Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Atheists understand this concept perfectly.

Atheists, however, choose not to recognize or obey the absolutes of a supreme God they refuse to recognize, nor will they acknowledge the God given rights of all men.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I agree Tucker...

The push to allow Muslims special privilege is a kneejerk reaction to perceived "Islamaphobia" ...

Such practices must either be applied equally to Christianity and other faiths or to None at all...

whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

I also agree.

whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

This brings to mind the situation in Dearborn, Michigan, which has one of the largest Muslim populations in the United States. The non-muslim residents complained about the mosque broadcasting the call to prayer five times a day. The city tried to curtail this, to which the Mosque said that they would stop the prayer call if the Christian churches stopped sounding the Angelus and Sunday bells. The whole thing was dropped.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

The morning call can be most annoying for those who like to sleep in...

In the dorms there is a room used as a mosque by the Muslim students...

I went for morning service once and was chuckling because the call was done in a whisper...

Seems that the non-Muslim members of the dorm had made their displeasure with being awoken most clear..

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

If you understand it so well, what does it mean?

Rose42

This country didn't start with islamic principles. Church bells have always rung and they don't have the sound of a dying cow like so many muslim calls to prayer do.

We don't adapt to them. They are to adapt to us. Too bad the city caved.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

The Federal government can not select and elevate one specific faith or denomination, and support and sponsor it, to the exclusion of all others.

Freedom of religion is the right to join the religion or denomination of our choice and to worship as we please, as long as there is no illegality (human sacrifice would be an example of an illegal worship practice).

That does not mean that other religions cannot exist without government support, but that the "state" religion is given public funding and special privilege, i.e., in building permits, funding and location to build a new church building, for example.

An example of a state sponsored religion is U.K. and the Anglican Church (the Church of England).

Neither can the Federal government dictate the doctrines of the church by holding special councils at which they officiate (as the Roman Emperor, Constantine did in the 4th century), and determine what the church is allowed to teach, what their citizens can believe about religion, or how their worship services are to be conducted.

Christian pastors and congregations should never have submitted to the Johnson Amendment.

Losing their tax-free status is not more important than the freedom to warn their members if Political Candidates are hostile to God's Biblical commandments, values and virtues.

(Acts 5:29) But Peter and the other apostles replied, "We must obey God rather than men."

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

D********g...

Freedom of religion certainly only portends to Christianity...

And the call to prayer is extremely beautiful...

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

You ARE smarter than the average atheist. Thanks for your response.

If you refuse to acknowledge the God-given rights of all men, what rights do you recognize? Do you believe all of our rights come from the government?

Rose42

I didn’t say no freedom of religion. Satanism is allowed too. But ironically Satanists aren’t as disruptive to societies as islam is. Go figure.

I’ve heard the call many thousands of times in different locations. The odd one is nice but the recordings we had to listen to sounded like a cow dying. Too bad if you don’t like hearing the t***h.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Rose is talking about assimilation into American society and culture, about becoming an American citizen who is loyal to our constitution and who will practice their religion as all other loyal Americans do. There are some American Muslims who serve this country well, but unfortunately there are many who are not here to assimilate but to infiltrate and use our own laws and constitution to impose Sharia. Have you ever heard of the Stealth Jihad?

Obama also highly praised the Muslim call to prayer while at the same time degrading Christians.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

And bowing to the Saudi Prince. (I wonder if Obama made a secret hajj to Mecca while he was there?)

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

dtucker, Where did you get this atheist dribble?

I've been a bible believing, born-again Christian since the summer I became eight years old.

I've been a member of OPP since April of 2013 (six years), and since day one during that time have espoused nothing but Biblical Christianity.

...and you're right, - I am smarter than the average atheist.

Now, you're trying to put words into my mouth that could never reside there.

All men are born with an innate desire to worship God, and that too, is a God given right.

2 Corinthians 3:17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."

"The Spirit of God is always the spirit of liberty; the spirit that is not of God is the spirit of bondage, the spirit of oppression and depression."

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

I misunderstood your comments:

"Atheists understand this concept perfectly."

"Atheists, however, choose not to recognize or obey the absolutes of a supreme God they refuse to recognize, nor will they acknowledge the God given rights of all men."

I sounded to me like you were answering for atheists as the result of personal experience and belief.
I see that is not the case based on earlier conservations we had. I apologize for that confusion. I was experiencing a temporary cognitive dissonance.

Since the original question was about separation of church and state, I said the First Amendment gives us freedom of religion, and atheists t***slate that into freedom from religion. Not only for them because they already have that. But for everyone else. They want the public sphere to be completely devoid of any religious symbolism, prayer, etc, on public property. However, it is okay for Muslims to hold public prayer on the streets. Michigan State, a publically supported university allow a Muslim prayer room to be built on campus, something that I would equate to as building a chapel on campus at public expense.

At the risk of beating a dead horse, I mistakenly asked you, "If 'you' understand it so well, what does it mean?" Your response sent me in the wrong direction because of your answering the question, I thought you were saying that you are an atheist.
Profuse apologies to you, sir!