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What Do God & Jesus Say about Tolerance and Inclusion?
By David Jolly - March 20, 2019

Everywhere one turns these days, they hear about being tolerant to everyone else and to include everyone regardless of their ethnicity, religion or gender identification. We are told to accept everyone and anyone who doesn’t is called a hater, bigot, racist, homophobe, islamophobe and more.

It’s interesting to note here that those hollering the loudest for tolerance and inclusion are the most intolerant and exclusive of all when it comes to conservatives and Christians. When it comes to people like myself, who are politically very conservative and a devout conservative Christian, those calling for tolerance instantly reject me and often refuse to even listen to my views while trying push their own views on me. Basically, they demand that everyone be tolerant of them and their liberalism, socialism, Marxist, hedonism and Godless views, but woe to anyone who disagrees with them.

The ideas of tolerance and inclusion have also been infiltrating the Christian community. I’m sure you’ve all had someone identifying themselves as Christians saying that as Christians we are to love and respect everyone because that is what Christ taught. They use this to embrace and accept homosexuals along with ordaining homosexuals. I’ve even seen so-called Christian churches hold a joint worship service with Muslims, but they were careful not to say or do anything to offend the Muslims.

Yes, Jesus did teach love and told us to love our enemies, but He never told us to include our enemies into our homes or places of worship as equals. In fact, Jesus taught exclusion. How many times did He speak of separating the sheep from the goats, the wheat from chaff – believers from nonbelievers (Matthew 3:12; Matthew 13:24-30; Matthew 25:32-33; Luke 3:17).

Earlier is Scripture, we have some references of what God told us how He felt about inclusion and tolerance of those who do not believe the same as His people:

Deut. 7:1-4:

“When the Lord your God brings you into the land that you are entering to take possession of it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations more numerous and mightier than you, and when the Lord your God gives them over to you, and you defeat them, then you must devote them to complete destruction. You shall make no covenant with them and show no mercy to them. You shall not intermarry with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons, for they would turn away your sons from following me, to serve other gods. Then the anger of the Lord would be kindled against you, and he would destroy you quickly. But thus shall you deal with them: you shall break down their altars and dash in pieces their pillars and chop down their Asherim and burn their carved images with fire.” [emphasis mine]
Deut. 20:16-18:

“But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall devote them to complete destruction, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded, that they may not teach you to do according to all their abominable practices that they have done for their gods, and so you sin against the Lord your God.” [emphasis mine]
Deut. 30:15-18:

“See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil. If you obey the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you today, by loving the Lord your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it. But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them, I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess.”

When I have brought these versus up to so-called Christians, who defend tolerance and inclusion in the name of Jesus, they instantly say that the Law of the Old Testament no longer governs us because Jesus fulfilled the Law. That’s when I point out to them that Jesus stated in His Sermon on the Mount – Matthew 5:17-19:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
The New Testament calls us to set ourselves apart from the world and not to be part of this world:

John 15:18-19:

“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.”

Romans: 12:2:

“Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.”
It is clear and plain that neither God nor Jesus ever taught tolerance or inclusion and neither did any of those whom God inspired to write His teachings.

Therefore, those who profess to be Christians who support tolerance and inclusion are wrong and are rejecting the teachings of God and Jesus. Tolerance and inclusion are NOT biblical and should never be embraced, especially when justified on erroneous understandings of Scripture.

Rose42

Good post bahmer. Something Christians need to remember. It doesn't mean we can't be at peace with them but we cannot condone false religions.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

So all Christians should take up arms and slaughter the unbelievers?

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

We are, afterall, called deplorable. What could be more deplorable than to slaughter all unbelievers? As a Deploracus surely you can understand the logic. Kill all the unbelievers. Then Christians are free to kill those who believe differently. Then, when only one Christian faith is left it makes room for one person to deviate from normal, claim a better way, and we can start the process all over again. Maybe we're better off leaving things like they are and work to improve what we already have? It's never a question of God losing. It is a question of people losing God.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Actually, Canuckus, a group declaring themselves to be the one true church of Jesus Christ on earth has already tried that.

They killed hundreds of thousands in cold blood, but were unable to destroy Jesus' "little flock" of followers who denied their extra-Biblical doctrines, and refused to submit to them.

The Inquisition was a group of institutions within the government system of the Catholic Church whose goal was to destroy all they perceived to be heretics. It started in 12th-century France to combat religious dissent, in particular the Cathars and the Waldensians. Other groups later included the Spiritual Franciscans, the Hussites (followers of Jan Hus) and the Beguines. Beginning in the 1250s, inquisitors were generally chosen from members of the Dominican Order. The term Medieval Inquisition covers these courts up to mid-15th century.

During the Late Middle Ages and the early Renaissance, the concept and scope of the Inquisition significantly expanded in response to the Protestant Reformation and the Catholic Counter-Reformation. It expanded to other European countries, resulting in the Spanish Inquisition and Portuguese Inquisition. The Spanish and Portuguese operated inquisitorial courts throughout their empires in Africa, Asia, and the Americas (resulting in the Peruvian Inquisition and Mexican Inquisition). The Spanish and Portuguese inquisitions focused particularly on the issue of Jewish anusim and Muslim converts to Catholicism, partly because these minority groups were more numerous in Spain and Portugal than in many other parts of Europe, and partly because they were often considered suspect due to the assumption that they had secretly reverted to their previous religions.

