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Apr 26, 2019 14:49:03   #
woodguru
 
lindajoy wrote:
Do you seriously believe Barr would jeopardize his own career and reputation?

Why don’t you have anything to say about Rosenstein being with Barr going over the report and helping formulate the conclusions drawn?

Why didn’t Mueller want to see the finished product by Barr having refused to do so on two separate occasions when Barr offered him the opportunity?

Why haven’t the Democrats that Barr offered to allow review the report but not being able to copy any of it and not leaking any of it, refuse his offer? The only reason they want the Unredacted report is to try to find something against Trump even at this late date...
Do you seriously believe Barr would jeopardize his... (show quote)


Barr has an established reputation covering up white house scandal in the Contra affair, his personal hand was in pardoning five people who were criminally involved, thereby making the case go away.

Barr crossed the line of complete fabrication in terms of what he represented about the Mueller report. Mueller clearly represented that it was not the DOJ's position to prosecute and he meant Barr as well. Barr represented that it was his decision to exonerate or state that crimes had been found, and that is not true.

Barr made a joke out of the non partisan position that needs to be maintained by the DOJ and AG.

Dems refused the offer because they are going to be able to get the unredacted report with no terms such as Barr was offering. The right likes to represent that the left leaks classified information, but the right has as a standard operating procedure taken classified information right to the press or white house. Nunes and his midnight run admitted he thought the white house and president needed to know what was known about him.

Personally I think Barr is seriously screwed when we see what has been redacted for no reason except that it was toxic to Trump. I think that his color coding is about fighting types of information, and when one type is "lost" to court releases, the other "colors" might be safe until other arguments are made against them, and then we'll see things that didn't really fit the designated reason for redaction.

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Apr 26, 2019 14:49:25   #
Rose42
 
woodguru wrote:
I am pointing to one topic, and it's a topic that clearly divides people by partisan lines...and I'm sorry but in this case the right has taken their stand based on ignorance and rhetoric that came out before the report did. Now it's time to read the report because the early ignorance based positions are clearly wrong.

So at this time an argument between the right and the left is being engaged by a right that refuses to read the actual points that were made where Trump could easily be successfully indicted and prosecuted just with what can be read in the redacted report. The person arguing that there is nothing there who has refused to read the report is being well beyond ignorant and deeply in the realm of stupid.

So simply recognize that by definition, if you are refusing to read the report you are coming from the ignorant side of things... no, the l*****t arguing that the report has many examples of clear obstruction of justice that could easily be successfully indicted and prosecuted. Congress has the ability to use the case for obstruction as the key tool for impeachment on the grounds that the law was broken to a degree that it requires prosecution after an impeachment.

So Rose, read at least the section on McGahn, it is fully developed and proved to the degree any decent prosecutor could successfully prosecute. Trump's stupidity is not understanding that white house attorneys do not work for him, they work for the country and it's people first as a priority. To ask a white house attorney or intelligence head to lie to the people is breaking the law, and Trump does that as a rule.
I am pointing to one topic, and it's a topic that ... (show quote)


You don't read very carefully. I just said you were wrong in assuming I hadn't read it and you were wrong in assuming I was a Trump supporter. 'nuff said.

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Apr 26, 2019 16:21:59   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
lindajoy wrote:
Moldy, cheep shots are not your forte, and Deb is a respectful poster and a pleasure to communicate with..


Cheap shots are not his forte, and expensive ones are beyond his budget. Talk about a conundrum.

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Apr 26, 2019 17:24:25   #
moldyoldy
 
Rose42 wrote:
You don't read very carefully. I just said you were wrong in assuming I hadn't read it and you were wrong in assuming I was a Trump supporter. 'nuff said.


You defend him every chance you get.

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Apr 26, 2019 17:41:58   #
Rose42
 
moldyoldy wrote:
You defend him every chance you get.


You don't read very carefully either.

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Apr 27, 2019 12:54:52   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
moldyoldy wrote:
It would not be the first time Barr went criminal


Would you mind replying to the questions I posed, moldy??

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Apr 27, 2019 13:14:55   #
moldyoldy
 
lindajoy wrote:
Would you mind replying to the questions I posed, moldy??


Are these the questions?

Do you seriously believe Barr would jeopardize his own career and reputation?

Woodguru showed in a previous post what Barr cares about his reputation.

Why don’t you have anything to say about Rosenstein being with Barr going over the report and helping formulate the conclusions drawn?

Rosentein was on his way out, I guess they made him an offer he could not refuse. Now he is another Barr.

Why didn’t Mueller want to see the finished product by Barr having refused to do so on two separate occasions when Barr offered him the opportunity?

Mueller prepared the finished product, with summaries. Barr changed the results summary.

Why haven’t the Democrats that Barr offered to allow review the report but not being able to copy any of it and not leaking any of it, refuse his offer? The only reason they want the Unredacted report is to try to find something against Trump even at this late date...

Barr has lied from the beginning. He does not want the actual facts to come out. The unredacted report will show all the crimes of criminal one.

