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Mar 13, 2019 17:04:45   #
Iliamna1
 
The theory of evolution requires a lot more faith than believing in Intelligent Design.

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Mar 13, 2019 18:54:50   #
Nickolai
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Though scientists have tried repeatedly to recreate the environmental conditions--the Primordial Soup--in an effort to produce a living cell, every attempt has failed. In these experiments some amino acids were produced, but no living cell ever formed.

If you assume that a 24 hour clock represents the age of the universe, where 0000 is the moment of creation and 2400 is today, the fossil record shows that throughout the first 23 hours, nothing more than single cell organisms existed. Then, at around 2300 hours, came the Cambrian Explosion, a phenomenal event that lasted 2 minutes on our clock, in which thousands of complex, fully developed life forms suddenly appeared. The fossils of these life forms cannot be traced back on an evolutionary tree, their sudden appearance all over the earth has no explanation.

You have thrown all your eggs in the basket of science, yet there are many many things that science cannot explain. Science can't explain even simple things, like why humans and animals yawn or why we need sleep.

There is a huge blank spot in Darwin's theory of evolution--Consciousness, self-awareness. Since old Charley Darwin did not account for it in his theories, the questions I would ask him is how and why are humans the only living beings on earth who are self-aware, who can actually study and research and learn about their own existence? Where did this phenomenal ability, this level of intelligence, come from? Considering our ability to make decisions, to make choices, to exercise free will, to believe in one thing and reject another, to love and h**e, to acknowledge our individuality, to give ourselves and all things a name, an identity, meaning, to forever remain curious about our lives and our world, to sing, dance, play, work, invent, make things, build things, create things, to explore, learn, teach, and so on, considering all this, how did self aware consciousness and all its wonderful attributes, abilities and sk**ls evolve from a single cell organism? What was in the Primordial Soup that caused this to happen? Darwin and the theories of evolution have no answer.
Though scientists have tried repeatedly to recreat... (show quote)





Ever since Charles Darwin published On the Origin of Species in 1859, evolution has been the grand unifying theory of biology. Yet one of our most important biological traits, consciousness, is rarely studied in the context of evolution. Theories of consciousness come from religion, from philosophy, from cognitive science, but not so much from evolutionary biology. Maybe that’s why so few theories have been able to tackle basic questions such as: What is the adaptive value of consciousness? When did it evolve and what animals have it? The Attention Schema Theory (AST), developed over the past five years, may be able to answer those questions. The theory suggests that consciousness arises as a solution to one of the most fundamental problems facing any nervous system: Too much information constantly flows in to be fully processed. The brain evolved increasingly sophisticated mechanisms for deeply processing a few select signals at the expense of others, and in the AST, consciousness is the ultimate result of that evolutionary sequence. If the theory is right—and that has yet to be determined—then consciousness evolved gradually over the past half billion years and is present in a range of vertebrate species.

Universities, respectively) outline a number of ideas about why Cambrian animals changed so much during a geologically short period of time. Scientist reasonably conclude that we should consider multiple causes acting simultaneously, rather than an point to early Cambrian sea level rise as a major factor. Geologists have long known that worldwide sea level surged during the Cambrian, drowning low-lying continental areas to create shallow seas of the kind that, in today’s environment, teem with life.

What would a rise in sea level during the Cambrian accomplish? Smith and Harper note that “sea-level rise would have generated a very large habitable area lying between the base of wave turbulence.” Additionally, Cambrian flooding would release nutrients such as phosph**e and calcium, which would aid the formation of hard shells.

The Cambrian explosion is certainly no Argument for a God who watches everything we do and would throw us in a hell hire and brimstone if we do not have believe in his son, but loves us, has a plan for us, listens to our prayers, and guides our destiny.

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Mar 13, 2019 18:56:57   #
Nickolai
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
The theory of evolution requires a lot more faith than believing in Intelligent Design.






If you believe that hen you don't know much about evolution. The foundation of biology is evolution it is not theory it is fact

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Mar 13, 2019 19:39:22   #
Iliamna1
 
I started off majoring in forestry and land management and completed my freshman year at the College of Great Falls (now named the University of Great Falls) with the intent to t***sfer to the University of Montana the following year. My mother remarried, and my step-father was t***sferred to San Antonio. My parents could not afford the out-of-state tuition that we would now have had to pay, soooo I switched to pharmacy with the intent of doing biomedical research. I ended up attending the University of Texas and got to the end of my junior year (pharmacy then was a five-year course, now it's six). I so loathed being confined between the narrow shelves filling prescriptions during the mandatory pre-graduation internship, I knew that was not for me. Soooo I switched to nursing. I guess you could say I was a professional student at the time. All my courses were added up and I have the equivalent of completed majors in biology, chemistry and biochemistry as well as a bachelor of science in nursing plus I later earned 14 hours toward a master's (which I stopped pursuing) as I had found my 'place' working in intensive care for over 40 years.
DON'T EVER TELL ME I DON'T KNOW BIOLOLGY ! ! ! You cut and paste from 'experts' in their fields. I haven't needed to.

