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Mar 14, 2019 23:06:55   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
There are possibly an infinite number of universes so if one exists where things are just right, then why does it seem there must be outside intervention?

Science doesn't deny the mystery, but it also doesn't simply say, it must be god.
I said "intelligence", not "god". Does the name we give it even matter?

The Universe had a beginning. Hubble's red shift discovery has shown that the Universe is expanding out of a singularity around 13 billion years ago. All matter and energy we are aware of came from that singular event.

Something cannot begin to exist in the physical universe without a cause (Something out of nothing). Since our universe had a beginning, and everything in it exists, what caused this?

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Mar 15, 2019 00:12:00   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
I said "intelligence", not "god". Does the name we give it even matter?

The Universe had a beginning. Hubble's red shift discovery has shown that the Universe is expanding out of a singularity around 13 billion years ago. All matter and energy we are aware of came from that singular event.

Something cannot begin to exist in the physical universe without a cause (Something out of nothing). Since our universe had a beginning, and everything in it exists, what caused this?
I said "intelligence", not "god&quo... (show quote)


Who knows? It is what it is. It may be something totally different. It may be imaginary. I doubt we will ever know.

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Mar 15, 2019 00:19:54   #
Radiance3
 
Nickolai wrote:
That's just a bunch or words on paper has nothing to do with reality and it is a fictional tale


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You must be one of Satan's siblings.

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Mar 15, 2019 09:15:34   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
I said "intelligence", not "god". Does the name we give it even matter?

The Universe had a beginning. Hubble's red shift discovery has shown that the Universe is expanding out of a singularity around 13 billion years ago. All matter and energy we are aware of came from that singular event.

Something cannot begin to exist in the physical universe without a cause (Something out of nothing). Since our universe had a beginning, and everything in it exists, what caused this?
I said "intelligence", not "god&quo... (show quote)


I know there is a creator; But Carlin took "religiosity" to task; and funny as always. Good for laughs
https://youtu.be/8r-e2NDSTuE

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Mar 15, 2019 11:26:05   #
JediKnight
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Nothing begins to exist in this universe without a purpose, a reason for its existence. Who or what established the purpose of the four fundamental forces and determined their precise magnitudes, dimensions, and finely tuned interactions?

The four fundamental forces combined with the rest of the Universal Constants have always presented a dilemma for secular scientists, they have attempted many times and in many ways to scientifically refute the idea that the universe is finely tuned so that life can exist. Out of all possible combinations of matter, energy, and forces, and all possible magnitudes and dimensions for each of them with which to build a universe, who or what chose the only combination in which life could exist?

As an example, Let's consider just the four fundamental forces.

If the strong nuclear force was a unit of magnitude larger than it is, no hydrogen would form; atomic nuclei for most life-essential elements would be unstable; thus, no life chemistry. I this force was smaller, no elements heavier than hydrogen would form: again, no life chemistry

If the weak nuclear force was a unit of magnitude larger, too much hydrogen would have converted to helium in the big bang; hence, stars would convert too much matter into heavy elements making life chemistry impossible. If this force was smaller: too little helium would have emerged from the big bang; hence, stars would convert too little matter into heavy elements making life chemistry impossible.

If the gravitational force was a unit of magnitude larger: stars would be too hot and would burn too rapidly and too unevenly for life chemistry. If smaller: stars would be too cool to ignite nuclear fusion; thus, many of the elements needed for life chemistry would never form.

If the electromagnetic force was a unit of magnitude greater: chemical bonding would be disrupted; elements more massive than boron would be unstable to fission. If lesser: chemical bonding would be insufficient for life chemistry.

