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Apr 25, 2019 17:32:39   #
woodguru
 
Noraa wrote:
Look in the mirror!!!


I'm reading the report, are you? Kindergarten crap right there, are you aware of the fact that the McGahn testimony could be taken right straight to a grand jury for indictment and then prosecution? Read it, Mueller did a great job of giving prosecution ready evidence to congress for impeachment on those grounds.

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Apr 25, 2019 17:41:39   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
woodguru wrote:
Funny that the point is made about whether you take it upon yourself to actually read and understand it though isn't it? This is proof of who prefers ignorance and which side goes with the reality, it doesn't get clearer than this. Who is going to win an argument, the one quoting the facts or the one repeating the rhetoric that is clueless about the facts? By the way, that isn't a trick or even tricky question, it's obvious.

Do yourselves a favor, read just the section that deals with McGahn, he refused to do what Trump wanted him too, and it got far worse when Trump then wanted him to take his objections out of the record, which he also refused to do.

Trump is treading violating a law that could result in him being put in jail for ten years by telling McGahn and the security clearance guy not to testify before the senate. There is a specific law regarding influencing testimony that he is directly violating multiple times with different people.Talk about stupid, that is Trump interfering with people who are now civilians testifying.
Funny that the point is made about whether you tak... (show quote)


You never told us you had a Juris Doctor. When did you pass the Bar exam? You obviously know so much more than the people who get paid for it.

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Apr 26, 2019 06:29:24   #
debeda
 
woodguru wrote:
The Mueller report is the proof of two distinct factions, on one side we have people who can see that obviously the report is long and heavily detailed, it can't possibly be read in a weekend.

Yet we have seen a narrative come out before the report was even released, Barr literally lied and misrepresented both what the report did in fact say, and put a spin to what it was saying that it did not. Of course right wing media and those in the GOP who have covered for Trump when they were in control of the house are running that narrative, nothing there, full exoneration, might as well burn it, we don't need it anymore.

Meanwhile, despite the narrative that people are s**k of this and want it over, books on the actual report and breakdowns of the case that Mueller made against Trump, cases of actual evidence necessary to fully indict and prosecute. Mueller didn't say there wasn't enough evidence to indict, he said it was the policy of the DOJ not to, and that includes it not being Barr's position to take a political stance either.

People owe it to themselves and this country to learn everything they can about what the report actually says, it is the only way anybody can be talking intelligently.

Anyone who has taken a position early on and refuses to engage in anything the report actually says is well beyond ignorance. I don't know what to say about anyone who argues the position that isn't basing arguments on what the report says, but what Barr, Trump, FOX, and right wing media sources. This is the issue where people can easily see and figure out who is lying to them, because it doesn't get better than being in black and white print.
The Mueller report is the proof of two distinct fa... (show quote)


Cant be read in a weekend? I read it in 4.5 hours, tho admittedly I'm versed in legal jargon cuz I look at it all day. At what pace do you read?

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Apr 26, 2019 06:37:30   #
Rose42
 
debeda wrote:
Cant be read in a weekend? I read it in 4.5 hours, tho admittedly I'm versed in legal jargon cuz I look at it all day. At what pace do you read?


You have to look at legal jargon all day? My sympathies

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Apr 26, 2019 06:40:43   #
debeda
 
Rose42 wrote:
You have to look at legal jargon all day? My sympathies


Eh, it's not that bad once you get used to reading in circles

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Apr 26, 2019 06:51:20   #
Rose42
 
debeda wrote:
Eh, it's not that bad once you get used to reading in circles


LOL!!

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Apr 26, 2019 08:00:30   #
moldyoldy
 
debeda wrote:
Cant be read in a weekend? I read it in 4.5 hours, tho admittedly I'm versed in legal jargon cuz I look at it all day. At what pace do you read?


Now you just need someone to understand it for you

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Apr 26, 2019 08:04:25   #
debeda
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Now you just need someone to understand it for you


I understand it just fine. I don't need the "progressive t***slation", thanks

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Apr 26, 2019 08:11:39   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
woodguru wrote:
The Mueller report is the proof of two distinct factions, on one side we have people who can see that obviously the report is long and heavily detailed, it can't possibly be read in a weekend.

Yet we have seen a narrative come out before the report was even released, Barr literally lied and misrepresented both what the report did in fact say, and put a spin to what it was saying that it did not. Of course right wing media and those in the GOP who have covered for Trump when they were in control of the house are running that narrative, nothing there, full exoneration, might as well burn it, we don't need it anymore.

Meanwhile, despite the narrative that people are s**k of this and want it over, books on the actual report and breakdowns of the case that Mueller made against Trump, cases of actual evidence necessary to fully indict and prosecute. Mueller didn't say there wasn't enough evidence to indict, he said it was the policy of the DOJ not to, and that includes it not being Barr's position to take a political stance either.

People owe it to themselves and this country to learn everything they can about what the report actually says, it is the only way anybody can be talking intelligently.

Anyone who has taken a position early on and refuses to engage in anything the report actually says is well beyond ignorance. I don't know what to say about anyone who argues the position that isn't basing arguments on what the report says, but what Barr, Trump, FOX, and right wing media sources. This is the issue where people can easily see and figure out who is lying to them, because it doesn't get better than being in black and white print.
The Mueller report is the proof of two distinct fa... (show quote)


Do you seriously believe Barr would jeopardize his own career and reputation?