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Mar 13, 2019 20:23:47   #
Carol Kelly
 
bahmer wrote:
Amen and Amen atheists will never be satisfied it is like the L***Q groups that wanted e******y and they are now shoving it down every Christians throat all the while shouting take this and this and this as loud as they can.


Amen, Bahmer.

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Mar 13, 2019 21:08:58   #
Nickolai
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
I started off majoring in forestry and land management and completed my freshman year at the College of Great Falls (now named the University of Great Falls) with the intent to t***sfer to the University of Montana the following year. My mother remarried, and my step-father was t***sferred to San Antonio. My parents could not afford the out-of-state tuition that we would now have had to pay, soooo I switched to pharmacy with the intent of doing biomedical research. I ended up attending the University of Texas and got to the end of my junior year (pharmacy then was a five-year course, now it's six). I so loathed being confined between the narrow shelves filling prescriptions during the mandatory pre-graduation internship, I knew that was not for me. Soooo I switched to nursing. I guess you could say I was a professional student at the time. All my courses were added up and I have the equivalent of completed majors in biology, chemistry and biochemistry as well as a bachelor of science in nursing plus I later earned 14 hours toward a master's (which I stopped pursuing) as I had found my 'place' working in intensive care for over 40 years.
DON'T EVER TELL ME I DON'T KNOW BIOLOLGY ! ! ! You cut and paste from 'experts' in their fields. I haven't needed to.
I started off majoring in forestry and land manage... (show quote)








I didn't say you don't know biology I said if you think Evolution requires more faith than intelligent design
you dont know much about evolution. Dr Richard Dawkins, in the last chapter of his book "The Blind Watchmaker" examines all the theories of life on earth, theories that can be considered as rivals to the Darwinian theory of evolution by natural se******n. From Lamarckianism, through mutationism and neutralism to creationism, Dawkins makes a detailed scrutiny of each theory and finds none even come close to Darwin's theory in explaining the complexity and design of natural life as exists, today, on planet Earth. ButI Still have the wquestion that beggs an answer " WHY " If there were an intelligent designer going , I think I'll make a desert --poof-shazam.

Now it'll need some rattle snakes and spiders, a couple, scorpions, then i'll go a few hundred miles and make a swamp with some funny looking trees some gators ,some mocisins, some mosquitos and while I'm at it I'll make 3,500 species of them for diferent parts of the worlds other swamps and why mabe some beetles I'll make 300,000 species of them and lets
see why make a mammal ? I'll make 2,500 species of them --poof shazam-- the eazy way, Oh and can't forget some parasites ,millions of species in fact I'll make them th majorty of life --poof shazam--" WHY "

Why go to all that trouble and why-- even withthe millions of species that exist 99.9 % of all things that have ever lived gone extinct????????

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Mar 13, 2019 21:52:15   #
Iliamna1
 
We are not going to agree. I'm reminded of the four blind men who were taken to 'see' an elephant.
One, on grabbing the tail, claimed it was just like a rope. The next one found a leg and proclaimed it to be a tree. Another found the side and said it was like a wall and the last found an ear and proclaimed it was like a piece of paper. The same data you cite can also be interpreted to support Intelligent Design.
I'm shutting my notepad down now as I have to get up early. It's strawberry season and a group of us are going to Plant City to go to a quilt show and buy some flats of strawberries.
Hmmmmm . . If there's a quilt, do you think there might be a quilter?

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Mar 13, 2019 22:29:08   #
Nickolai
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
We are not going to agree. I'm reminded of the four blind men who were taken to 'see' an elephant.
One, on grabbing the tail, claimed it was just like a rope. The next one found a leg and proclaimed it to be a tree. Another found the side and said it was like a wall and the last found an ear and proclaimed it was like a piece of paper. The same data you cite can also be interpreted to support Intelligent Design.
I'm shutting my notepad down now as I have to get up early. It's strawberry season and a group of us are going to Plant City to go to a quilt show and buy some flats of strawberries.
Hmmmmm . . If there's a quilt, do you think there might be a quilter?
We are not going to agree. I'm reminded of the fo... (show quote)

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Mar 13, 2019 22:34:16   #
Nickolai
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
We are not going to agree. I'm reminded of the four blind men who were taken to 'see' an elephant.
One, on grabbing the tail, claimed it was just like a rope. The next one found a leg and proclaimed it to be a tree. Another found the side and said it was like a wall and the last found an ear and proclaimed it was like a piece of paper. The same data you cite can also be interpreted to support Intelligent Design.
I'm shutting my notepad down now as I have to get up early. It's strawberry season and a group of us are going to Plant City to go to a quilt show and buy some flats of strawberries.
Hmmmmm . . If there's a quilt, do you think there might be a quilter?
We are not going to agree. I'm reminded of the fo... (show quote)





Since billions of species of life has existed and 99,9 % are extinct The designer had keep designing and creating new species. There is no goal or finished product we are still evolving 100 years from now people will have bent necks and elongated thumbs from texting

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Mar 14, 2019 10:51:26   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
JediKnight wrote:
Okay...so which theory claims that "the universe was created by a huge explosion of an atom in space" and "that man evolved from the primate apes?" Isn't that part of Darwin's "Theory of Evolution?"