The odds are beyond astronomical that this came to be by some random chance, there is an intelligence behind this, and that intelligence had a purpose. Life is a far too beautiful a thing, far too complex and mysterious, to think that we are the result of time plus matter plus chance. If we are nothing more than chemistry and physics in motion, then we have no intrinsic worth--our worth then is determined by the state or by an extrinsic entity.
Nothing begins to exist in this universe without a... (show quote)


I agree with the "science" of your posts. Here's a simpler method to express all that you have said:

"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved above the waters. And God said, "Let there be light, and it was so. God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. God called the light 'day' and the darkness He called 'night.' And the evening and the morning were the first day."- Genesis 1 // Everything that exists -both seen and unseen - is created by God. Therefore, all science, matter, logic, ill-logic, reasoning, understanding and intelligence is made possible by God....and there is no other like He. period.

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Mar 15, 2019 12:23:12   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
eagleye13 wrote:
I know there is a creator; But Carlin took "religiosity" to task; and funny as always. Good for laughs
https://youtu.be/8r-e2NDSTuE


I didn't watch but a short time of it and I gotta disagree with ya on this one I couldn't see anything funny about it and thought it was tasteless !

Now that's just my take on it for what's it's worth !

Now I'm sure ole Nicky would love it !

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Mar 15, 2019 12:23:31   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
JediKnight wrote:
I agree with the "science" of your posts. Here's a simpler method to express all that you have said:

"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved above the waters. And God said, "Let there be light, and it was so. God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. God called the light 'day' and the darkness He called 'night.' And the evening and the morning were the first day."- Genesis 1 // Everything that exists -both seen and unseen - is created by God. Therefore, all science, matter, logic, ill-logic, reasoning, understanding and intelligence is made possible by God....and there is no other like He. period.
I agree with the "science" of your posts... (show quote)



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Mar 15, 2019 13:37:54   #
Nickolai
 
JediKnight wrote:
I agree with the "science" of your posts. Here's a simpler method to express all that you have said:

"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved above the waters. And God said, "Let there be light, and it was so. God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. God called the light 'day' and the darkness He called 'night.' And the evening and the morning were the first day."- Genesis 1 // Everything that exists -both seen and unseen - is created by God. Therefore, all science, matter, logic, ill-logic, reasoning, understanding and intelligence is made possible by God....and there is no other like He. period.
I agree with the "science" of your posts... (show quote)






John Gottfried Eichhorn has been called the ‘Father of Old Testament Criticism’. He believed that the Bible was a product of human initiative, without divine intervention. Eichhorn was the first to apply the term ‘myth’ to biblical studies, and he argued that the Genesis accounts of creation and the Flood were just like the fables in other cultures. During the 1820s, in lectures to theological students at Göttingen, Germany, he ridiculed miraculous events in the Bible, several years before Darwin embarked on the Beagle.

At around the same time, German theologian David Strauss studied the philosopher Hegel, who had said that Christian theology was symbolic and that it simply anticipated the evolution of a single, infinite, spiritual life unfolding in the history of mankind. In 1835, Strauss published The Life of Jesus Critically Examined. In it he argued that the supernatural elements found in the gospels were due to stories that arose after Jesus’ death; the miracles were not history but religious symbols. The book caused a sensation in Germany and cost Strauss his career.However within a few decades the book was being widely accepted and is now regarded as a brilliant and important work by liberal theologians.

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Mar 15, 2019 14:08:11   #
JediKnight
 
Nickolai wrote:
John Gottfried Eichhorn has been called the ‘Father of Old Testament Criticism’. He believed that the Bible was a product of human initiative, without divine intervention. Eichhorn was the first to apply the term ‘myth’ to biblical studies, and he argued that the Genesis accounts of creation and the Flood were just like the fables in other cultures. During the 1820s, in lectures to theological students at Göttingen, Germany, he ridiculed miraculous events in the Bible, several years before Darwin embarked on the Beagle.