With the exception of the Papal States, the institution of the Inquisition was abolished in the early 19th century, after the Napoleonic Wars in Europe and the Spanish American wars of independence in the Americas. The institution has survived as part of the Roman Curia, but in 1908 it was renamed the "Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office". In 1965 it became the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. It is still there waiting in the wings.

When a suspect was convicted of unrepentant heresy, the inquisitorial tribunal was required by law to hand the person over to the secular authorities for final sentencing, at which point a magistrate would determine the penalty, which was usually burning at the stake although the penalty varied based on local law.

The 1578 edition of the Directorium Inquisitorum (a standard Inquisitorial manual) spelled out the purpose of inquisitorial penalties: ... quoniam punitio non refertur primo & per se in correctionem & bonum eius qui punitur, sed in bonum publicum ut alij terreantur, & a malis committendis avocentur (translation: "... for punishment does not take place primarily and per se for the correction and good of the person punished, but for the public good in order that others may become terrified and weaned away from the evils they would commit").

It sounds like it meets today's criteria for being declared deliberate acts of terrorism.

Such is the true record of "tradition" so proudly defended today.

Gleaned from Wikipedia

bahmer

Amen and Amen

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

"Off we go into the wild blue yonder, again, and again and again." To what tradition do you credit Protestant atrocities in the burning of their own heretics for their own made up heresies and the persecution of catholics in Europe? Thousands and thousands lost their heads or were burned up. You hung witches in America. No Christians have experienced persecution like the Orthodox and it continues today in the Middle East but it made them stronger. You ever hear of them dwelling the past every day in living color like you do? Nope! You, on the other hand, believe it your calling to persecute Catholics and convert Protestants to your particular strange sect of Protestantism. Under whose authority are you acting? The answer is, your own! That's not a legitimate authority.

Now for clarification of Holy Tradition, the Truth, not your lie. Holy Tradition means to pass on exactly that faith once delivered by Christ to the Apostles. Christ did not pass on the atrocities, the evils and wrongs sinful men have committed in His name.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

padre, you'll have to go alone.

I'm tired of your drama Queen dramatics.

First, the conversion of others is God's work. Only God can draw men's souls after the Holy Spirit convicts them of their sin. So says the Holy Book of God.

2nd, I Have never persecuted anyone,

3rd, nor am I a protestant. The term is obsolete. Only those who were alive in the 15th century to protest and oppose the attempted destruction of the original message of Jesus Christ fit that title.

4th, I've never hung anyone, nor have I any interest in wielding authority. Having just posted historical facts, and a website source, I'm waiting for a source of your claim that Christians known as Protestants in any way, scope or volume, ever matched such atrocities.

They had no governmental structure or army with which to do so, had they been so possessed by the hunger for worldly power and avarice, aka, greed as was Rome.

Jesus condemned men's tradition, that would be all of it.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

This is excellent, bahmer,

Tolerance is accepting free speech for all men, but NOT being forced to accept their message as if it were God's truth.

Neither can we include in our worship those who worship idols of their own making.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

You need to read the admonition in the book of Revelation to those who misuse the Scriptures. That goes for both the left AND the right. There is a sin unto the second death........which means having one's name removed from the Book of Life.

bahmer

And so how did David Jolly misuse the scriptures in this article. I am sure that you can point out the errors that he made in his assessment regarding this topic right. Please enlighten us.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

If ignorance is bliss your life must be a brilliant kaleidoscope of sunshine, lollipops and rainbows everywhere. (Beware of the earworm)

No drama queen here, I'm a natural male, ordained in valid apostolic succession. Your own credentials? Not a Protestant? The term is obsolete you claim? I knew you were out there, lady, but I never realized you were quite that far out! That you are not aware of the thousands of people Protestants murdered in protecting their faith from one another speaks loudly that you only read the happy parts of your history or the revised addition. You don't know about Protestant governments and their military? Really? Your history is sorely lacking. Jesus did condemn some of the traditions of men, specifically some sanctioned by the Pharisees. The apostles told us to keep to the Christian traditions they taught and to remember who their teachers were. Those teachers were the Apostles whom Jesus spent the "majority" of his ministry teaching and training to continue His ministry. When you deny the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church you are, in fact, denying the apostolic teachings of Christ. No one will ever change this faith. Jesus promised it would last untill the end of time. Fight as much as you wish but it will always remain. You might someday wish to consider the difference between doubt and outright denial. But that's just a suggestion since you're free to believe anything you want.

Rose42

Zemirah is far from ignorant especially when it comes to Christianity. That's all that needs to be said.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Another excellent post...
And I strongly agree with your last statement...

Hope you had a good day Padre...

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

That, again, is only your opinion which is understandable since her understanding of the faith and your own are similar. I am perfectly content to leave it there but when the ancient faith and practice of the Christian Church are attacked I am not obliged to keep my own peace and not respond.