At what point are we "beings?" (Page 18): Theoretical ideas aren't reflected in reality. It doesn't matter that we should treat all equal ... the t***h is that we aren't treated that...

whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

Blade_Runner wrote:

It is the height of arrogance for a human being to assume the authority to determine the value of another human's life based only on that person's health, social status, or economic circumstances.

All men are created equal.. they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights . . . among these are LIFE, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness . . . .

Theoretical ideas aren't reflected in reality. It doesn't matter that we should treat all equal ... the t***h is that we aren't treated that way. It happens every day. While you may consider it arrogant or not doesn't alter the fact that it's going on as we speak.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

whitnebrat wrote:

Theoretical ideas aren't reflected in reality. It doesn't matter that we should treat all equal ... the t***h is that we aren't treated that way. It happens every day. While you may consider it arrogant or not doesn't alter the fact that it's going on as we speak.

Yeah, I know. May God have mercy on the humanist progressives who have brought this plague upon us.

Morgan

Rose42 wrote:

Do you believe we are here by choice? A friend of mine believes our soul existed before we were born but he’s never mentioned a choice.

One theory~possibility, I was told decades ago, was that we come to earth with an agreed contract, that we choose our parents, all of this is not in our memory, we go through life making our choices along with their consequences and rewards. This coincides with people who believe in reincarnation. Part of the Jewish belief is the well of souls and though they believe in God they also believe in reincarnation.

To answer your question, yes I believe we do have a choice whether to return or not.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

whitnebrat wrote:

Theoretical ideas aren't reflected in reality. It doesn't matter that we should treat all equal ... the t***h is that we aren't treated that way. It happens every day. While you may consider it arrogant or not doesn't alter the fact that it's going on as we speak.

whitnebrat; can you name another country that come close to America in treating its people equally?

Rose42

Morgan wrote:

One theory~possibility, I was told decades ago, wa... (show quote)

I have not heard it put that way before - thanks for answering. No beating from me.

Morgan

nwtk2007 wrote:

When I was a kid I sort of thought of the earth as... (show quote)

That is my understanding, that souls can achieve a higher plateau of consciousness in divineness. I h**e to think of people feeling that they have failed, mistakes are made yes, but that is exactly when we learn, grow and expand. I believe the Divine is not singular and sees us all as babes in the woods, such simpletons we are, LOL... even with our oh so great technology.

whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

eagleye13 wrote:

whitnebrat; can you name another country that come close to America in treating its people equally?

Not sure, but Denmark and Sweden come to mind ...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

whitnebrat wrote:

Not sure, but Denmark and Sweden come to mind ...

Canada

JW

Blade_Runner wrote:

I posed some questions about future possibilities.... (show quote)

Point 1: Not only is science the only road to knowledge, science is knowledge. It's what the word means.

Point 2: Sentience is the ability to perceive things or minimally to be able to feel things. If sentience goes by the second sense, to feel things, every living thing would be sentient and that renders the word meaningless. The Venus Fly Trap and other plants can feel things. Consequently, feeling things must mean in the sense of perception for it to have any actual meaning. I think it fair to say that knowledge is the only way to t***h.

To perceive in the sense of a sentient creature requires minimally a central nervous system. A zygote doesn't have one. A foetus doesn't even have anything that begins to resemble a mammalian brain until the sixth month of gestation.

If it is your contention that a soul enters at the moment of conception, we are back at your religious beliefs again and I repeat my question; by what authority do you subject a nonsubscriber to your religious viewpoint.

Morgan

whitnebrat wrote:

Not sure, but Denmark and Sweden come to mind ...

Except according to polls taken those people are happier, Denmark has rated highest in the world for people happiest with where they live.

Morgan

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Canada

...and why are you living in China?

Just jerking your chain my friend, lol

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

JW wrote:

lindajoy: Faith can not be defined in spirituality... (show quote)

You have replied to the life question very well I might add..

I’ll only say belief causes things to happen in our lives... An inward convictions, a feeling of reality and motives us in many aspects of life..

Belief and objectivity makes for very interesting debates~~

Morgan

JW wrote:

Point 1: Not only is science the only road to know... (show quote)

That is what it comes down to, the religious pushing their viewpoint to how we all abide by. This is not a governmental issue, a very personal, morally individual issue. Using this issue for the government to decide is opening a Pandora's Box, though they don't see it.

Morgan

Rose42 wrote:

I have not heard it put that way before - thanks for answering. No beating from me.

Thank you

Rose42

Morgan wrote:

That is what it comes down to, the religious pushing their viewpoint to how we all abide by.

Isn’t the opposite also true?

Science is like a religion to many. Its not the only path to knowledge. There are many things it can’t begin to explain and it bends with trends in society.