maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

You DO realize that the biggest problem with forest fires is that we try to stop them. Before man took over, who stopped forest fires? Nobody! Nature takes care of itself if left alone.
A wildlife habitat may be interrupted by logging but after the trees are gone, the place is left alone for at least 20 years. The wildlife move right back in and the trees start growing.
When you build subdivisions anywhere and everywhere, you try to stop the fires that naturally used to burn themselves out...mother nature's housecleaning. It is us alright that has harmed the land by tearing nature apart to try to live IN that very nature.
This country is MUCH cleaner now than it was 40 years ago when my hometown was declared to be the dirtiest city in America by Walter Cronkite, and that cleanup didn't happen just under Obama.
If you want to complain about the real villains, talk about the forest k**lers in South America...they cut down whole rain forests, then cultivate for a season or two after which the land is useless.
There's the REAL problem for the world!

Morgan

That's just perfect really, it's Al Gores fault, the human race never lived in the so-called Garden of Eden, only Adam and Eve had, and they were banished after they bit the apple and sinned.

Beautiful Eve was a s**t, please tell me how that was possible when there was only one other person existing with her, a man, btw his name was Adam. Your research needs work buddy. Can I get you a glass of water from Detroit, it'd be my pleasure I'll get three, you, Arch and birdturd.

son of witless

I will pass on the Detroit water. How do you know what Eve looked like ? Adam likely was pretty desperate and had no others to judge her by. As for being a s**t, she was the first woman to betray her husband by listening to a snake. Many of her descendants carried on the family tradition.

Morgan

I'm sorry but that is a poor argument in this day and age and population. I'm sure people in the pathway will appreciate that outlook, or you, if your house were to ever catch on fire, we'll just let the fire burn until it goes out on its own

One little detail you seem to be overlooking, the state of the trees when there is an ongoing drought, especially for years. Are you now going to try and tell me the increase of droughts is not from g****l w*****g? Please don't.

I agree, the forest in South America and other rainforests, need to be protected, actually, they all do.Trees play a crucial role in supporting life across the globe, producing oxygen and absorb the added carbon dioxide we're dispersing into the air.

New research published in the journal Nature suggests the world is home to more than 3 trillion trees. Throughout history, people have played a key role in determining the number of living trees, researchers note. People cut down 15 billion trees each year and the global tree count has fallen by 46% since the beginning of human civilization.

teabag09

do-do-do- do-do-do do-do-do... Think twilight zone. Mike

Morgan

A s**t is a woman how has several sexual partners, did she screw the snake? I never read that. She didn't betray Adam she betrayed God. Let's face it, that was the big plan wasn't it.

I fear you have woman issues. Chief... according to the Bible, we are all their descendants. But I'm not here to discuss the bible with you.

Not very spiritual are you, beauty is not only skin deep.

Morgan

Have a nice trip...Mike

archie bunker Loc: Texas

I would rather have a glass from Flint, if it's not too much trouble.

Morgan

Sure happy to comply, just tell me where to ship it. Detroit, Flint, you got me there, but do you really think there's a major difference in the ghettos?

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Nope. And not a major difference in their governments either.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

What I was saying is, is that our very presence has interrupted natures way of cleaning up after herself. Then once we have conquered a large part of nature's habitat, we also stop the forest from bouncing back, I.e. we have overpowered her...until she fights back.
Now, I'll ask you s question...do you seriously believe that just 2 years of Trump caused a drought?
Speaking of droughts, Joesph led Egypt through a drought that lasted 7 years, so I don't think droughts are a recent thing at all. I'm inclined to think that the weird weather in Calif. is because we have broken her established ways and means to self control.

redpill Loc: Oregon - not PDX

Perhaps we are looking at the coin from different angles as we discuss the topic of C*****e C****e. The coin goes from a line to a circle as you rotate your perspective. I make a distinction between protecting the environment from harmful practices and assuming the world will end if we do not invoke NWO IPCC regulations. The two are infinitely different.

The answers I was asking for are about HOW will any IPCC plans save the world from destruction. I know how limiting polluting gases makes for cleaner air. Hurray for some of those regulations. How any prudent, practical, economical, sustainable...ie sane, C*****e C****e action will work. I think it is better to spend US money on US problems and not redistribute it to other countries.

I get enraged when the elites; ie the Bernie Sanders with three mansions, the AOCs that get $170K/yr and won't walk 10 minutes to ride her cherished trains, the Gores that made millions scare mongering while using more electricity than a small city; the list is nearly endless;.. when the elites want to "save the planet" while doing nothing themselves. They are so much smarter than us poor delusional peons. They must take over everything because they know better. The gall they have is beyond the pale.

