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Feb 23, 2019 11:39:56   #
Kazudy
 
TommyRadd wrote:
Hey, Crazylibertarian,
Perhaps PeterS ALSO had these exact things in mind when he set out to liken socialism to FDR, he just didn't want to mention them. Scary thought, huh?

One thing is for sure, he should know now and, from now on, any time he praises FDR or socialism we'll all know that he is perfectly fine with such "tolerable f*****t side effects" as these, he just doesn't want anyone to point them out!


Hey Tommy, notice how anything said that makes sense makes bad babozo laugh? I guess he's got some loose screws.

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Feb 23, 2019 11:45:27   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Kazudy wrote:
Hey Tommy, notice how anything said that makes sense makes bad babozo laugh? I guess he's got some loose screws.


I really shouldn't laugh at the brain dead, but I can't hep it.



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Feb 23, 2019 12:53:09   #
PJT
 
Nikolai: what oversimplification and misleading propaganda.

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Feb 23, 2019 13:18:08   #
Nickolai
 
old marine wrote:
As usual your Socialist Dim-O-Crat mind is totally wrong. Socialist agenda destroys not provide fot the old, dissble or poor.

Pedal your bull crap Socialist agenda to someone who may be dumb enough to believe it.





Every thing the government does publicly is socialism be it farm aid corporate subsidies. Building a subway, a dam, From 1911 to 1966 California built roads tunnels. all seven bridges that span the SF Bay and their modern replacements, scores of libraries, and public buildings, the California water project the most ambitious water project in the world, numerous city halls and 300 state college and university campuses. All were public works projects built with public money. There is no better example of Socialism

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Feb 23, 2019 13:29:02   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Nickolai wrote:
Every thing the government does publicly is socialism be it farm aid corporate subsidies. Building a subway, a dam, From 1911 to 1966 California built roads tunnels. all seven bridges that span the SF Bay and their modern replacements, scores of libraries, and public buildings, the California water project the most ambitious water project in the world, numerous city halls and 300 state college and university campuses. All were public works projects built with public money. There is no better example of Socialism
Every thing the government does publicly is social... (show quote)



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Feb 23, 2019 13:40:36   #
Nickolai
 
old marine wrote:
What. Comic book did you read that in?







I recommend the late William Manchester's epic 40 years narrative history from 1932 to 1972 If you want to get a full picture of the pre stock market crash in 1929 to the start of WW-ll read the first five chapters. It is eye opening. That's where I first learned about the Bonus army march on Washington DC in 1932 I's mind bending and very revealing

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Feb 23, 2019 13:49:36   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Nickolai wrote:
Neurologists can do a brain scan and determin quickly if you lean toward the conservative or liberal political spectrum. It's in the genes and you poor buggers cant help it if you lean right. While social environment the way your raised plays a large roll in this determination 30 40 % of it is genetic


Pure bull crap.

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Feb 23, 2019 13:53:35   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
old marine wrote:
Pure bull crap.



I’ve never read him being correct about anything, no matter what the topic. When presented with facts demolishing his position, he never comes back.

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Feb 23, 2019 13:55:51   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Nickolai wrote:
Those cable channels are doing their job of protecting the people and providing investigative journalism, holding leaders accountable A free press is a cornerstone of any free society. Lately, it’s been under attack, becoming the whipping boy of anyone looking for an easy target. Politicians and the press have an adversarial relationship, but there’s usually at least some semblance of respect. The current president has a particularly contentious relationship with the press, labeling anything he doesn’t like as f**e news.


At one point early on in the administration, he went so far as to call the press “the enemy of the people” in an angry tweet. All of this is a response to journalists doing their jobs, which is to hold the powerful to account using facts. There is, after all, a reason why oppressive regimes—for instance, Vladimir Putin’s—crack down on the independent press and invest in state-owned media/propaganda machines. Our founding fathers understood how important a free press is to a democracy and enshrined it in the constitution. That doesn’t keep the current POTUS from railing against it at every chance he gets.
Those cable channels are doing their job of protec... (show quote)


The press, or news outlets should be reporting the t***h and not the owners twisted verson of the t***h.

