Morgan

We cannot stop natures habit, this is about stopping our own. That is what's we can control, not nature.

I never blamed Trump for the drought but deregulating puts a halt on the improvements we were beginning to make. Do you really believe that anyone has ever said droughts didn't exist, where did you get that inclination? No one is arguing these forces of nature haven't occurred, of course they've have, what we acknowledge is the environmental impact we have had on it and are committed to trying to remedy it.

It is completely irresponsible to allow industry to spew any kind of toxin and NOT be accountable for it. In the same sense, it would equate to an oil company having an oil spill and never having to clean up what they were responsible for and its impact on the environment. personally, I haven't been able to figure out why people don't see it that way. It appears, what they don't "see" they don't worry about it, even though cancer has run rampant, to now one in three people will get cancer, it may even be one in two by now as it's ever increasing.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Simulation, not reality, not recognizing anything factual but making dire warnings on pure hypothesized “ simulation~~”

Now, wait someone else will come out with another “hypothesized simulation” to counter this “new finding.”

Good grief, arch...

Not simulated..


Not simulated...

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

"It is completely irresponsible to allow industry to spew any kind of toxin and NOT be accountable for it. In the same sense, it would equate to an oil company having an oil spill and never having to clean up what they were responsible for and its impact on the environment..."
No one disagrees with that Morganstern.

You and your ilk want to muddy the waters by comparing apples to oranges!!!

The real BS comes from the money making schemes to reduce CO2. Total BS.
Just follow the money, Al Gore and other charlatans.
CO2 feeds the plants and they produce Oxygen (O2). CO2 (carbon dioxide) is what animals, including humans exhale.
O2 (oxygen) is what all animals breathe to sustain life!!!!

BTW; without Aminals plants would go hungry.

God has it figured out.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

"We cannot stop natures habit, this is about stopping our own. That is what's we can control, not nature. - Morgan

exactly. God has it figured out, and piss ants like you haven't figured it out.

Now do us a favor, and quit breathing.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

States are at will to require any regulation they want or they simply do not allow the business to operate in their state.. The laws on the books and the enforcement of them means just that..

All this over a simulation??? Really???

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Morgan and other air head "environmentalists" need to go after the big CO2 producers.
Volcanoes and ocean activity.
Can they find a way to cap off volcanoes?
After that; what can they do about ocean activity?

Kazudy

No problem my friend, it's good to learn something new every now and then.🙂

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

MorganStern; You have no intention of doing a real Bible study. That is obvious.
As I recall; you do not believe in the Bible.
Although many Christians that have simplistic teachers/Pastors/Churches/doctrines could also use some deeper study on that.
The Serpent/Satan in the Garden of Eden, was the "apple" Eve "tasted"/slept with, which Yahweh/God forbade. That removed Adam and Eve's immortality, and produced Cain.


BTW; Christ Jesus was the second Adam, to give humanity a way back to immortality with the Father.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Well said! Morgan also forgot to mention that we not only invaded the forest, we invaded the forest creatures hood! I've read about clashes between people and animals when we go too far into their territory.
To me it's simple...people build on the beach; a hurricane washes them away. People build near a volcano; boom! an eruption takes them out. People build near a major river; whoosh! a flood washes them away. People build in the forest; forest fires push them back.
People still do these risky things all the time and then when the inevitable happens, they want to blame the president. I just don't see Trump being able to change a major chunk of weather in a little over 2 years.
I especially don't see how his policies in the mainland affect the area of Hawaii, which is where most of Calif.'s rain storms originate.

son of witless

Woman issues.

Actually I don't. I was merely having fun.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

There are links within the graphs, that may help you..
This info came from one of them...

Carbon dioxide (CO2) is an important heat-trapping (greenhouse) gas, which is released through human activities such as deforestation and burning f****l f**ls, as well as natural processes such as respiration and volcanic eruptions. The first graph shows atmospheric CO2 levels measured at Mauna Loa Observatory, Hawaii, in recent years, with average seasonal cycle removed. The second graph shows CO2 levels during the last three glacial cycles, as reconstructed from ice cores.