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Apr 27, 2019 13:19:23   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
woodguru wrote:
Barr has an established reputation covering up white house scandal in the Contra affair, his personal hand was in pardoning five people who were criminally involved, thereby making the case go away.

Barr crossed the line of complete fabrication in terms of what he represented about the Mueller report. Mueller clearly represented that it was not the DOJ's position to prosecute and he meant Barr as well. Barr represented that it was his decision to exonerate or state that crimes had been found, and that is not true.

Barr made a joke out of the non partisan position that needs to be maintained by the DOJ and AG.

Dems refused the offer because they are going to be able to get the unredacted report with no terms such as Barr was offering. The right likes to represent that the left leaks classified information, but the right has as a standard operating procedure taken classified information right to the press or white house. Nunes and his midnight run admitted he thought the white house and president needed to know what was known about him.

Personally I think Barr is seriously screwed when we see what has been redacted for no reason except that it was toxic to Trump. I think that his color coding is about fighting types of information, and when one type is "lost" to court releases, the other "colors" might be safe until other arguments are made against them, and then we'll see things that didn't really fit the designated reason for redaction.
Barr has an established reputation covering up whi... (show quote)


Thank You wolf for your thought provoking reply...

Bush decided to pardon and Barr in his opinion agreed with that decision.. Walsh of course did not since he investigated it..
I get the arms-for-hostages deal and Norths involvement too.. but none of it was without knowledge and consent of if not orders from Reagan~~

As for the unredacted report it will not ever be completely released because of the highly sensitive measures used in International Espionage issues or how the investigations are done.. Not to mention the Grand Jury members.. Not withstanding the fact no matter what it says the dems are not ever going to accept it... Mueller failed them and they have viciously attacked him already..

I don’t think Barr is screwed at all, he followed protocol required, had Rosenstein there with him and offered Mueller ample opportunity to review the findings drawn prior to releasing it..

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Apr 27, 2019 13:28:50   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Are these the questions?

Do you seriously believe Barr would jeopardize his own career and reputation?

Woodguru showed in a previous post what Barr cares about his reputation.

Why don’t you have anything to say about Rosenstein being with Barr going over the report and helping formulate the conclusions drawn?

Rosentein was on his way out, I guess they made him an offer he could not refuse. Now he is another Barr.

Why didn’t Mueller want to see the finished product by Barr having refused to do so on two separate occasions when Barr offered him the opportunity?

Mueller prepared the finished product, with summaries. Barr changed the results summary.

Why haven’t the Democrats that Barr offered to allow review the report but not being able to copy any of it and not leaking any of it, refuse his offer? The only reason they want the Unredacted report is to try to find something against Trump even at this late date...

Barr has lied from the beginning. He does not want the actual facts to come out. The unredacted report will show all the crimes of criminal one.
Are these the questions? br br Do you seriously b... (show quote)


So Rosenstein the one appointed and running the show is now just another Barr because he agreed with Bars summary?? Okkk got it..

Mueller chose not to review Barrs summary which means he wasn’t worried about it knowing he had answered in his summary finding and Barr would recite him ... ok, got it.. How do you know Barr changed Mueller's summary???

Barr offered the report to dems contingent upon no copying, or leaking info contained in it.. They refused to read it because he invoked privilege keeping the report confidential..Thats all they want it for to begin with is to leak and twist what they can of it...

Thank You for your reply..

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Apr 27, 2019 13:43:35   #
moldyoldy
 
lindajoy wrote:
So Rosenstein the one appointed and running the show is now just another Barr because he agreed with Bars summary?? Okkk got it..

Mueller chose not to review Barrs summary which means he wasn’t worried about it knowing he had answered in his summary finding and Barr would recite him ... ok, got it.. How do you know Barr changed Mueller's summary???

Barr offered the report to dems contingent upon no copying, or leaking info contained in it.. They refused to read it because he invoked privilege keeping the report confidential..Thats all they want it for to begin with is to leak and twist what they can of it...
So Rosenstein the one appointed and running the sh... (show quote)


The DEMs want to release the facts the GOP wants to release sources and methods so Russia will know who to poison. Barr makes a lot of claims, but we do not know if any of it is true.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/politics/full-mueller-report-pdf/index.html

See if barr told the t***h.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/full-text-mueller-reports-executive-summaries

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Apr 28, 2019 10:32:17   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
debeda wrote:
And THAT'S the real skinny!!!!


🌹😘🌺

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Apr 28, 2019 10:37:43   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
moldyoldy wrote:
The DEMs want to release the facts the GOP wants to release sources and methods so Russia will know who to poison. Barr makes a lot of claims, but we do not know if any of it is true.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/politics/full-mueller-report-pdf/index.html

See if barr told the t***h.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/full-text-mueller-reports-executive-summaries


Moldy, rather than having to repost all of this please refer to

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-156931-1.html Page 3..

You wont like it but it sufficiently speaks for itself..

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