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Mar 3, 2019 14:48:40   #
Richard94611 (a regular here)
 
America woke up on Monday to new, and dire, climate news: A new scientific study suggests that we have been vastly underestimating the climate feedback loop caused by reduced cloud cover in a warming world. Clouds, being reflective, reflect sunlight that would otherwise warm the planet; as temperatures and carbon dioxide increase, cloud cover decreases.

What is significant about the new research findings is that they suggest a "tipping point" beyond which things become very dire, and very fast—and that we are very close to that tipping point right now.

The simulation revealed a tipping point: a level of warming at which stratocumulus clouds break up altogether. The disappearance occurs when the concentration of CO2 in the simulated atmosphere reaches 1,200 parts per million — a level that fossil fuel burning could push us past in about a century, under “business-as-usual” emissions scenarios. In the simulation, when the tipping point is breached, Earth’s temperature soars 8 degrees Celsius, in addition to the 4 degrees of warming or more caused by the CO2 directly.
Within a century, then, there may be an additional 14 degrees Fahrenheit of warming that previous models haven't accounted for. And 14 degrees of warming, within a century, is a level of calamity far beyond any plausible mitigation attempts. Sea level rise would happen far more rapidly; croplands worldwide would turn unviable; every ecosystem on the planet would be thrown into chaos. The resulting loss of snowpacks, permafrost, glaciers, and Antarctic ice would each compound the effects. All told, it points to precisely the sort of "feedback loop" that climate scientists have long feared, a measure of carbon concentration beyond which the climate does not change gradually, but as if a switch were flipped.

Geological records have long suggested that the Earth's climate has a history of changes far more extreme than our past models could account for. These findings are another attempt to understand why—and to find the exact numbers beyond which things turn from catastrophic to apocalyptic.

That is the news as of this Monday, Feb. 25. Also in the news, however, is that Trump's team of criminals and crackpots is prepared to announce a new "ad hoc" working group devoted exclusively to undermining the credibility of the government's own National Climate Assessment.

The administration intends to fill the group with longstanding climate skeptics, including those with financial ties to the fossil fuel industry. It is the brainchild of the astonishingly loony ultra-skeptic William Happer, now installed as a senior director in Trump's National Security Council, a man who has compared efforts to limit carbon emissions to the Holocaust.

And the panel is to be set up as an "ad hoc" group, not a formal committee, to evade federal transparency rules requiring public meetings and public records. This is a change from Happer's original plan, and no doubt one that was required by the sketchiness of those being recruited for the task.

This week's news, then, is already doubly dire. We have just learned there is credible reason to think the sort of apocalyptic climate change that scientists had seen in the geological records is not hundreds of years away, but on our very doorstep. And we have learned that the formal conservative, Republican, Trumpian response to government's own climate warnings will be the creation of a new group of fossil fuel-tied skeptics who will attempt to rebut the scientific evidence with, one presumes, the usual links to pseudoscience and YouTube videos.

Leaders of the climate movement have long warned that we cannot give in to despair—that no matter how long we wait to combat climate change, it is still far preferable to abandoning hope that such things can even be mustered. But it is difficult to take that advice to heart, watching the ever-more-extraordinary efforts by the powerful to shove us all off the cliff together.

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Mar 3, 2019 15:00:51   #
Richard94611 (a regular here)
 
Blade Runner often tries to rebut the fact that climate change is real, is very serious and is man--made by quoting a lady in a UN report that the purpose of all this fuss is to discredit or eliminate Capitalism. He has failed to think about what she was really meaning when she made that remark.

Capitalism as it now stands has many, many faults. I'm not going to waste my time here enumerating them because they are obvious to anyone serious about investigating them. Were we serious about taking the steps that would greatly lessen the man-made practices causing climate change, however, we would do the opposite to eliminating capitalism. There would be an incredible boon to the economy in terms of employment, profits and healthy business activity.

What the UN lady Blade Runner so often quotes really meant with her remark is that we must reform the practice of capitalism so that enhances the common good rather than so that damages the environment. In the larger context of this, you might read the book "The Common Good," a short tome that reflects how the nature of capitalism has changed in the last 50 or so years. We don't need so much to get rid of capitalism as we need to go back to the way much capitalism used to be practiced.

