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May 8, 2019 15:02:37   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Morgan wrote:
You've summed that up very nicely.

Yes, he did.

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May 8, 2019 15:16:56   #
Rose42
 
Morgan wrote:
You've summed that up very nicely.


It may be a nice summation but its wrong. It has nothing to do with when it was written.

God is a He because that's how He refers to Himself. As Father not mother. Its a non-issue. He didn't do it for numbers or acceptance. He doesn't need us, we need Him.

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May 8, 2019 20:48:09   #
rumitoid
 
TommyRadd wrote:
Remember, when you point your finger, there’s four pointing back at you.

I explained to you that I wasn’t accusing you directly or personally, and why I made the comment, and now you, in my estimation, are the one being “too blinded by stereotypes” to hear my explanation.

Then you go on to criticize getting into trivial arguments, somehow forgetting that no one held a gun to your head to join this discussion with your strongly dissenting opinion. Apparently, that response was because I had a response to your accusations that you couldn’t otherwise defend, so you felt the need to resort to an ad hominem to save face. So, better to imply that guys like me just want to argue about insignificant issues than admit maybe you responded too hastily.

And all because I made the suggestion that you and Blade Runner start your own thread over the topic (mostly because I see the topic of “the purpose of salvation” an important one, worthy of its own thread), which you decided was so wrong-headed that you felt the need to argue with me over in order it to keep an important topic as a sub-topic in the thread which you now claim is a relatively trivial pursuit. But somehow your arguing over which thread your more important sub-topic, which you feel should be the main topic, belonged in, wasn’t trivial because you obviously wouldn’t condescend to trivial, fruitless arguments...

Okay, your turn. Go ahead and tell me, in your view, all the things I’ve said or done wrong in this thread.


By the way, I’m actually beginning to see your point about the humanistic side of Prager’s purpose in his video. Whereas I initially attributed his position to “merely” his Jewish viewpoint, that alone is a little too simplistic. Almost like excusing an unruly child for being too young to understand, when in fact they should have known better at their age. For, by disallowing the New Testament extension to God’s word, his clinging to “old manna” is humanistic. Sorry I didn’t pick up on that earlier. I still don’t see that point as negating his points about why God is referred to in scripture as male, but it certainly casts his motives in a non-Christian (and therefore humanistic) light.
Remember, when you point your finger, there’s four... (show quote)


I am glad you finally see my point, and I really appreciate you admitting an apology for not seeing it sooner. I also freely admitted that the Left, and only the Left, has an undue obsession over a male God. Maybe next time neither one of us will have to jump through hoops to be heard and recognized.

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May 8, 2019 20:56:42   #
rumitoid
 
4430 wrote:
You have answered very well correctly however my question is do you believe what you've said ?

Many of your past post suggested otherwise !


Thank you.

Without a link or hint at those past posts, I have no way of responding. Wh**ever I write is what I see as t***h at that moment. We all grow and change and find deeper meaning.

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May 8, 2019 21:03:43   #
rumitoid
 
4430 wrote:
You will find these type of people in every church O they can talk so wonderful and nice but their heart is wicked !

Folks can go to church every time the door is open but live a different life out in the world !

Going to church and talking very spiritual means nothing if you don't live it every day and every where you are !
True Christianity is a day by day walking with the Lord and if ya stumble he is faithful to bring it to your attention so you can repent and go on !


I have been a Christian, according to the RCC, since I was ten days old. But I was baptized at 38, accepting Christ as my lord and savior. That also began thirty years of studying scripture. I have been a congregant of a number of churches over those years. In all that time it has been a consistent theme to categorize those Christians who attempt to emphasize "love of neighbor" as Liberals.

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May 8, 2019 21:05:21   #
rumitoid
 
JediKnight wrote:
You posted; "But I have come to expect little or no understanding from you guys that stereotype liberals as Christ-h**ers and refuse to listen to reason."

You have summed up the majority of the problems discussed on this site: stereotypes and those who refuse to listen to reason. Thank you.


You're welcome.

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May 8, 2019 21:06:06   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
I KNEW IT!

"T***h at the Moment!"

So, you have no set of fixed values or beliefs, and by "fixed" I do NOT mean inflexible. You rarely present a cogent argument because you just blow with the wind, no matter the direction.

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May 8, 2019 21:07:01   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
rumitoid wrote:
Thank you.

Without a link or hint at those past posts, I have no way of responding. Wh**ever I write is what I see as t***h at that moment. We all grow and change and find deeper meaning.


I KNEW IT!

"T***h at the Moment!"

So, you have no set of fixed values or beliefs, and by "fixed" I do NOT mean inflexible. You rarely present a cogent argument because you just blow with the wind, no matter the direction.

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May 8, 2019 21:17:47   #
rumitoid
 
dtucker300 wrote:
I KNEW IT!

"T***h at the Moment!"

So, you have no set of fixed values or beliefs, and by "fixed" I do NOT mean inflexible. You rarely present a cogent argument because you just blow with the wind, no matter the direction.


