It to 'Hiring a Hitman'
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/pope-a******n/2019/05/25/id/917564/?ns_mail_uid=bc415d70-d6e1-4e8c-9a10-26a8118a4c94&ns_mail_job=DM30658_05262019&s=acs&dkt_nbr=01050249wkts

Carol Kelly

Sorry. Typo and, of course, you knew that. Thanks for pointng that out. We should ALL proofread.

Viet Nam Vet

First off let me say that God is the same as yesterday, today, and tomorrow. All of His laws are decreed in Heaven and cannot be changed except He will cease to be God if not so. That said, the commandments in the Old and New Testament are just as valid and important for us today as they were yesterday and will be just as valid and important tomorrow. God commanded Adam and Eve to go forth and Multiply and Replenish the earth when they dwelt in the Garden of Eden. He also gave them the commandment not to partake of the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If Adam and Eve partook of that fruit they would be cast out into the lone and dreary world. When Eve submitted to partaking of the forbidden fruit, after being tempted by Ludifer, that meant Eve would be cast out of the Garden of Eden and Adam would be a lone man in the Garden. Because of the commandment given to Adam and Eve to Go Forth and Multiply and Replenish the earth, Adam decided to partake of the forbidden fruit so he could remain with Eve. They both were cast out of the Garden of Eden. This is referred to as the "Fall of Adam."


Now to the a******n part. We are all literally Spirit Children of Our Heavenly Father. His Plan of Salvation is for us to come to earth, gain a body of flesh and bones, gain knowledge of good and evil, experience trials and tribulations, and prove ourselves worthy to return to Him to dwell with Him for time and all eternity. Forever. Heavenly Father sent His Only Begotten Son, His firstborn, even Jesus Christ, to be our Savior and Redeemer to save us from the Fall of Adam by overcoming spiritual and physical death because we are incapable of doing so ourselves. This Atonement and Redemption took place in the Garden of Gethsemane and on the Cross of Calvary. This is all part of the Plan of Salvation. Many of Heavenly Father's spirit children are waiting to come to earth to fulfill this Plan. When babies are aborted, Heavenly Father's Plan of Salvation is thwarted. In-other-words, it is slowed way down. He is not pleased with this. The Plan is not eliminated because all of Heavenly Father's desires will be completed. The time frame is just made to be different. So, who do you think does not want Heavenly Father's Plan of Salvation to be completed? Who is so angry with God, he will stop at nothing to destroy all that is good? You got it! Satan! That is why a******n is against the will of God! Those who have had a******ns or have thought about getting an a******n will not be condemned if they are willing to repent and take upon them the name of Jesus Christ. That is because of the redemption and the grace of a loving Savior who took upon Him our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane for us to overcome spiritual death. Jesus Christ is our advocate and intercessory with the Father. Christ pleads with the Father on our behalf. Therefore, the Laws of Justice and Mercy are fulfilled. We are so blessed!

Airforceone

We as a nation can not legislate on religious belief to many different religions in this country you just can’t do it