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Mar 3, 2019 16:30:06   #
byronglimish (a regular here)
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Blade Runner often tries to rebut the fact that climate change is real, is very serious and is man--made by quoting a lady in a UN report that the purpose of all this fuss is to discredit or eliminate Capitalism. He has failed to think about what she was really meaning when she made that remark.

Capitalism as it now stands has many, many faults. I'm not going to waste my time here enumerating them because they are obvious to anyone serious about investigating them. Were we serious about taking the steps that would greatly lessen the man-made practices causing climate change, however, we would do the opposite to eliminating capitalism. There would be an incredible boon to the economy in terms of employment, profits and healthy business activity.

What the UN lady Blade Runner so often quotes really meant with her remark is that we must reform the practice of capitalism so that enhances the common good rather than so that damages the environment. In the larger context of this, you might read the book "The Common Good," a short tome that reflects how the nature of capitalism has changed in the last 50 or so years. We don't need so much to get rid of capitalism as we need to go back to the way much capitalism used to be practiced.
Blade Runner often tries to rebut the fact that cl... (show quote)




So your emotions make you feel that a NWO is best for our future generations!

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Mar 3, 2019 17:12:24   #
waltmoreno (a regular here)
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Blade Runner often tries to rebut the fact that climate change is real, is very serious and is man--made by quoting a lady in a UN report that the purpose of all this fuss is to discredit or eliminate Capitalism. He has failed to think about what she was really meaning when she made that remark.

Capitalism as it now stands has many, many faults. I'm not going to waste my time here enumerating them because they are obvious to anyone serious about investigating them. Were we serious about taking the steps that would greatly lessen the man-made practices causing climate change, however, we would do the opposite to eliminating capitalism. There would be an incredible boon to the economy in terms of employment, profits and healthy business activity.

What the UN lady Blade Runner so often quotes really meant with her remark is that we must reform the practice of capitalism so that enhances the common good rather than so that damages the environment. In the larger context of this, you might read the book "The Common Good," a short tome that reflects how the nature of capitalism has changed in the last 50 or so years. We don't need so much to get rid of capitalism as we need to go back to the way much capitalism used to be practiced.
Blade Runner often tries to rebut the fact that cl... (show quote)


I get it. Just worship at the altar of climate change and by redistributing carbon tax credits to other less developed nations, which incidentally pollute disproportionality more than advanced capitalistic societies, and we'll save the planet.

But free, capitalist societies already pollute far less than pre-industrial societies. After all, who wants to support a polluting company with their hard-earned money?

And as for replacing capitalism, we just need all understand that true communism hasn't really been successful to date because everywhere it's been tried has been lacking in one or more essential elements. But, the next time we will finally arrive in utopia! True nirvana! Just believe.

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Mar 3, 2019 18:45:35   #
eden (a regular here)
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Blade Runner often tries to rebut the fact that climate change is real, is very serious and is man--made by quoting a lady in a UN report that the purpose of all this fuss is to discredit or eliminate Capitalism. He has failed to think about what she was really meaning when she made that remark.

Capitalism as it now stands has many, many faults. I'm not going to waste my time here enumerating them because they are obvious to anyone serious about investigating them. Were we serious about taking the steps that would greatly lessen the man-made practices causing climate change, however, we would do the opposite to eliminating capitalism. There would be an incredible boon to the economy in terms of employment, profits and healthy business activity.

What the UN lady Blade Runner so often quotes really meant with her remark is that we must reform the practice of capitalism so that enhances the common good rather than so that damages the environment. In the larger context of this, you might read the book "The Common Good," a short tome that reflects how the nature of capitalism has changed in the last 50 or so years. We don't need so much to get rid of capitalism as we need to go back to the way much capitalism used to be practiced.
Blade Runner often tries to rebut the fact that cl... (show quote)



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Mar 3, 2019 18:48:20   #
archie bunker (a regular here)
 
Richard94611 wrote:
America woke up on Monday to new, and dire, climate news: A new scientific study suggests that we have been vastly underestimating the climate feedback loop caused by reduced cloud cover in a warming world. Clouds, being reflective, reflect sunlight that would otherwise warm the planet; as temperatures and carbon dioxide increase, cloud cover decreases.

What is significant about the new research findings is that they suggest a "tipping point" beyond which things become very dire, and very fast—and that we are very close to that tipping point right now.

