One Political Plaza - Home of politics
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main
Have you ever noticed............
Page <prev 2 of 3 next>
Apr 17, 2019 23:23:54   #
Morgan
 
teabag09 wrote:
Because they aren't even close to following the Constitution as written. I pretty sure you won't understand that statement either. Mike


New York probably has more court cases than any other state in the country, now what do you think that means, do you possibly think the attorneys have gone through more cases and constitutional rights than any other to win their cases, yes it would, once again Mike your talking out of your arse.

Reply
Apr 18, 2019 00:52:18   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Well, first of all, most people don't realize that there are more words in the 2nd amendment than just "the rights of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed upon". Complete sentences and complete paragraphs are what communicates ideas and intent. That being said, what does the first part of the 2nd "being necessary for the security of the States" and " a well regulated m*****a " mean?
Well, first of all, most people don't realize that... (show quote)


You are correct except for this from Legal Information Institute;

In the 2008 case District of Columbia v. Heller, the Supreme Court held that the "Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a m*****a, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home."

A well regulated m*****a...a m*****a is voluntary service, and the volunteer MUST have their own arms in order to participate.

"A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Just say it backward...The right of the people (that's us) to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT BE
INFRINGED, in order to man a well regulated m*****a, when necessary for the security of a free state.

This makes it pretty easy to understand and in almost identical wording.

Reply
Apr 18, 2019 01:39:30   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
maximus wrote:
You are correct except for this from Legal Information Institute;

In the 2008 case District of Columbia v. Heller, the Supreme Court held that the "Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a m*****a, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home."

A well regulated m*****a...a m*****a is voluntary service, and the volunteer MUST have their own arms in order to participate.

"A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Just say it backward...The right of the people (that's us) to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT BE
INFRINGED, in order to man a well regulated m*****a, when necessary for the security of a free state.

This makes it pretty easy to understand and in almost identical wording.
You are correct except for this from Legal Informa... (show quote)


When the Second Amendment was ratified, and earlier under English law, every able-bodied man was expected to take up arms to protect his home, community, and state when needed and necessary; this was the definition of m*****a because security and personal safety was a god-given right.

http://constitution.com/declaration-causes-necessity-taking-arms/

Reply
Apr 18, 2019 02:56:23   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Ever notice that when the federal government requires States to do stuff we don't like, we're all about the independence of States and against Federal overreach, but when States do stuff we don't like - we want the federal government to step in and put a stop to it? You know, like whining about how the Fed required Title ix stuff to be applied - but wanted the Fed to tell States how to handle i******s. Yeah, like that. Either we want the Federal Government to stay out of our business, or we want them in our business (or should I say in YOUR business), it can't be both.

Ever notice that we pretend that our justice system is blind to color, race, religion or political party, only when we agree with the courts decisions? When we don't like their rulings, we accuse the judges of being activists if they're a member of the "other" party, or t*****rs if they belong to ours. Then, we crow like mad when we think our courts are full of folks who think like we do. We don't really want judges to follow the Constitution, we want them to interpret it to say what we want it to say.

Ever notice that we clamor about following the Constitution, as long as it agrees with what we want? To ensure that it always says what we want it to say, we do our level best to make sure that the highest courts in the land have partisans on the bench. We don't let the Constitution determine our ideology, we try to force the Constitution to conform to our ideology. Personally, I think that is indicative of a mental illness.

Ever notice that when v**es go how we like, our polling system is perfect, but when they don't, it MUST be due to v***r f***d and/or a messed up system? I've seen people react both ways.............in the same e******n cycle. How can we have 100% legitimate v**es...............and................v***r f***d occurring on the same b****t? This is just more evidence of a mental malady.
Ever notice that when the federal government requi... (show quote)


I don't care how a state handles it's own business. If California wants to roll out the welcome mat for wetbacks, fine. Just make sure the wetbacks and all the problems that go with them stay in California and don't affect anyone else. If New York wants to tax people to death, fine. Up until they get fed up and leave and come to my state and try and turn it into a little New York.
People from the Northeast, and the left coast are so damn arrogant in thinking that what they want, or what works (or what they THINK works) for them must surely be the best solution for everyone else.
The fact is that there is no one size fits all.

Reply
Apr 18, 2019 03:01:14   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Well, first of all, most people don't realize that there are more words in the 2nd amendment than just "the rights of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed upon". Complete sentences and complete paragraphs are what communicates ideas and intent. That being said, what does the first part of the 2nd "being necessary for the security of the States" and " a well regulated m*****a " mean?
Well, first of all, most people don't realize that... (show quote)


"A well-regulated M*****a being necessary to the security of a free state," is a prefatory clause. That is like saying " a reliable mode of t***sportation being necessary to having a job out of town..."

Reply
Apr 18, 2019 04:13:45   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
dtucker300 wrote:
When the Second Amendment was ratified, and earlier under English law, every able-bodied man was expected to take up arms to protect his home, community, and state when needed and necessary; this was the definition of m*****a because security and personal safety was a god-given right.

http://constitution.com/declaration-causes-necessity-taking-arms/


I agree.