No to both. The big bang theory postulates that the universe was born of an "explosion" which created our universe's matter and energy. The theory of evolution says that current species have a common ancestor, therefore humans could not have come from apes.

I always recommend that anyone who is critical of evolutionary theory should learn all about it first. I was raised in pretty in depth bible education and also have multiple degrees in science. There are criticisms to be made in all areas of thought and philosophy, but before we get too critical and start making unsubstantiated assumptions, learn about it and don't just repeat by-lines and talking points that one would see or hear throughout the interwaves.

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Mar 14, 2019 10:52:27   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Kazudy wrote:
That's the way I understand Darwin's THEORY.


See my reply to the Jedi.

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Mar 14, 2019 11:15:34   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
JediKnight wrote:
When confronted with base logic submersed in t***h many will flee to the hills. Despite man's repeated failed attempts to "play God" you still have to wonder "where did that first atom come from" and "why, even after thousands of years is there no current proof that man evolved from apes?" If that had any t***h in it, then there should be some "half ape-man" out there going through the change. I guess that's why the myth of "Bigfoot" continues to linger.
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LOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Spoken like someone not educated in evolutionary theory. I always have to ask, what would a half ape-man even look like and why would it have to still exist. If you are referring to t***sitional species and fossils, there are literally hundreds in virtually all ancestral lines in the animal kingdom. By the way, bigfoot isn't a myth, it is folklore and h**x.

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Mar 14, 2019 11:44:46   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
lindajoy wrote:
Or like a blizzard, all running around getting nowhere... lolol


This is a comment for both you and eagle. In today's day and age it is certainly true, democrat=socialist/c*******t leaning, but I know plenty of conservatives who do not believe the bible is to be taken literally and a few who doubt the existence of God totally.

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Mar 14, 2019 11:52:56   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
The theory of evolution requires a lot more faith than believing in Intelligent Design.


I know you've read that but it is certainly not true. The evidence of evolutionary change is dramatic and there is scads of it. One only need look to see it. Of course it helps to have some background so you can understand what it is your seeing, or at the very least, have an open enough mind to think about it.

Obviously there are flaws in the theory of evolution but the big picture is becoming clearer and clearer. To me, the current views of evolutionary changes are much like a jig saw puzzle which is not complete but it is becoming obvious what the picture is. Gaps, yes, but they are becoming smaller and smaller.

Again, do not confuse the origin of life with evolutionary changes.

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Mar 14, 2019 11:55:18   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Nickolai wrote:
Ever since Charles Darwin published On the Origin of Species in 1859, evolution has been the grand unifying theory of biology. Yet one of our most important biological traits, consciousness, is rarely studied in the context of evolution. Theories of consciousness come from religion, from philosophy, from cognitive science, but not so much from evolutionary biology. Maybe that’s why so few theories have been able to tackle basic questions such as: What is the adaptive value of consciousness? When did it evolve and what animals have it? The Attention Schema Theory (AST), developed over the past five years, may be able to answer those questions. The theory suggests that consciousness arises as a solution to one of the most fundamental problems facing any nervous system: Too much information constantly flows in to be fully processed. The brain evolved increasingly sophisticated mechanisms for deeply processing a few select signals at the expense of others, and in the AST, consciousness is the ultimate result of that evolutionary sequence. If the theory is right—and that has yet to be determined—then consciousness evolved gradually over the past half billion years and is present in a range of vertebrate species.

Universities, respectively) outline a number of ideas about why Cambrian animals changed so much during a geologically short period of time. Scientist reasonably conclude that we should consider multiple causes acting simultaneously, rather than an point to early Cambrian sea level rise as a major factor. Geologists have long known that worldwide sea level surged during the Cambrian, drowning low-lying continental areas to create shallow seas of the kind that, in today’s environment, teem with life.

What would a rise in sea level during the Cambrian accomplish? Smith and Harper note that “sea-level rise would have generated a very large habitable area lying between the base of wave turbulence.” Additionally, Cambrian flooding would release nutrients such as phosph**e and calcium, which would aid the formation of hard shells.

The Cambrian explosion is certainly no Argument for a God who watches everything we do and would throw us in a hell hire and brimstone if we do not have believe in his son, but loves us, has a plan for us, listens to our prayers, and guides our destiny.
Ever since Charles Darwin published On the Origin ... (show quote)


Gould postulated that the Cambrian explosion is a great example of how evolution occurs much faster than we thought and eventually levels off until new and significant changes in the environment occur.

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