They usually post anything they can twist around to make the President look bad.

NEVER DO THE OWNERS print the tt***h about the crooked lying criminal Socialist own party, the Dim-O-Crats.

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Feb 23, 2019 14:00:38   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Nickolai wrote:
The government providing jobs is socialism. If capitalism cannot provide services to the people and government can that is socialism and if it works it is a good thing


Socialists destroy, they do not creat. Just look at all the countries Socialist agends destroyed.

Venezuela was almost destroyed by it.

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Feb 23, 2019 14:09:13   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate.

Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression d**gged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

After scrutinizing Roosevelt's record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years.

"Why the Great Depression lasted so long has always been a great mystery, and because we never really knew the reason, we have always worried whether we would have another 10- to 15-year economic slump," said Ohanian, vice chair of UCLA's Department of Economics. "We found that a relapse isn't likely unless lawmakers gum up a recovery with ill-conceived stimulus policies."

In an article in the August issue of the Journal of Political Economy, Ohanian and Cole blame specific anti-competition and pro-labor measures that Roosevelt promoted and signed into law June 16, 1933.

"President Roosevelt believed that excessive competition was responsible for the Depression by reducing prices and wages, and by extension reducing employment and demand for goods and services," said Cole, also a UCLA professor of economics. "So he came up with a recovery package that would be unimaginable today, allowing businesses in every industry to collude without the threat of antitrust prosecution and workers to demand salaries about 25 percent above where they ought to have been, given market forces. The economy was poised for a beautiful recovery, but that recovery was stalled by these misguided policies."

Using data collected in 1929 by the Conference Board and the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Cole and Ohanian were able to establish average wages and prices across a range of industries just prior to the Depression. By adjusting for annual increases in productivity, they were able to use the 1929 benchmark to figure out what prices and wages would have been during every year of the Depression had Roosevelt's policies not gone into effect. They then compared those figures with actual prices and wages as reflected in the Conference Board data.

In the three years following the implementation of Roosevelt's policies, wages in 11 key industries averaged 25 percent higher than they otherwise would have done, the economists calculate. But unemployment was also 25 percent higher than it should have been, given gains in productivity.

Meanwhile, prices across 19 industries averaged 23 percent above where they should have been, given the state of the economy. With goods and services that much harder for consumers to afford, demand stalled and the gross national product floundered at 27 percent below where it otherwise might have been.

"High wages and high prices in an economic slump run contrary to everything we know about market forces in economic downturns," Ohanian said. "As we've seen in the past several years, salaries and prices fall when unemployment is high. By artificially inflating both, the New Deal policies short-circuited the market's self-correcting forces."

The policies were contained in the National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA), which exempted industries from antitrust prosecution if they agreed to enter into collective bargaining agreements that significantly raised wages. Because protection from antitrust prosecution all but ensured higher prices for goods and services, a wide range of industries took the bait, Cole and Ohanian found. By 1934 more than 500 industries, which accounted for nearly 80 percent of private, non-agricultural employment, had entered into the collective bargaining agreements called for under NIRA.

Cole and Ohanian calculate that NIRA and its aftermath account for 60 percent of the weak recovery. Without the policies, they contend that the Depression would have ended in 1936 instead of the year when they believe the slump actually ended: 1943.

Roosevelt's role in lifting the nation out of the Great Depression has been so revered that Time magazine readers cited it in 1999 when naming him the 20th century's second-most influential figure.

"This is exciting and valuable research," said Robert E. Lucas Jr., the 1995 Nobel Laureate in economics, and the John Dewey Distinguished Service Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago. "The prevention and cure of depressions is a central mission of macroeconomics, and if we can't understand what happened in the 1930s, how can we be sure it won't happen again?"