The time series below shows global distribution and variation of the concentration of mid-tropospheric carbon dioxide in parts per million (ppm). The overall color of the map shifts toward the red with advancing time due to the annual increase of CO2.

Missions that observe CO2
Atmospheric Infrared Sounder (AIRS)

Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO-2)

DIRECT MEASUREMENTS: 2005-PRESENT

Data source: Monthly measurements (average seasonal cycle removed). Credit: NOAA
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CO2 (parts per million)
Get Data: FTP | Snapshot: PNG
PROXY (INDIRECT) MEASUREMENTS

Data source: Reconstruction from ice cores.
Credit: NOAA
data graph
TIME SERIES: 2002-2016

Data source: Atmospheric Infrared Sounder (AIRS).
Credit: NASA
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eagleye13 Loc: Fl

The point is "Man Made" g****l w*****g is like people saying that pissing in the oceans is warming the oceans.
Is someone trying to figure out how to control the Sun?
Al Gore maybe.

Kazudy

God has it figured out. Yes He does and He knows better then Al Gore, but Al Gore agrees, he won't tell you that, AND is the worst offender, he flys all over in HIS jet when he can fly commercial. Question does that make Al Greed 1 mean Gore a hypocrite?

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Al Gore is a leading example of Liberal hypocrisy.
I think Al is hiding under a rock these days; unless he is flying around in his private jet.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

I totally agree. However, show me where that is happening. I know you know, but if we affect our own climate, we affect the European climate, the Chinese climate, etc. China, which is out polluting the rest of the earth since 2006, pollutes us.
OK...you didn't say Trump was responsible for the drought. I was very tired from a 10 hour shift when I read your reply...that's my reason...here's my apology...I apologize for misreading your words.
But lets look at logging. The industry has completely changed from just 30 years ago to now. I'm not saying that clear cutting isn't still happening, but there are machines that go right up to the tree, grab hold of it, cut it off close to the ground, then tip the tree over. Then the machine pulls the tree through cutters and from a standing tree, in about one and one half minutes, you have a log. This machine can snake around trees in close quarters and it doesn't harm the other trees in close proximity. It is selective harvesting and a great improvement over the past.
In my city, we used to have an explosive producing plant run by the government (we called it the TNT plant), and in the mornings, we always had yellow fog around the plant. That plant is gone now and in it's place we have Volkswagen and Amazon ( there are others also), both which produce very little pollution.
In fact, pretty much all of our old polluting industries are gone.
My point is that I believe we were over regulated. Our economy was slow, wages were stagnant, many people that wanted to start their own business were unable to do so because of costs involved in regulation.
Trump reduced regulations on logging...is this not a renewable resource? Trump opened up oil production in this country...we are just not ready to give up f****l f**ls technologically speaking. We are getting close but not there yet. Electric cars have come a long way but are still imperfect and too expensive for the average Joe.
Coal...as long as there is coal in the ground, we will need to use it. In my area, we have coal fired power plants (TVA). I'm not talking about chunks of coal being shuttled into a furnace, I'm talking high quality coal made as fine as flour and injected into the furnace like fuel injection on a car.
I agree with you that we need to save our planet, but we also have to live on it. Here are the biggest polluters in a list from 10 to 1. We are #2...looks bad but we feed and subsidize so many other countries (even China relies on our agriculture).
Under Trump we have reduced regulations, but our economy is strong and growing briskly, and more people of all races and g****rs are working than ever before ...except maybe during WWII.
So, I'm agreeing with you that we need to care for the planet, but it shouldn't be through taxes, i.e. big polluters can just pay higher taxes and roll right along.
But I'm disagreeing with you about belittling Trump and his cabinet when he is attempting to restore the USA as a front runner in the world, which is where we have been for a long time until we slid down the ladder under Obama ( I'm not knocking Obama, it's just what happened), and now we are pretty much back up there.
I believe that conservation AND our position in the world's pecking order are very important.