The simulation revealed a tipping point: a level of warming at which stratocumulus clouds break up altogether. The disappearance occurs when the concentration of CO2 in the simulated atmosphere reaches 1,200 parts per million — a level that fossil fuel burning could push us past in about a century, under “business-as-usual” emissions scenarios. In the simulation, when the tipping point is breached, Earth’s temperature soars 8 degrees Celsius, in addition to the 4 degrees of warming or more caused by the CO2 directly.
Within a century, then, there may be an additional 14 degrees Fahrenheit of warming that previous models haven't accounted for. And 14 degrees of warming, within a century, is a level of calamity far beyond any plausible mitigation attempts. Sea level rise would happen far more rapidly; croplands worldwide would turn unviable; every ecosystem on the planet would be thrown into chaos. The resulting loss of snowpacks, permafrost, glaciers, and Antarctic ice would each compound the effects. All told, it points to precisely the sort of "feedback loop" that climate scientists have long feared, a measure of carbon concentration beyond which the climate does not change gradually, but as if a switch were flipped.

Geological records have long suggested that the Earth's climate has a history of changes far more extreme than our past models could account for. These findings are another attempt to understand why—and to find the exact numbers beyond which things turn from catastrophic to apocalyptic.

That is the news as of this Monday, Feb. 25. Also in the news, however, is that Trump's team of criminals and crackpots is prepared to announce a new "ad hoc" working group devoted exclusively to undermining the credibility of the government's own National Climate Assessment.

The administration intends to fill the group with longstanding climate skeptics, including those with financial ties to the fossil fuel industry. It is the brainchild of the astonishingly loony ultra-skeptic William Happer, now installed as a senior director in Trump's National Security Council, a man who has compared efforts to limit carbon emissions to the Holocaust.

And the panel is to be set up as an "ad hoc" group, not a formal committee, to evade federal transparency rules requiring public meetings and public records. This is a change from Happer's original plan, and no doubt one that was required by the sketchiness of those being recruited for the task.

This week's news, then, is already doubly dire. We have just learned there is credible reason to think the sort of apocalyptic climate change that scientists had seen in the geological records is not hundreds of years away, but on our very doorstep. And we have learned that the formal conservative, Republican, Trumpian response to government's own climate warnings will be the creation of a new group of fossil fuel-tied skeptics who will attempt to rebut the scientific evidence with, one presumes, the usual links to pseudoscience and YouTube videos.

Leaders of the climate movement have long warned that we cannot give in to despair—that no matter how long we wait to combat climate change, it is still far preferable to abandoning hope that such things can even be mustered. But it is difficult to take that advice to heart, watching the ever-more-extraordinary efforts by the powerful to shove us all off the cliff together.
America woke up on Monday to new, and dire, climat... (show quote)


I read as far as the simulation part.

Let's simulate my boot in your ample backside.

We can do that over, and over if you want.

Are you constipated from trying to push out my boot?

No? .....Huh!

Maybe all simulations don't come true. Who woulda thunk?

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Mar 4, 2019 00:09:21   #
redpill (a regular here)
 
Richard94611 wrote:
America woke up on Monday


What in the world are you talking about? blah blah blah... If this is not old, then Monday has not happened yet... Give us something other than your blah blah blah to look at. Waste of time to respond further.

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Mar 4, 2019 00:21:33   #
Blade_Runner (a regular here)
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Blade Runner often tries to rebut the fact that climate change is real, is very serious and is man--made by quoting a lady in a UN report that the purpose of all this fuss is to discredit or eliminate Capitalism. He has failed to think about what she was really meaning when she made that remark.

Capitalism as it now stands has many, many faults. I'm not going to waste my time here enumerating them because they are obvious to anyone serious about investigating them. Were we serious about taking the steps that would greatly lessen the man-made practices causing climate change, however, we would do the opposite to eliminating capitalism. There would be an incredible boon to the economy in terms of employment, profits and healthy business activity.

What the UN lady Blade Runner so often quotes really meant with her remark is that we must reform the practice of capitalism so that enhances the common good rather than so that damages the environment. In the larger context of this, you might read the book "The Common Good," a short tome that reflects how the nature of capitalism has changed in the last 50 or so years. We don't need so much to get rid of capitalism as we need to go back to the way much capitalism used to be practiced.
Blade Runner often tries to rebut the fact that cl... (show quote)


If it weren't for capitalism, the mentally challenged individual who wrote this wouldn't even have a pencil and paper with which to write up a shopping list.