NIRA's role in prolonging the Depression has not been more closely scrutinized because the Supreme Court declared the act unconstitutional within two years of its passage.

"Historians have assumed that the policies didn't have an impact because they were too short-lived, but the proof is in the pudding," Ohanian said. "We show that they really did artificially inflate wages and prices."

Even after being deemed unconstitutional, Roosevelt's anti-competition policies persisted — albeit under a different guise, the scholars found. Ohanian and Cole painstakingly documented the extent to which the Roosevelt administration looked the other way as industries once protected by NIRA continued to engage in price-fixing practices for four more years.

The number of antitrust cases brought by the Department of Justice fell from an average of 12.5 cases per year during the 1920s to an average of 6.5 cases per year from 1935 to 1938, the scholars found. Collusion had become so widespread that one Department of Interior official complained of receiving identical bids from a protected industry (steel) on 257 different occasions between mid-1935 and mid-1936. The bids were not only identical but also 50 percent higher than foreign steel prices. Without competition, wholesale prices remained inflated, averaging 14 percent higher than they would have been without the troublesome practices, the UCLA economists calculate.

NIRA's labor provisions, meanwhile, were strengthened in the National Relations Act, signed into law in 1935. As union membership doubled, so did labor's bargaining power, rising from 14 million strike days in 1936 to about 28 million in 1937. By 1939 wages in protected industries remained 24 percent to 33 percent above where they should have been, based on 1929 figures, Cole and Ohanian calculate. Unemployment persisted. By 1939 the U.S. unemployment rate was 17.2 percent, down somewhat from its 1933 peak of 24.9 percent but still remarkably high. By comparison, in May 2003, the unemployment rate of 6.1 percent was the highest in nine years.

Recovery came only after the Department of Justice dramatically stepped up enforcement of antitrust cases nearly four-fold and organized labor suffered a string of setbacks, the economists found.

"The fact that the Depression d**gged on for years convinced generations of economists and policy-makers that capitalism could not be trusted to recover from depressions and that significant government intervention was required to achieve good outcomes," Cole said. "Ironically, our work shows that the recovery would have been very rapid had the government not intervened."

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409
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About 90% of your cut and past from a known Socialist source is total bull crap.

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Feb 23, 2019 14:12:45   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Nickolai wrote:
At the end of the war the ND was 120 % of GDP by 1979 it was only 32 % of GDP yet Reagan campaigned whining about the debt being a stack of dollar bills from his hand to the moon. It was Reagan that started the nation living off of borrowed money by slashing taxes on the rich and running up the debt and with Trump we are back at it


More twisted bull crap. From a lying Socialist.

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Feb 23, 2019 14:14:43   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
old marine wrote:
About 90% of your cut and past from a known Socialist source is total bull crap.

Old Marine.... was this reply accurately assigned to me?

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Feb 23, 2019 14:28:29   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Nickolai wrote:
Every thing the government does publicly is socialism be it farm aid corporate subsidies. Building a subway, a dam, From 1911 to 1966 California built roads tunnels. all seven bridges that span the SF Bay and their modern replacements, scores of libraries, and public buildings, the California water project the most ambitious water project in the world, numerous city halls and 300 state college and university campuses. All were public works projects built with public money. There is no better example of Socialism
Every thing the government does publicly is social... (show quote)


Yes, the Socialist Dim-O-Crats or California spent trillions of our tax dollars on wasted programs, crooked contractors that gave kickbacks to the Socialist Dim-O-Crats to get the building contracts.

Most of the money for all these projects ended up in crooked Socialist Dim-O-Crats pockets. Only Californis benefitted from the taxpayers money.

Tell me again how the Socialist Dim-O-Crats are helping the poor people. San Francisco the garbage capitol of the world.

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Feb 23, 2019 14:34:32   #
PJT
 
Nickolai: that's nonsense. Government had a role in our lives and its NOT socialism. Its people helping themselves and their neighbors without excessive taxing.
Perhaps we should only did things that do not help anyone else.

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