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God created two thinking species, angels and men. Both rebelled against him: why?
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May 22, 2019 14:46:48   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
John King wrote:
There is different references of God's love, one is towards the Elect of God . . . and the other is towards the lost sinners of the world! You have referenced only the love of the Elect!

But God died (in Christ) for the lost, for the sinner, for those who have lived not believing in God, for the world!

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 3:10,23

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2 Peter 3:8,9

God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 5:8

Christ died for our sins. … He was buried. … He was raised on the third day, according to the Scriptures
1 Corinthians 15:3-4

In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world so that we might live through him. In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
1 John 4:9-11

But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ— by grace you have been saved.
Ephesians 2:4-5

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:16,17

If God's love was not directed towards the lost, the evil, the sinners, none would have a chance . . . . but, in God's great love for the lost and the sinner, Jesus died to restore us to a relationship with God! To live by the law is death . . . the law does not save us . . . only God's grace and mercy is sufficient to save us, not by any works of righteousness are we saved! God's love for the lost sinner is what brought Him to send His only Son to die for us all . . . so that none should perish! This is why all have the choice to accept Jesus as Lord or not! This rejection of Christ and God is the justification to send the lost to Gehenna/hell!
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Your preaching is falling on deaf ears, John. Jesus was not the son of God, nor was he the Messiah. You are a prisoner of Satan and you cannot understand. You are studying a false, Satanic doctrine. He knows his place is in Hell and he wants to take as many people with him that he can. He also wants to be worshiped as God and thru Jesus he is worshiped as God. In Genesis 3:1 he is called "subtil". This means that he has an intellect and he is clever. You are caught up in his web of lies.

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May 22, 2019 14:55:18   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
rumitoid wrote:
It is a question that I feel Christians need to answer to be totally clear about the love of God.
The Old Testament is loaded with examples of the rewards for obeying God and the consequences of disobeying Him. Compare, for example, King David with King Manasseh. They were free to choose God's love or reject it. Manasseh not only rejected God's love, he defied God.

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May 22, 2019 14:58:58   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
susanblange wrote:
Your preaching is falling on deaf ears, John. Jesus was not the son of God, nor was he the Messiah. You are a prisoner of Satan and you cannot understand. You are studying a false, Satanic doctrine. He knows his place is in Hell and he wants to take as many people with him that he can. He also wants to be worshiped as God and thru Jesus he is worshiped as God. In Genesis 3:1 he is called "subtil". This means that he has an intellect and he is clever. You are caught up in his web of lies.
Your preaching is falling on deaf ears, John. Jesu... (show quote)
In the Name of God and all that is sacred, keep the blasphemy to yourself.





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May 22, 2019 15:22:45   #
John King
 
susanblange wrote:
Your preaching is falling on deaf ears, John. Jesus was not the son of God, nor was he the Messiah. You are a prisoner of Satan and you cannot understand. You are studying a false, Satanic doctrine. He knows his place is in Hell and he wants to take as many people with him that he can. He also wants to be worshiped as God and thru Jesus he is worshiped as God. In Genesis 3:1 he is called "subtil". This means that he has an intellect and he is clever. You are caught up in his web of lies.
Your preaching is falling on deaf ears, John. Jesu... (show quote)


Yes I am aware you have a problem with not hearing . . . . deaf ears you call it!!! How can you learn anything if you willingly stop listening? It is called having a closed mind . . . and, in so doing, you are shutting out the t***h!

I won't get angry at you any longer! You need to do one thing . . . there is a reason why we have one mouth and two ears . . . . we need to listen twice as much as talking! I suggest you take a lesson from nature!!!

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May 22, 2019 17:01:17   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
John King wrote:
Yes I am aware you have a problem with not hearing . . . . deaf ears you call it!!! How can you learn anything if you willingly stop listening? It is called having a closed mind . . . and, in so doing, you are shutting out the t***h!