At around the same time, German theologian David Strauss studied the philosopher Hegel, who had said that Christian theology was symbolic and that it simply anticipated the evolution of a single, infinite, spiritual life unfolding in the history of mankind. In 1835, Strauss published The Life of Jesus Critically Examined. In it he argued that the supernatural elements found in the gospels were due to stories that arose after Jesus’ death; the miracles were not history but religious symbols. The book caused a sensation in Germany and cost Strauss his career.However within a few decades the book was being widely accepted and is now regarded as a brilliant and important work by liberal theologians.
John Gottfried Eichhorn has been called the ‘Fath... (show quote)


Nicolai: God anticipated the very thing you wrote about. Jesus taught "be ware of the wolves in sheep's clothing" and "many will come claiming to be me and in my name." Where do you suppose these "great thinkers" you wrote about got their 'intelligence and ability to think' from? How can someone be called a "theologian" and yet claim that God is not real? Was Strauss there when Jesus performed the miracles recorded in the scriptures? Search your own inner feelings, question yourself as to "why does this even matter" when you consider the 'myths' or symbology presented as fact by others. What you will discover is a t***h so amazing that most are simply left in awe when they realize it; that t***h is: God lives inside of you, me, and all of His creation. No denial, disbelief, ranting or raving against God's word will prevail. Have you ever wondered -despite all the 'nay-sayers' the Bible remains the number one best seller of all time, produced in more languages than any other book, and has been t***slated and printed more than any other book in the world? Consider this: if God is actually real (and indeed He is), accepting Him (in the form of Christ Jesus) and trying His ways costs you absolutely nothing - while denying Him and His ways will one day cost you eternity. Do you really want to take the chance of missing out on spending eternity with God in peace and harmony where death, pain, heartache, hunger, and illness no longer exist? Do you want to miss out on re-uniting with all of your loved ones and friends because you thought "believing in Him to be silly?" Search your heart and mind....although you seem to be wavering on a ledge, God does in deed love you and desires that you be saved - but He gives you the 'choice' and will not force Himself upon you like man would. If you would seriously ask Him to "make himself known to you" He will do it. Just don't expect a 'parting of the sea or bright light to surround you' because God chooses how He will reveal Himself to man. If you ask seriously God will make Himself known in such a way that not even you can doubt it. It costs you nothing except the asking.

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Mar 15, 2019 14:21:44   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
4430 wrote:
I didn't watch but a short time of it and I gotta disagree with ya on this one I couldn't see anything funny about it and thought it was tasteless !

Now that's just my take on it for what's it's worth !

Now I'm sure ole Nicky would love it !


Carlin even knocked God. Not a good move, but he brought out the BS that non-believers can mock.
Things like "Hell" as it is described by many Faiths/doctrines.

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Mar 15, 2019 14:28:43   #
JediKnight
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Who knows? It is what it is. It may be something totally different. It may be imaginary. I doubt we will ever know.


Answer: "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved above the waters. And God said, "Let there be light, and it was so. God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. God called the light 'day' and the darkness He called 'night.' And the evening and the morning were the first day."- Genesis 1 // Everything that exists -both seen and unseen - is created by God. Therefore, all science, matter, logic, ill-logic, reasoning, understanding and intelligence is made possible by God....and there is no other like He. period.

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Mar 15, 2019 14:47:24   #
Iliamna1
 
4430 wrote:
I didn't watch but a short time of it and I gotta disagree with ya on this one I couldn't see anything funny about it and thought it was tasteless !

Now that's just my take on it for what's it's worth !

Now I'm sure ole Nicky would love it !


Yea. I turned it off after about 45 seconds. It was totally tasteless and he shows a lot of antipathy and misunderstanding about what is going on spiritually, both in his life and in Christians.

