More of how the trump chumps are helping the working class (Page 3): Wow, that was quite the rant. But, no need to go to all the trouble. I know what I saw around me when obama was in...

CarryOn

permafrost wrote:

Wow, You were jobless, hopeless and with no option... (show quote)

Wow, that was quite the rant. But, no need to go to all the trouble.

I know what I saw around me when obama was in office. I saw two of my siblings struggle financially solely because of the passage of the ACA, as did many of their neighbors in their rural/small town community. It may have helped some people but it hurt a lot of people, too. That is a fact. And they suffered a double whammy due to the low unemployment, which in these small communities takes a great toll. Why do you think Trump got elected? Don't bother to answer. It would just be more delusional excuses because no one on the left wants to believe that the obama years were so dismal for a lot of middle America .. and, more importantly, no one else cared about middle America.

But, hey, I get it … from your comments:

Obama: everything good, utopia, people happy, riding unicorns and rainbows everywhere
orange man: everything bad, people dying in the streets, yada yada yada ,,

That's okay, perm. That's okay. You can just sit in your rocking chair with those blinders on all day long refusing to see anything except what you want to see. Because God forbid some inkling of the t***h might somehow get through.

jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin

byronglimish wrote:

Oh, we're not on a novice level here in Oregon with rain.

You folks may do your L**TKYGELLY parades in the rain, but here we just let the rain go by and then maybe, if not we'll go fishing.

I believe a union is between a man and a woman just to let you know lol KBG AKA Trumps world lol

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

permafrost wrote:

With no fanfare in early March, the Treasury Department issued a notice that allows employers to buy out current retirees from their pensions with a one-time lump sum payment. The decision reverses Obama-era guidance, issued in 2015, that had effectively banned the practice after officials determined that lump-sum payments often shortchanged seniors.

That sure sounds like a swampy thing to do.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

jimpack123 wrote:

I believe a union is between a man and a woman just to let you know lol KBG AKA Trumps world lol

So you opposed the big homosexuality and g****r disphoria agenda of Obama's.

It was so important to Obama that he dedicated a big portion of his last official speech to unnatural behavior.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

byronglimish wrote:

We're having rain on our snow...messy.

I h**e when that happens..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

CarryOn wrote:

Wow, that was quite the rant. But, no need to go ... (show quote)

A number of factors made trump go to the white house..

Did a single issue make the difference? I do not think so, never the less one of the biggest factors was her stupid campaign.. did not even show up in the rust states.. her fault? maybe, but the fools who ran her schedule must have been overdosing on dumb pills..

And I am curious, what general area of the country do you live? I really do understand that some areas did have a very hard time during the recession..

I should be honest with you, I do not own a rocking chair. one is in the basement with a busted rocker, but none that I could sit in.. all is not lost, I like sitting by the fire place far more and reading is my best past time...

Happy spring to you and good times for you and all your family..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

lpnmajor wrote:

That sure sounds like a swampy thing to do.

LOL,,,,It is indeed....

CarryOn

permafrost wrote:

A number of factors made trump go to the white hou... (show quote)

Agree that it was not a single issue, and hrc was definitely a bad candidate. But the negative effects of the ACA on small town America had a lot to do with the pro-Trump momentum that gave him the Presidency.

And because you came clean on that rocking chair thing, I will answer your question … born and raised … and still living in … the Show Me State. And I am old, so I have been here many years. Looking forward to spring, as I become less tolerant of the cold every year …. but my family is here, so ….. this is where I'll stay …

fullspinzoo

padremike wrote:

I'll leave that judgment to someone unknown to you. At least I've never c*********d Him as all Progressives must do.

Very well said, padre. That wisecrack came from a guy who has never stepped inside a church, like most Progressives. I enjoy your threads because they make sense. Again, nice subtle way to put this reprobate in his place!

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

CarryOn wrote:

Agree that it was not a single issue, and hrc was ... (show quote)

The Show Me State.. good place in my memory..

Yes, we do like being close to family.. I think I would be in a warmer location without them.
But can not imagine leaving them behind..

Us old guys are like that..

MR Mister Loc: Washington DC

jimpack123 wrote:

it says that I succeed at getting under your skin lol. This is a forum and 90% are right leaning or far right . I only go on this sight to give my view points. Most disagree with me but are civil about it. You can't but I don't care . when I log off you can go back to your padded room and take your Trump Meds. enjoy your day perhaps someday we can have a civil discussion till then bye

HUMMM, I must say I never saw a left give a civil discussion!

TrueAmerican

Kevyn wrote:

If you are over 60 and don’t have a pension you worked at the wrong place. Pensions are earned, they are part of an employees compensation package and when an employer doesn’t pay them it is no different than theft. Every time you see an octogenarian taking a fast food order or greeting people at a big box store instead of fishing with their grandkids it is clear indication that we desperately need a robust return of organized labor.

Ignorant people say stupid things !!!!!!

MR Mister Loc: Washington DC

Kevyn wrote:

If you are over 60 and don’t have a pension you worked at the wrong place. Pensions are earned, they are part of an employees compensation package and when an employer doesn’t pay them it is no different than theft. Every time you see an octogenarian taking a fast food order or greeting people at a big box store instead of fishing with their grandkids it is clear indication that we desperately need a robust return of organized labor.

Well, when I went out to dinner with friends who most worked for big companies like IBM or Continental Airlines and pay came up, I was double there pay, lol. So, today I own my house, two new cars, a 40-foot diesel pusher RV, zero debt. Try this, buy a new car 40k+ on a credit, I can. For your info, I was approached many times at my home by many Corporation people to work for them, never did.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

permafrost wrote:

With no fanfare in early March, the Treasury Department issued a notice that allows employers to buy out current retirees from their pensions with a one-time lump sum payment. The decision reverses Obama-era guidance, issued in 2015, that had effectively banned the practice after officials determined that lump-sum payments often shortchanged seniors.

You were doing just fine until you put the word 'Obama' in there. Now I'm all for it.

But really, what's wrong with selling your pension back to your employer if you want to? There's no law against it (and not likely to be), and in many instances, an individual has the ability to manage investment finances just fine. If they take that cash payout and blow it on wh**ever their heart desires, then they got what their heart desires. End of story, right?

Wonttakeitanymore

Another great job of debate against a lib troll padre!! My brother worked in construction, when he had to retire because of severe back injury the union said he no longer had insurance because two brothers that ran the health insurance absconded with all the money! Typical union demonrat mafia!