I won't get angry at you any longer! You need to do one thing . . . there is a reason why we have one mouth and two ears . . . . we need to listen twice as much as talking! I suggest you take a lesson from nature!!!


I come from a very abusive Christian background. I know all about Christian theology and I do not buy it. I have a major problem with a religion that forgives without repentance. Jesus came for the wicked and sinners. I have come for the righteous. Psalm 35:27. "Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favor my righteous cause..."

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May 22, 2019 17:21:41   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
susanblange wrote:
I come from a very abusive Christian background. I know all about Christian theology and I do not buy it. I have a major problem with a religion that forgives without repentance. Jesus came for the wicked and sinners. I have come for the righteous. Psalm 35:27. "Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favor my righteous cause..."
For what reason would you come for the righteous? The righteous have no need of a savior, a teacher or a messiah. It is the wicked and the sinners who need help.

Luke 5: 29-32

Then Levi held a great banquet for Jesus at his house, and a large crowd of tax collectors and others were eating with them. But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law who belonged to their sect complained to his disciples, “Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?”

Jesus answered them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”


There is no forgiveness for those who do not repent of their sins.

I'm curious, what sort of following do you have? Do you have any disciples? Do you have a name for this unholy quest you are on? Usurping the God ordained mission of Jesus is a pretty serious offense against God

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May 22, 2019 17:57:37   #
John King
 
susanblange wrote:
I come from a very abusive Christian background. I know all about Christian theology and I do not buy it. I have a major problem with a religion that forgives without repentance. Jesus came for the wicked and sinners. I have come for the righteous. Psalm 35:27. "Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favor my righteous cause..."


It is sad you came from an abusive Christian background which appears to have tainted you in such a manner as to reject Christianity. I know of a few people that, being raised in a Christian household, have rejected Christianity!

This is what happens when one is forced to believe something . . . . when free will is taken away . . . when parents try to force religion on their children.

My mom was a dev**e Catholic and dad was a non-practicing Protestant. Mom wanted to take us kids to Church but dad said no, the kids will make up their own minds as to what to believe. Parents would be serving God better to be an example rather than trying to force their kids into compliance as to believing in a certain religion.

I was introduced to Christ, not that I didn't know about Him, by some Christians that pick me and my friend up hitch-hiking home. They shared Jesus to use both and drove us right to our front door! They left us in the hands of Jesus and went their way. It was Christ that worked on me by the words of those who were Christians doing things a Christian would do . . . . by example, they showed the love of God to us.

Christianity DOES NOT TEACH FORGIVENESS WITHOUT REPENTANCE! Perhaps you should spend more time in the New Testament and the Gospels more specifically! Don't throw the baby out with the bath-water! You can reject the messenger but the message may be t***h . . . but not if you continue to reject out of hand because it is about Christianity being shared!

...just my opinion!

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May 22, 2019 18:50:35   #
rumitoid
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Because without a moral reference - good and evil, right and wrong, love and h**e, and the freedom to choose, love would mean nothing. We are not here to love each other, we are here to love God as He loves us, and from that love all other love flows and is nourished. As much as God wants us all to love Him, He did not intend for it to be easy. Considering the eternal magnificence and infinite glory of God, we must prove we are worthy of Him. That is why He came in the flesh to give us the chance we would never have had.

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Matthew 22: 37-40
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Thank you, Blade. I was not actually questioning that free will is needed for love but made the inquiry for someone to clearly articulate why it is needed for love. You did that brilliantly! God bless.

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May 22, 2019 18:53:45   #
rumitoid
 
Rose42 wrote:
What is the spirit behind these questions? Are you questioning our creator whose ways are not our ways?

20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?
Romans 9:20-21


The spirit behind these questions is simply an opportunity to more fully understand our relationship with God and provide a space to speak our love for God.

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May 22, 2019 19:02:50   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
rumitoid wrote:
Thank you, Blade. I was not actually questioning that free will is needed for love but made the inquiry for someone to clearly articulate why it is needed for love. You did that brilliantly! God bless.
And God bless you. Thanks, rumi.

