Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

For Tommy....

Some of the things on the website look interesting.... Do you still have all of the old material?

I was looking at sone of the titles under "the Oneness of God vs the Trinity" section... Just curious...

Rose42

Being a dissenter isn't a sign of intellect or not being complacent.



If you knew what it meant to be a Christian you wouldn't say that. Go ahead and find anyone who doesn't accept the Trinity and you'll see they are not doctrinally sound. There's a reason for that - its the wide road. The narrow road is much harder. The wide road is easy.

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

More false accusations on your part. Do you have any integrity whatsoever?

I did not answer you personally, because you posed all kinds of questions to me, but would not answer any of mine to you. But I did answer to another.

You impose these double standards because you are following in the footsteps and doing the deeds of the Pharisees, which deeds Jesus condemned.

“For they bind heavy burdens that are grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not lift a finger to help them.” Matthew 23:4

Just because you post some info and then plug your fingers into your ears against listening to any responses, does not equate to you “proving me wrong”! it just proves that you are belligerent and refuse to “try the spirits” like we are commanded.

Neither you, nor Zemirah, have actually listened to my responses, whether it was a single short post or a long, well crafted explanation. If you don’t listen, of course you’ll think your position is superior. You have proven that you won’t even consider inconsistencies with what you believe with A) what the Bible, in “it is written again” quotes, actually explains in detail concepts that refute your traditions of men, B) where the words and concepts by which you interpret the Bible actually originated, and C) how those terms and concepts were adopted by your forbears.

Your only consistent response is to condemn me against your traditions of men, just like the Pharisees when the thought they were doing God a service by condemning Jesus for allowing His disciples to eat with unwashed hands. And, just as Jesus was not afraid to be in-their-face against their traditions, so with me against your traditions of men.

Your double standards are yet another trait of false religionists:

“16"But to what shall I compare this generation? It is like children sitting in the marketplaces, who call to their companions 17and say, 'We played the flute for you, and you didn't dance. We mourned for you, and you didn't lament.' 18For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, 'He has a demon.' 19The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' But wisdom is justified by her children.” Matthew 11:16-19.

All you people have that you can throw at me are false accusations and double standards because I don’t follow your traditions of men. And when I try to show you that, you jump right back to your circular reasoning that I’m a false teacher for not submitting to your man made laws and conditions.

The mere fact the evil and corrupt manner by which have treated me doesn’t concern you in itself exposes the evil in your heart and your hatred of what is true. It was that exact attitude, that you are displaying, practically every time you or Zemirah respond, that shows ever so clearly that the following scriptures were written against people like you:

“8'These people draw near to me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9And in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrine rules made by men.” Matthew 15:8-9

“Now all these things happened to them by way of example, and they were written for our admonition, on whom the ends of the ages have come.” 1 Corinthians 10:11

“19This is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil. 20For everyone who does evil h**es the light, and doesn't come to the light, lest his works would be exposed. 21But he who does the t***h comes to the light, that his works may be revealed, that they have been done in God.” John 3-19-21

This is the proper way, and a respectful one at that, by which to rebuke people who are in error, by showing them the actual scriptures they are acting against. This is the opposite of the railing accusations you and Zemirah constantly use to charge me with that come from nothing but your opinions.

“The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule by their own authority; and my people love to have it so. What will you do in the end of it?” Jeremiah 5:31

Rose42

Get thee behind me Satan.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Do yourself a favor, Rose, get off this thread. It is a ping pong game in which there are no winners, no losers, and no one is keeping score.

Rose42

Done!

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

Thanks, Blade_Runner. I understand and agree with Rose however, both sides are well entrenched with their beliefs. My take on things like this, " I won't make fun of you for going to hell if you won't make fun of me for going to heaven." Perhaps not too Christian but the devil's advocates are almost as strong than the followers of Jesus. Jesus said, Heaven and earth shall pass away but my word stands forever. (paraphrase).
Many things will not be discovered until judgment day.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Wise decision.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Good advice.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Game, set and match...

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Touche'

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Don't gloat. It's unbecoming.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Not gloating....

I still have two more counter arguments to present to Tommy...

I greatly admire the time and effort that Tommy puts into his arguments...

That I believe he is correct will not stop me from attempting to counter his argument... It is the proper thing to do...

But I am happy that the ad hominem and slurs will stop... The deflection and misinformation...

Tommy countered my friend's argument quite nicely... To be honest I only found two flaws in my friend's argument... Tommy found six...

The second argument I will present is also from a friend... I believe it makes a stronger case for the Trinity than the first...

Tommy will no doubt counter it as well... At which point I will present an argument of my own design...

Which I believe Tommy will have more difficulty with... But considering his background I still believe he will be able to counter it...

During the course of this I hope to find other counter arguments....

This is the purpose of the forum.. Debate and discussion... And Tommy is most excellent at it...

I almost wish I were a Trinitarian so that I could put more effort into the debate....


Thanks for always being a gentleman on the thread Tucker....
One of my great take aways from this thread is getting to know you

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

I know you weren't gloating. i was being facetious but forget to include the smiley faces.

whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

Sounds to me like you're saying that if someone doesn't believe what you do, that you consider them stupid. Is this what you really meant to say? If so, you are displaying an incredible amount of hubris and total ignorance of the human race.