Reply
Apr 18, 2019 08:50:39   #
Morgan
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
I don't care how a state handles it's own business. If California wants to roll out the welcome mat for wetbacks, fine. Just make sure the wetbacks and all the problems that go with them stay in California and don't affect anyone else. If New York wants to tax people to death, fine. Up until they get fed up and leave and come to my state and try and turn it into a little New York.
People from the Northeast, and the left coast are so damn arrogant in thinking that what they want, or what works (or what they THINK works) for them must surely be the best solution for everyone else.
The fact is that there is no one size fits all.
I don't care how a state handles it's own business... (show quote)


What you're not understanding is "experience" ...experience qualifies them, experience in dealing with large populations of people of all different backgrounds all the time, dealing with problems for years and learning by mistakes and then finding resolve.

When a parent gives advice to the child and the child refuses to consider it, who is the arrogant one? Anyone who is a parent knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Reply
 
 
Apr 18, 2019 09:19:31   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Morgan wrote:
What you're not understanding is "experience" ...experience qualifies them, experience in dealing with large populations of people of all different backgrounds all the time, dealing with problems for years and learning by mistakes and then finding resolve.

When a parent gives advice to the child and the child refuses to consider it, who is the arrogant one? Anyone who is a parent knows exactly what I'm talking about.


I understand that experience is most generally what you get when you don't get what you want. Good judgement is the result of experience. Experience is the result of bad judgement.

California has lots of experience. They obtained it the same way everyone else does, except they never got to the good judgement part.

Reply
Apr 18, 2019 10:32:32   #
teabag09
 
Morgan wrote:
What you're not understanding is "experience" ...experience qualifies them, experience in dealing with large populations of people of all different backgrounds all the time, dealing with problems for years and learning by mistakes and then finding resolve.

When a parent gives advice to the child and the child refuses to consider it, who is the arrogant one? Anyone who is a parent knows exactly what I'm talking about.


Well the left has tons of experience in screwing the pooch. Anywhere you look where an area is run by lefties you'll find shambles. Mike

Reply
Apr 18, 2019 14:31:06   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
California is almost gone. For all intents and purposes, it is gone, because Democrats now control the state.
I don't know if we can survive Gavin Newsome's term as Governor. The ones who have already left the state are taking their marbles with them because they refuse to play this game any longer. What will the socialists do when they run out of money from those who have it and earn it all decide to quit paying for everyone else. At least they still have the Hollywood liberals who seem more than willing to put up with and support this system. What happens when the rest of America decides to no longer support these elitists with their lavish lifestyle of Gomorrah?

Reply
Apr 19, 2019 07:23:23   #
Morgan
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
I understand that experience is most generally what you get when you don't get what you want. Good judgement is the result of experience. Experience is the result of bad judgement.

California has lots of experience. They obtained it the same way everyone else does, except they never got to the good judgement part.


Your contradiction in terms doesn't make sense. Experience is not from "bad" judgment, that is your belief. Not quite as sage like as you would like, lol. Just bias.

If one was to look for advice... let's say in dealing with the influx of a lot of t***sients, would one look to a place that knows how to handle millions of people or does one go to a Hoboken town who has one traffic light in town? THAT is experience.

Reply
Apr 19, 2019 07:30:29   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Morgan wrote:
Your contradiction in terms doesn't make sense. Experience is not from "bad" judgment, that is your belief. Not quite as sage like as you would like, lol. Just bias.

If one was to look for advice... let's say in dealing with the influx of a lot of t***sients, would one look to a place that knows how to handle millions of people or does one go to a Hoboken town who has one traffic light in town? THAT is experience.


If California knew how to handle lots of t***sients, they would not lead the country in welfare recipients, poverty and homelessness. Not just total numbers but per capita also.

Reply
Apr 19, 2019 07:37:01   #
Morgan
 
teabag09 wrote:
Well the left has tons of experience in screwing the pooch. Anywhere you look where an area is run by lefties you'll find shambles. Mike


Oh Contrare, who screwed the Pooch in two e******ns, who screwed the pooch causing the economic collapse of America, who has tried to subvert our e******ns...all from the right, what states put out more then they receive... blue states as NY and California, there are more blue states in the black than red.

Reply
Apr 19, 2019 07:41:13   #
Morgan
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
If California knew how to handle lots of t***sients, they would not lead the country in welfare recipients, poverty and homelessness. Not just total numbers but per capita also.


This is an old argument, weren't you there for that? Do you just like repeating things, I don't. California gets the largest amount of immigrants, but they still manage to stay in the black compared to 37 other states who receive more than they give.

Reply
Apr 19, 2019 07:48:21   #
Morgan
 
dtucker300 wrote:
California is almost gone. For all intents and purposes, it is gone, because Democrats now control the state.
I don't know if we can survive Gavin Newsome's term as Governor. The ones who have already left the state are taking their marbles with them because they refuse to play this game any longer. What will the socialists do when they run out of money from those who have it and earn it all decide to quit paying for everyone else. At least they still have the Hollywood liberals who seem more than willing to put up with and support this system. What happens when the rest of America decides to no longer support these elitists with their lavish lifestyle of Gomorrah?
California is almost gone. For all intents and pu... (show quote)


Nice comparison, let's also ask the same question of Texas as oil supports their state, this is maybe why the politicians coming out of Texas are so anti-g****l w*****g predictions, along now with Alaska who went from a beautiful preserve to an oil mining state, thanks to Trump kowtowing.

Reply
Page <prev 2 of 3 next>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main
OnePoliticalPlaza.com - Forum
Copyright 2012-2024 IDF International Technologies, Inc.