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May 22, 2019 20:28:15   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
For what reason would you come for the righteous? The righteous have no need of a savior, a teacher or a messiah. It is the wicked and the sinners who need help.

Luke 5: 29-32

Then Levi held a great banquet for Jesus at his house, and a large crowd of tax collectors and others were eating with them. But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law who belonged to their sect complained to his disciples, “Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?”

Jesus answered them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”


There is no forgiveness for those who do not repent of their sins.

I'm curious, what sort of following do you have? Do you have any disciples? Do you have a name for this unholy quest you are on? Usurping the God ordained mission of Jesus is a pretty serious offense against God
For what reason would you come for the righteous? ... (show quote)


Psalm 58:11. "...Verily there is a reward for the righteous: verily he is a God that judgeth in the earth". There will be spiritual warfare. The righteous against the wicked. The wicked will be cut off and go to Hell. The righteous meek will enter Heaven and inherit the earth at the time of the resurrection. The Messiah will cause his House to be rebuilt. Isaiah 28:16. "...Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste". My followers are scattered all over the world and I have been in hiding. They also do not talk to me because they sincerely believe that I am the Messiah/God.

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May 22, 2019 20:42:11   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
susanblange wrote:
Psalm 58:11. "...Verily there is a reward for the righteous: verily he is a God that judgeth in the earth". There will be spiritual warfare. The righteous against the wicked. The wicked will be cut off and go to Hell. The righteous meek will enter Heaven and inherit the earth at the time of the resurrection. The Messiah will cause his House to be rebuilt. Isaiah 28:16. "...Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste". My followers are scattered all over the world and I have been in hiding. They also do not talk to me because they sincerely believe that I am the Messiah/God.
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I'd hide too, if I were you.

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May 22, 2019 20:44:44   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
John King wrote:
It is sad you came from an abusive Christian background which appears to have tainted you in such a manner as to reject Christianity. I know of a few people that, being raised in a Christian household, have rejected Christianity!

This is what happens when one is forced to believe something . . . . when free will is taken away . . . when parents try to force religion on their children.

My mom was a dev**e Catholic and dad was a non-practicing Protestant. Mom wanted to take us kids to Church but dad said no, the kids will make up their own minds as to what to believe. Parents would be serving God better to be an example rather than trying to force their kids into compliance as to believing in a certain religion.

I was introduced to Christ, not that I didn't know about Him, by some Christians that pick me and my friend up hitch-hiking home. They shared Jesus to use both and drove us right to our front door! They left us in the hands of Jesus and went their way. It was Christ that worked on me by the words of those who were Christians doing things a Christian would do . . . . by example, they showed the love of God to us.

Christianity DOES NOT TEACH FORGIVENESS WITHOUT REPENTANCE! Perhaps you should spend more time in the New Testament and the Gospels more specifically! Don't throw the baby out with the bath-water! You can reject the messenger but the message may be t***h . . . but not if you continue to reject out of hand because it is about Christianity being shared!

...just my opinion!
It is sad you came from an abusive Christian backg... (show quote)


My father was in the military and after my parents "crucified" me my father put in for a t***sfer and we moved in six months. They made sure they moved into a house without a balcony. There were witnesses who believed a major prophecy had been fulfilled and my parents were trying to prevent any more prophecy from being fulfilled. My mother also started reading the Bible. My parents always tried to break scripture but all they did was fulfill it. My parents forced me to move out of their house when I was 18. I moved into an apartment with a balcony. The balcony figures into a couple of Messianic prophecies, the drummer boy and the voice from Heaven.

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May 22, 2019 21:04:54   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
I'd hide too, if I were you.


Isaiah 45:15. "Verily thou art a God that hideth thyself, O God of Israel, the Savior". Psalm 89:46. "How long, Lord? wilt thou hide thyself forever? shall thy wrath burn like fire?"

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May 22, 2019 21:43:40   #
Iliamna1
 
Hey, rumi, check your messages. Iliamna

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