Why don’t you have anything to say about Rosenstein being with Barr going over the report and helping formulate the conclusions drawn?

Why didn’t Mueller want to see the finished product by Barr having refused to do so on two separate occasions when Barr offered him the opportunity?

Why haven’t the Democrats that Barr offered to allow review the report but not being able to copy any of it and not leaking any of it, refuse his offer? The only reason they want the Unredacted report is to try to find something against Trump even at this late date...

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Apr 26, 2019 08:13:29   #
debeda
 
lindajoy wrote:
Do you seriously believe Barr would jeopardize his own career and reputation?

Why don’t you have anything to say about Rosenstein being with Barr going over the report and helping formulate the conclusions drawn?

Why didn’t Mueller want to see the finished product by Barr having refused to do so on two separate occasions when Barr offered him the opportunity?

Why haven’t the Democrats that Barr offered to allow review the report but not being able to copy any of it and not leaking any of it, refuse his offer? The only reason they want the Unredacted report is to try to find something against Trump even at this late date...
Do you seriously believe Barr would jeopardize his... (show quote)


And THAT'S the real skinny!!!!

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Apr 26, 2019 08:13:29   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Now you just need someone to understand it for you


Moldy, cheep shots are not your forte, and Deb is a respectful poster and a pleasure to communicate with..

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Apr 26, 2019 09:27:38   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Now you just need someone to understand it for you


That would be YOU? Not.

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Apr 26, 2019 11:12:05   #
TrueAmerican
 
woodguru wrote:
The Mueller report is the proof of two distinct factions, on one side we have people who can see that obviously the report is long and heavily detailed, it can't possibly be read in a weekend.

Yet we have seen a narrative come out before the report was even released, Barr literally lied and misrepresented both what the report did in fact say, and put a spin to what it was saying that it did not. Of course right wing media and those in the GOP who have covered for Trump when they were in control of the house are running that narrative, nothing there, full exoneration, might as well burn it, we don't need it anymore.

Meanwhile, despite the narrative that people are s**k of this and want it over, books on the actual report and breakdowns of the case that Mueller made against Trump, cases of actual evidence necessary to fully indict and prosecute. Mueller didn't say there wasn't enough evidence to indict, he said it was the policy of the DOJ not to, and that includes it not being Barr's position to take a political stance either.

People owe it to themselves and this country to learn everything they can about what the report actually says, it is the only way anybody can be talking intelligently.

Anyone who has taken a position early on and refuses to engage in anything the report actually says is well beyond ignorance. I don't know what to say about anyone who argues the position that isn't basing arguments on what the report says, but what Barr, Trump, FOX, and right wing media sources. This is the issue where people can easily see and figure out who is lying to them, because it doesn't get better than being in black and white print.
The Mueller report is the proof of two distinct fa... (show quote)


And you are living breathing proof of the ignorance which abounds in this country !!!!!!

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Apr 26, 2019 11:41:21   #
moldyoldy
 
lindajoy wrote:
Do you seriously believe Barr would jeopardize his own career and reputation?

Why don’t you have anything to say about Rosenstein being with Barr going over the report and helping formulate the conclusions drawn?

Why didn’t Mueller want to see the finished product by Barr having refused to do so on two separate occasions when Barr offered him the opportunity?

Why haven’t the Democrats that Barr offered to allow review the report but not being able to copy any of it and not leaking any of it, refuse his offer? The only reason they want the Unredacted report is to try to find something against Trump even at this late date...
Do you seriously believe Barr would jeopardize his... (show quote)


It would not be the first time Barr went criminal

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Apr 26, 2019 14:26:55   #
woodguru
 
Rose42 wrote:
Because I point out the ongoing nature of most topics which is - "you're stupid, no YOU'RE stupid" I must not have read it and I must be a Trump supporter. Neither are true.

You always like to claim ignorance is a characteristic of the right only. That is one thing that adds to the divide. Ignorance is bipartisan and no one is objective.


I am pointing to one topic, and it's a topic that clearly divides people by partisan lines...and I'm sorry but in this case the right has taken their stand based on ignorance and rhetoric that came out before the report did. Now it's time to read the report because the early ignorance based positions are clearly wrong.

So at this time an argument between the right and the left is being engaged by a right that refuses to read the actual points that were made where Trump could easily be successfully indicted and prosecuted just with what can be read in the redacted report. The person arguing that there is nothing there who has refused to read the report is being well beyond ignorant and deeply in the realm of stupid.

So simply recognize that by definition, if you are refusing to read the report you are coming from the ignorant side of things... no, the l*****t arguing that the report has many examples of clear obstruction of justice that could easily be successfully indicted and prosecuted. Congress has the ability to use the case for obstruction as the key tool for impeachment on the grounds that the law was broken to a degree that it requires prosecution after an impeachment.

So Rose, read at least the section on McGahn, it is fully developed and proved to the degree any decent prosecutor could successfully prosecute. Trump's stupidity is not understanding that white house attorneys do not work for him, they work for the country and it's people first as a priority. To ask a white house attorney or intelligence head to lie to the people is breaking the law, and Trump does that as a rule.

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