However, the works of man have been (and still needs to continue) cleaning up our world. It should be as livable as possible. Even though man cannot modify the natural events that shape our world, we can provide clean air, clean water, end pollution of our seas, etc.

So I look at the coin from the edge. There are thin lines that we do have control of (Environment). Looking at it on the face, the coin surface is beyond the capabilities of man to change (C*****e C****e).

Your link... It was hard to understand the slide bar. A few seemed to indicate that sliding to the left showed the past while sliding to the right showed the present. The glacier calving seemed to be the opposite. No where did it explain how to interpret the slides. But I assume the point was that C*****e C****e was causing wh**ever problem they were trying to show. I don't buy it, duh. The flooding...was supposedly due to rising sea levels? Some slides looked to me that it was more probably due to the monsoon season. Those flooding slides reminded me of the stupid claim of beach loss when two pictures were shown side by side. The i***t did not know about tide level changes. The link only made my regard those interpreting NASA's pictures as proof of anything cataclysmic as being fear mongers.

If I may be so bold, you seem to have a strong concern for the environment, the health of the planet. Bravo. However, please consider that we who disagree about the death of the planet due to "C*****e C****e" are in the boat with you. We possibly only disagree in what should be done. I would ask all that we stop calling each other i***ts for our views. (lol of course, I will not stop calling the hypocrite elites evil morons, unless they join this forum and explain why they are not)

redpill Loc: Oregon - not PDX

Yep, man-made g****l w*****g is not increasing drought, unless you are talking about increased localized land heat up due to clear cutting.

Forest health is a complex issue. As an ex-Forest Service employee, I can assure you that the issue is nearly 100% of their world. I posted on another thread the history of fire suppression, perhaps you can find it. Nutshell, fire suppression is the most significant cause of increased wildfire and diseased forests.

South American rainforests should be protected, the question is how. Perhaps here is where the US can subsidize Brazil and other nations. As a personal act don't buy imported exotic woods.

As for the use of wood... I personally am glad we use wood. It is a renewable resource that environmentalists extol we should strive for. Granted, to continue as renewable, it needs to be managed, ;ie the Forest Service and PHD programs to train people to do so. As a personal act, recycle paper, save a tree.

Building in forests... Just plain a risk. I don't like paying my taxes to pay for their rescue. Go ahead and build in the idyllic mountains but be sure you have a bar code on your roof to tell if you are insured for forest fire. Otherwise no r****dant will be dropped on you. And quit passing laws that prevent proper thinning and brush reduction.

redpill Loc: Oregon - not PDX

Right on about droughts being naturally occurring phenomena. Perhaps the weird weather in CA is due to the shifting poles.?

Life changes its environment, period. Man is not the only organism to do so. Beavers build dams that drown trees and create meadows that increase the supply of grasses that increase the size of deer herds that increase the size of wolf packs... etc etc etc. Its called Ecology. Even plants do it. Think invasive species and how they k**l out native species. This is nature at work. Man is another natural organism.

That being said, man is more insidious in many ways but also capable of righting wrongs. Again, nature's way of correcting and balancing... all under the watch of God.

Politically speaking, not even Trump can over come the forces of nature. However, he can help the USA continue to exist by being strong and viable. I believing that the US is a source of good in the world wish for this to continue. Regulating to the point of losing our sovereignty is self destructive to the nation and to the protections we provide the planet. Based on current methodologies of some other nations, if they had control of our resources, the horrors we think we see happening today would be minuscule after we are conquered.

redpill Loc: Oregon - not PDX

I doubt that logging is a major part of the Koch empire, nor that they would put too much effort in jeopardizing that empire by trying to influence politicians, but who knows...they are part of the elite and therefore, can do anything they want. Here's their world...
https://progressivenetwork.wordpress.com/2013/03/23/companies-owned-by-koch-brothers-and-the-products-they-sell/

I now have to look up the policies of Mr Wheeler. And yes, environmental change happens slowly. Fire suppression starting in the '70s has led to sick and over crowded forests lending to more severe fires. Reduced logging starting in the 80's reduced the amount of diseased trees being removed. It all adds up.

And as always we can do our part by Recyle/Reuse/Reduce. Before Oregon went too far crazy, they started the Bottle Bill and our trash on the highways is greatly reduced, and looks nice too. We have SOLV and other programs. All help in the good fight.