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Mar 15, 2019 14:55:17   #
Nickolai
 
JediKnight wrote:
Nicolai: God anticipated the very thing you wrote about. Jesus taught "be ware of the wolves in sheep's clothing" and "many will come claiming to be me and in my name." Where do you suppose these "great thinkers" you wrote about got their 'intelligence and ability to think' from? How can someone be called a "theologian" and yet claim that God is not real? Was Strauss there when Jesus performed the miracles recorded in the scriptures? Search your own inner feelings, question yourself as to "why does this even matter" when you consider the 'myths' or symbology presented as fact by others. What you will discover is a t***h so amazing that most are simply left in awe when they realize it; that t***h is: God lives inside of you, me, and all of His creation. No denial, disbelief, ranting or raving against God's word will prevail. Have you ever wondered -despite all the 'nay-sayers' the Bible remains the number one best seller of all time, produced in more languages than any other book, and has been t***slated and printed more than any other book in the world? Consider this: if God is actually real (and indeed He is), accepting Him (in the form of Christ Jesus) and trying His ways costs you absolutely nothing - while denying Him and His ways will one day cost you eternity. Do you really want to take the chance of missing out on spending eternity with God in peace and harmony where death, pain, heartache, hunger, and illness no longer exist? Do you want to miss out on re-uniting with all of your loved ones and friends because you thought "believing in Him to be silly?" Search your heart and mind....although you seem to be wavering on a ledge, God does in deed love you and desires that you be saved - but He gives you the 'choice' and will not force Himself upon you like man would. If you would seriously ask Him to "make himself known to you" He will do it. Just don't expect a 'parting of the sea or bright light to surround you' because God chooses how He will reveal Himself to man. If you ask seriously God will make Himself known in such a way that not even you can doubt it. It costs you nothing except the asking.
Nicolai: God anticipated the very thing you wrote ... (show quote)







What your doing is equating nature with god as though nature is god but nature is natural and gods are supernatural. I or Nobody can say there is no god anymore than you can say there is, since there is no proof outside the bible that there is. How can you belief the bible stories when there is no known author. The writers of it are unknown. At the same time there is a mountain of evidence that would suggest that the idea of an all knowing, all powerful, and omnipresent god is highly unlikely

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Mar 15, 2019 15:10:48   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Carlin even knocked God. Not a good move, but he brought out the BS that non-believers can mock.
Things like "Hell" as it is described by many Faiths/doctrines.


I admit I didn't watch very much of it !

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Mar 15, 2019 15:11:24   #
JediKnight
 
Nickolai wrote:
What your doing is equating nature with god as though nature is god but nature is natural and gods are supernatural. I or Nobody can say there is no god anymore than you can say there is, since there is no proof outside the bible that there is. How can you belief the bible stories when there is no known author. The writers of it are unknown. At the same time there is a mountain of evidence that would suggest that the idea of an all knowing, all powerful, and omnipresent god is highly unlikely
What your doing is equating nature with god as tho... (show quote)


What you seem to be doing is trying your best to confuse, misinterpret, or misunderstand. God created all things -which of course includes nature. I know there is God because He makes himself known to me, and resides within me. You can call me a liar because you don't understand, but that does not make what you say about God true. How can you say the bible has no 'known authors' when each book begins with a synopsis of who is believed to have written it, during what time period, and why it was written? Why do you believe Mark Twain wrote "Huckleberry Finn" and "Tom Sawyer"(?) because his name and picture are on the book -since you probably were not there to witness it first hand. Why would you believe any other theory that says God is not real with no proof of that claim? Here's the thing: I shared with you a very simple way to have your question about God's existence answered first hand by God himself, yet you respond with the same simple nonsense and disbelief that you have carried on with for years -putting your own eternal life in danger. Why are you so afraid to find God for yourself? Do you think that some wrong you did in the past makes you "unacceptable" to God? Do you think that for some reason God could not possibly love and accept you, flaws and all like He does the rest of us? If so, you are so very wrong. The bible is filled with stories and examples of how God loves us so much that He is not only willing to forgive our sins, but has also promised not to hold our sins against us once we accept Christ as Lord. Out of all the characters mentioned in the bible, realize that there were only two who had done 'no wrong' in God's eyes - Enoch and Jesus....yet that fact did not stop God from using each person mentioned to do great works for mankind and thereby prove the very existence of God. What proof can you offer that He doesn't exist -just because you don't think so? Have you ever considered that old saying "a billion Chinese can't be wrong?"

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