I, Pencil

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Mar 4, 2019 00:29:55   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
archie bunker wrote:
I read as far as the simulation part.

Let's simulate my boot in your ample backside.

We can do that over, and over if you want.

Are you constipated from trying to push out my boot?

No? .....Huh!

Maybe all simulations don't come true. Who woulda thunk?


Thanks for that image Arch...

And for ruining all future simulations for me , eh

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Mar 4, 2019 09:05:12   #
Wonttakeitanymore (a regular here)
 
Climate changes. The end!!!

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Mar 4, 2019 10:15:10   #
TrueAmerican (a regular here)
 
waltmoreno wrote:
I get it. Just worship at the altar of climate change and by redistributing carbon tax credits to other less developed nations, which incidentally pollute disproportionality more than advanced capitalistic societies, and we'll save the planet.

But free, capitalist societies already pollute far less than pre-industrial societies. After all, who wants to support a polluting company with their hard-earned money?

And as for replacing capitalism, we just need all understand that true communism hasn't really been successful to date because everywhere it's been tried has been lacking in one or more essential elements. But, the next time we will finally arrive in utopia! True nirvana! Just believe.
I get it. Just worship at the altar of climate cha... (show quote)



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Mar 4, 2019 10:16:04   #
TrueAmerican (a regular here)
 
Richard94611 wrote:
America woke up on Monday to new, and dire, climate news: A new scientific study suggests that we have been vastly underestimating the climate feedback loop caused by reduced cloud cover in a warming world. Clouds, being reflective, reflect sunlight that would otherwise warm the planet; as temperatures and carbon dioxide increase, cloud cover decreases.

What is significant about the new research findings is that they suggest a "tipping point" beyond which things become very dire, and very fast—and that we are very close to that tipping point right now.

The simulation revealed a tipping point: a level of warming at which stratocumulus clouds break up altogether. The disappearance occurs when the concentration of CO2 in the simulated atmosphere reaches 1,200 parts per million — a level that fossil fuel burning could push us past in about a century, under “business-as-usual” emissions scenarios. In the simulation, when the tipping point is breached, Earth’s temperature soars 8 degrees Celsius, in addition to the 4 degrees of warming or more caused by the CO2 directly.
Within a century, then, there may be an additional 14 degrees Fahrenheit of warming that previous models haven't accounted for. And 14 degrees of warming, within a century, is a level of calamity far beyond any plausible mitigation attempts. Sea level rise would happen far more rapidly; croplands worldwide would turn unviable; every ecosystem on the planet would be thrown into chaos. The resulting loss of snowpacks, permafrost, glaciers, and Antarctic ice would each compound the effects. All told, it points to precisely the sort of "feedback loop" that climate scientists have long feared, a measure of carbon concentration beyond which the climate does not change gradually, but as if a switch were flipped.

Geological records have long suggested that the Earth's climate has a history of changes far more extreme than our past models could account for. These findings are another attempt to understand why—and to find the exact numbers beyond which things turn from catastrophic to apocalyptic.

That is the news as of this Monday, Feb. 25. Also in the news, however, is that Trump's team of criminals and crackpots is prepared to announce a new "ad hoc" working group devoted exclusively to undermining the credibility of the government's own National Climate Assessment.

The administration intends to fill the group with longstanding climate skeptics, including those with financial ties to the fossil fuel industry. It is the brainchild of the astonishingly loony ultra-skeptic William Happer, now installed as a senior director in Trump's National Security Council, a man who has compared efforts to limit carbon emissions to the Holocaust.

And the panel is to be set up as an "ad hoc" group, not a formal committee, to evade federal transparency rules requiring public meetings and public records. This is a change from Happer's original plan, and no doubt one that was required by the sketchiness of those being recruited for the task.

This week's news, then, is already doubly dire. We have just learned there is credible reason to think the sort of apocalyptic climate change that scientists had seen in the geological records is not hundreds of years away, but on our very doorstep. And we have learned that the formal conservative, Republican, Trumpian response to government's own climate warnings will be the creation of a new group of fossil fuel-tied skeptics who will attempt to rebut the scientific evidence with, one presumes, the usual links to pseudoscience and YouTube videos.

