slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

http://www.military-money-matters.com/nam-pows.html

Pay special attention to (2), concerning some of the many lies told of John McCain's time in the Hanoi Hilton.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Thank you, Jim.

Flawed as John McCain was, he does not deserve much of the criticism directed at him.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Concerning the USS Forrester incident, a short excerpt from your above link...

"On the morning of July 29, 1967, McCain was sitting in the cockpit of his Skyhawk waiting to be launched by the ship’s catapult. Another plane accidentally set off a Zuni missile that hit the fuel tank of McCain’s A-4, touching off a fire that spread rapidly across the ship. McCain managed to escape injury, but 134 sailors died and many others were badly burned.

It was the worst U.S. Navy accident since World War Two and the fourth serious accident McCain had been involved in since becoming a pilot. His reputation for being a “hotdog”—a show-off pilot who broke the rules—led to rumors that McCain had caused the fire by trying to scare the pilot behind him by suddenly shooting flames out of his tail exhaust. There was no evidence McCain was at fault and the fire was ruled accidental. But the rumors persisted."

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

We stand as the Hockey nation of America....

Nordic in all that matters... and remember, viking is an occupation, not a nationality...

On a much more serious note, have you ever tried Russian beer?

had some at a house party long ago, can not recall its name of that it was good or bad.. must of been late in the day when I got a taste..

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Nailed it Mike.. I watched that same inquiry and Trump answered as he truly feels about McC...

He didn’t start it by any means yet the left will not correctly recite what took place as embellishing is more important for them..

Thanks for calling it!!!

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

As do I... Time to simply dismiss the man...

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Perhaps but I do think mccains history is established by the people that lived it with him and not much will change from here..

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Nope~~~

Fit2BTied Loc: Texas

Thank you. Never got this much detail before. Love how the left - who once h**ed him - and their allies on the right, are canonizing McCain because it helps with their anti-Trump agenda.

alabuck Loc: Tennessee

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Time’s long passed to dismiss Trumpet. Remember, his Vietnam was in avoiding STDs while being a playboy in the States. He said so himself. Now, that took a lot of courage; didn’t it.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Well yeah, some of that herpes and syphilis he avoided would melt the ball bearings out of your roller skates.

Well done "the Donald"

Mikeyavelli

Well done as well, Lord Byron.
I was spiking ties on a railroad construction crew when a 6 foot crowbar recoiled from a spike I was removing hit my left knee. So I switched my stance and tried again. And the bar hit me in the right knee.
Well soon after that I had to travel 60 miles to take my army draft physical.
At the end, we all lined up in our under shorts for a final review. My knees looked like grapefruits were attached. I was told to take two steps foewahd! and wait.
Then I got an examination from a doctor and went back with the rest of the kids thinking I was going to Nam.
Nope. 4F, women and blind children and me.
My knees are fine now, but they sure did look bad back then.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

A method of ingenuity!

Fit2BTied Loc: Texas

I'm going to try to make a point here, and we'll see how well I do. I'm a Vietnam era veteran who enlisted but never spent a day on Vietnamese soil because:
A. It was winding down.
B. Chance (maybe luck? who knows).

I respect the hell out of those who spent any time there or in any combat theater. And I respect everyone else who served because even in "peacetime", lives are lost, families are disrupted and broken up, 95% of us were certainly not doing it "for the Benjamins", and after taking a solemn oath, you performed your duty until your ETS (always some exceptions here). And those who chose NOT to serve were able to enjoy living in the greatest friggin' country the world has ever seen, free to pursue life, liberty, and happiness.

Here's the thing. I don't think we should demean anyone when it comes to serving in the military or not serving. There are just as many reasons that people choose to serve as there are reasons not to serve. During the draft years, many had few if any choices. Those folks had the dice rolled for them. Others had options (wealth, connections, wh**ever) and made use of them or didn't. Nearly every group of people, however you divide them contain those who would serve and those who would not.

For example, go through the list of those in the Senate. Very roughly 25% have military service in their backgrounds. Does that mean that 75% of the Senators are cowards? I don't think you can draw that conclusion.

Now I would single out Senator Richard Blumenthal for his stolen valor, but other than that...

President Trump has made no bones about the fact that he did not serve. That should be the end of it. There have been 12 Presidents who never served in the military (including Woodrow Wilson, Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, FDR, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama) and 4 more who did not see action (Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Quincy Adams, and James Polk). Some pretty good Presidents in those last 2 groups.

If you want to demean President Trump for not serving, the problem is yours, not his. He should be judged on his actions as President, and if you're a veteran maybe how he's treating the military. I have no complaints.

peg w

Mc Cainnis dead. Let him rest in peace