I suppose you are addressing me. All we have is the moment. How does saying what we know as t***h this moment means no fixed values or beliefs? You and I are works in progress. Hopefully you and I will grow in spiritual wisdom, fruits, gifts, and understanding.

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May 8, 2019 21:21:55   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
rumitoid wrote:
I suppose you are addressing me. All we have is the moment. How does saying what we know as t***h this moment means no fixed values or beliefs? You and I are works in progress. Hopefully you and I will grow in spiritual wisdom, fruits, gifts, and understanding.


That is true. But it sounds like you have no moral compass.

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May 8, 2019 21:32:12   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
rumitoid wrote:
I am glad you finally see my point, and I really appreciate you admitting an apology for not seeing it sooner. I also freely admitted that the Left, and only the Left, has an undue obsession over a male God. Maybe next time neither one of us will have to jump through hoops to be heard and recognized.



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May 8, 2019 21:43:53   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
rumitoid wrote:
Blade, sorry I did not see this last night. Given how little you think of me, this is a very generous offer. And I agree with the terms you have laid out. Here is my question: what is the purpose of salvation?
Ten years ago, rumi, I attended a seminar on the Book of Revelation. The sessions were 2 hours long, one day a week for 14 weeks. At the beginning of every session, the Protestant pastor held up his Bible and said, "The Bible is its own teacher." And he proved it.

How about referring to the Bible for an answer to that question? Paul's letter to the Ephesians would be an excellent place to start. The Book of Psalms is loaded with God's purpose for His children, which is fundamental to understanding the purpose of salvation.

Psalm 57:2 says, "I cry out to God Most High, to God who fulfills his purpose for me."

rumitoid wrote:
I put forth this question as a way to demonstrate how such careless comments such as Prager made about the “goals of the Bible” can be a serious threat to faith. It may seem innocuous, something only an uber A-type personality would find objectionable but he gets it all wrong--and as he does he undermines Christ's mission, as you will see when you present an answer. His is not a little, excusable mistake but apostasy, intentional or not. And he made those "goals of the Bible" the primary premise of his entire lecture!
I put forth this question as a way to demonstrate ... (show quote)
You have criticized Prager's POV on the goals of the Bible, and you have condemned him as an apostate for it. You claim Prager got it all wrong. You say he undermines Christ's mission, but you have failed to articulate your own POV on the goals of the Bible and Christ's mission.

Without a clear picture of where you stand on this issue, your assumptions about Prager's POV cannot be understood.

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May 8, 2019 22:03:59   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
rumitoid wrote:
I suppose you are addressing me. All we have is the moment. How does saying what we know as t***h this moment means no fixed values or beliefs? You and I are works in progress. Hopefully you and I will grow in spiritual wisdom, fruits, gifts, and understanding.


T***h is the ultimate goal of all of our questions regarding Origin, Meaning, Morality and Destiny. Testing the questions follows two paths - Correspondence and Coherence.

Particular claims about t***h when tested against reality must correspond to reality. The questions we ask and the confluence of answers given must cohere, and these are narrowed down to logical consistency, empirical adequacy, and experiential relevance.

There are relative t***hs that can change in a heartbeat, then there is absolute T***h which is immutable and eternal. The former are subject to whim and circumstance, or what may be true today could easily change tomorrow. The latter, however, is most difficult to realize, and the guide to seeking and finding absolute T***h is the purpose of the Bible.

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May 8, 2019 22:16:58   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
T***h is the ultimate goal of all of our questions regarding Origin, Meaning, Morality and Destiny. Testing the questions follows two paths - Correspondence and Coherence.

Particular claims about t***h when tested against reality must correspond to reality. The questions we ask and the confluence of answers given must cohere, and these are narrowed down to logical consistency, empirical adequacy, and experiential relevance.

There are relative t***hs that can change in a heartbeat, then there is absolute T***h which is immutable and eternal. The former are subject to whim and circumstance, or what may be true today could easily change tomorrow. The latter, however, is most difficult to realize, and the guide to seeking and finding absolute T***h is the purpose of the Bible.
T***h is the ultimate goal of all of our questions... (show quote)


Well said. I'm just an average Joe, no fancy education, and I have trouble finding the words to sometimes express myself.

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May 8, 2019 22:25:35   #
Rose42
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
T***h is the ultimate goal of all of our questions regarding Origin, Meaning, Morality and Destiny. Testing the questions follows two paths - Correspondence and Coherence.

Particular claims about t***h when tested against reality must correspond to reality. The questions we ask and the confluence of answers given must cohere, and these are narrowed down to logical consistency, empirical adequacy, and experiential relevance.

There are relative t***hs that can change in a heartbeat, then there is absolute T***h which is immutable and eternal. The former are subject to whim and circumstance, or what may be true today could easily change tomorrow. The latter, however, is most difficult to realize, and the guide to seeking and finding absolute T***h is the purpose of the Bible.
T***h is the ultimate goal of all of our questions... (show quote)


Sounds like you listen to Ravi Zacharias. One of the best Christian apologists out there IMO.

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