Leaders of the climate movement have long warned that we cannot give in to despair—that no matter how long we wait to combat climate change, it is still far preferable to abandoning hope that such things can even be mustered. But it is difficult to take that advice to heart, watching the ever-more-extraordinary efforts by the powerful to shove us all off the cliff together.
America woke up on Monday to new, and dire, climat... (show quote)


The sky is falling --- the sky is falling HA HA HA HA HA HA

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Mar 4, 2019 10:48:02   #
Airforceone (a regular here)
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Blade Runner often tries to rebut the fact that climate change is real, is very serious and is man--made by quoting a lady in a UN report that the purpose of all this fuss is to discredit or eliminate Capitalism. He has failed to think about what she was really meaning when she made that remark.

Capitalism as it now stands has many, many faults. I'm not going to waste my time here enumerating them because they are obvious to anyone serious about investigating them. Were we serious about taking the steps that would greatly lessen the man-made practices causing climate change, however, we would do the opposite to eliminating capitalism. There would be an incredible boon to the economy in terms of employment, profits and healthy business activity.

What the UN lady Blade Runner so often quotes really meant with her remark is that we must reform the practice of capitalism so that enhances the common good rather than so that damages the environment. In the larger context of this, you might read the book "The Common Good," a short tome that reflects how the nature of capitalism has changed in the last 50 or so years. We don't need so much to get rid of capitalism as we need to go back to the way much capitalism used to be practiced.
Blade Runner often tries to rebut the fact that cl... (show quote)


I just posted a new topic on Climate change
( it’s time to stop debating Climate Change)

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Mar 4, 2019 11:25:09   #
archie bunker (a regular here)
 
Airforceone wrote:
I just posted a new topic on Climate change
( it’s time to stop debating Climate Change)


Is that an order, sir?

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Mar 4, 2019 11:50:39   #
RickyDCUSMC
 
Ok for all you climate change crazies, I have a science college degree so I believe I understand a little more than most of you. Proven fact that thousands of years ago a large portion of the North American continent was under a glacier. Warm blooded species were very sparse. Over the centuries the glaciers melted and exposed the land mass. What man made practice caused that reduction in the ice? Proven scientific fact is there was a very low oxygen content and a high carbon dioxide content at that time. That was the natural balance of nature.

Now lets advance a few thousand years carbon dioxide is less than 15% and oxygen levels are much higher. Why, because vegetation had flourished and produced their byproduct OXYGEN. As humans flourish we start cutting down the rain forests, slash and burn the natural vegetation and replace it with the vegetation humanity wants or eliminate it completely with the concrete jungle. Now man wants to suddenly eliminate the use of fossil fuels in the stupid belief man and man alone can quickly alter nature. WRONG!!!

As the Carbon Dioxide (Co2) levels increase "again" as they did long ago, natures weather patterns are conforming to this to achieve "balance" of the planet. Humans like all mammals need oxygen to survive and vegetation needs Co2 to survive. As much as we believe we can effectively alter the earth's climate we cannot.

As I have told people many times, "we are 10% of 30% of 100% of planet earth". What I mean by this is we occupy 10% of the total land mass of the planet, the total land mass of earth is 30% the other 70% is water. Our minor disruption in the natural balance of earth is just that minor and nature WILL adjust and adapt to maintain natural balance.

In the 1940s there were screams and panic about climate change and we (humans) would all be dead in 20 years if we didn't change. In the 1970s if we don't do something we are all going to drown because water will rise. In 1989 if we don't change the planet will catch fire and burn by the year 2000. Then the inconvenient truth comes out stating if we don't change we will die by 2016. Oops we are all still here!!!

Now AOC says if we don't completely change in ten years at a cost that is unrealistic and unachievable, we will all be dead in 12 years. Oh but wait the U.S. pollutes far less that other countries, but other countries don't have to comply with this stupidity! Mankind altering climate is all proven and debunked junk scientific BS and liberal panicking in an effort to get control of you and most importantly your MONEY.

In twelve years if this site is still here, I will be in my late 70s and laughing the same as I am today at all you climate change crazies! Man kind cannot sufficiently alter climate and cannot at all alter physics.

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