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Mar 2, 2019 13:10:27   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
Kevyn wrote:
Here is the entire second amendment,

A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Please note two very important things you have chosen to ignore, the first the amendment says “the people” in the collective sense. The founders were pretty specific with words and could have written in in the singular if that was their intention, in other words “a persons right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” there is of course a big difference in meaning between individual and plural.

The other, and perhaps most important thing you missed is the first line, A well regulated Milita being necessary to the security of a free state. The M*****a of course refers to the National Guard of each state not gangs of crackpots playing cowboys and Indianns in the woods. And who regulates this M*****a, that’s right the individual states and federal government.
Here is the entire second amendment, br br A well... (show quote)


That fact works against your argument Kevyn:


“2. The amendment’s primary justification was to prevent the United States from needing a standing army.

“Preventing the United States from starting a professional army, in fact, was the single most important goal of the Second Amendment. It is hard to recapture this fear today, but during the 18th century few boogeymen were as scary as the standing army — an army made up of professional, full-time soldiers.

“By the logic of the 18th century, any society with a professional army could never be truly free. The men in charge of that army could order it to attack the citizens themselves, who, unarmed and unorganized, would be unable to fight back. This was why a well-regulated m*****a was necessary to the security of a free state: To be secure, a society needed to be able to defend itself; to be free, it could not exist merely at the whim of a standing army and its generals.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2018/02/22/what-the-second-amendment-really-meant-to-the-founders/?utm_term=.5e79baaced74

The idea of not allowing personal protection against government infringement was not what they had in mind. It was for the citizenry as a collective to be able to defend themselves against a professional army, such as, I might add, what we now have in the armed forces. So what you are proposing in limited gun rights away from citizens and given to the “government” is precisely what the founders were against and were combatting: giving ultimate power to the state rather than the people of the state.

Back to school with you, and not the l*****t indoctrination centers!

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Mar 2, 2019 13:14:48   #
Rose42
 
Kevyn wrote:
Here is the entire second amendment,

A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Please note two very important things you have chosen to ignore, the first the amendment says “the people” in the collective sense. The founders were pretty specific with words and could have written in in the singular if that was their intention, in other words “a persons right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” there is of course a big difference in meaning between individual and plural.

The other, and perhaps most important thing you missed is the first line, A well regulated Milita being necessary to the security of a free state. The M*****a of course refers to the National Guard of each state not gangs of crackpots playing cowboys and Indianns in the woods. And who regulates this M*****a, that’s right the individual states and federal government.
Here is the entire second amendment, br br A well... (show quote)


Wrong. If you read more of what the framers wrote you'd know what they meant. The left tries to spin it this way so they can gain more control.

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Mar 2, 2019 13:16:06   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
Rose42 wrote:
Wrong. If you read more of what the framers wrote you'd know what they meant. The left tries to spin it this way so they can gain more control.


Spin doctors extraordinaire!

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Mar 2, 2019 13:53:36   #
zillaorange
 
Kevyn wrote:
Here is the entire second amendment,

A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Please note two very important things you have chosen to ignore, the first the amendment says “the people” in the collective sense. The founders were pretty specific with words and could have written in in the singular if that was their intention, in other words “a persons right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” there is of course a big difference in meaning between individual and plural.

The other, and perhaps most important thing you missed is the first line, A well regulated Milita being necessary to the security of a free state. The M*****a of course refers to the National Guard of each state not gangs of crackpots playing cowboys and Indianns in the woods. And who regulates this M*****a, that’s right the individual states and federal government.
Here is the entire second amendment, br br A well... (show quote)


Try the American Legion Kev !!! Already trained & willing to protect & defend the CONSTITUTION !!! There's MILLIONS OF U. S. !!!

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Mar 2, 2019 14:06:38   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
zillaorange wrote:
Try the American Legion Kev !!! Already trained & willing to protect & defend the CONSTITUTION !!! There's MILLIONS OF U. S. !!!


Where is the "well regulated"?

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Mar 2, 2019 15:50:48   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Kevyn wrote:
Here is the entire second amendment,

A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Please note two very important things you have chosen to ignore, the first the amendment says “the people” in the collective sense. The founders were pretty specific with words and could have written in in the singular if that was their intention, in other words “a persons right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” there is of course a big difference in meaning between individual and plural.

The other, and perhaps most important thing you missed is the first line, A well regulated Milita being necessary to the security of a free state. The M*****a of course refers to the National Guard of each state not gangs of crackpots playing cowboys and Indianns in the woods. And who regulates this M*****a, that’s right the individual states and federal government.
Here is the entire second amendment, br br A well... (show quote)



Gee, Kevyn, I'm glad you pointed that out. I'll bet nobody ever thought of that before. Well, maybe we'll here more about it. Maybe AOC will jump on it.

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Mar 2, 2019 16:37:39   #
woodguru
 
buffalo wrote:
LOL There are laws already in force that preclude criminals and crazies from buying or possessing guns.


You are aware that there are many states that laws are not in force? Which is the problem, this constant rhetoric that there are laws "in place" is pure BS... does every state have laws in place like California does? Not hardly. No law being looked at interferes with a normal person's ability to buy guns, I just bought a shotgun and when I was picking it up bought a nice sized pistol for concealed carry. I have to wait ten days, but 20 wouldn't k**l me.

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Mar 2, 2019 16:38:30   #
woodguru
 
Bad Bob wrote:
Where is the "well regulated"?


That is a term that is f**e news, doesn't mean anything

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Mar 2, 2019 16:51:17   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
woodguru wrote:
That is a term that is f**e news, doesn't mean anything


And we know who doesn't want regulations.

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Mar 3, 2019 05:39:14   #
zillaorange
 
":The right of self defense is the 1st law of nature;in most gov'ts it has been the study of rules to confine this right within the narrowest possible limits...(when) the right of the people to keep & bear arms is under any pretext, whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, it's on the brink of destruction!
St. George Tucker

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Mar 3, 2019 06:33:49   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
zillaorange wrote:
":The right of self defense is the 1st law of nature;in most gov'ts it has been the study of rules to confine this right within the narrowest possible limits...(when) the right of the people to keep & bear arms is under any pretext, whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, it's on the brink of destruction!
St. George Tucker


F the 2nd amendment.

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Mar 3, 2019 09:44:47   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Kevyn wrote:
What has your panties in a bunch? No one is grabbing any guns.


Yet.

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Mar 3, 2019 10:31:56   #
okie don
 
Speaking of guns, we just passed 'Constitutional Carry' here in Oklahoma.
We are the 14th State.
Just sharing...

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Mar 3, 2019 10:49:57   #
Reaper13
 
buffalo wrote:
LOL There are laws already in force that preclude criminals and crazies from buying or possessing guns. By your incessant moonbatty postings here on OPP, I am convinced you belong in the latter category and the fact that you admit that YOU own gun/s is proof that criminals and crazies don't obey laws.

"Legislators" (if that is what you want to call them) can pass all the restrictive guns laws they can get by with, but until they can figure out how to make criminals and crazies obey the laws they are just feel good, look what we're doing exercises in bulls**t.
LOL There are laws already in force that preclude ... (show quote)




Where in the second amendment does it say a person who has been found guilty of a felony and has done the time and has paid their debt to society can not own a gun?

I’m pretty sure there are laws about double jeopardy!

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Mar 3, 2019 11:45:58   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
One large part of gun regulation should be what drugs are u taking? Do u visit a psychologist regularly? These seem to b the predominant factor in the crazies! There is prevalence in a certain type of drug issued by so called doctors that tie all of the shooters together!

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