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Feb 7, 2019 13:15:03   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
slatten49 wrote:
Both the original thread posting and subsequent posts have addressed my thoughts on this matter, Padre.

http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/outlines/government-1991/the-legislative-branch-the-reach-of-congress/oversight-powers-of-congress.php

Nothing new really, as Mr. Schiff is following in the historical footsteps of (among others) both Trey Gowdy and Devin Nunes. They were only two of the last to exercise p**********l oversight power given to congressional committees of the legislative branch by the United States Constitution. Not surprisingly, throughout the history of this country, numerous presidents have questioned legislative oversight when it pertains to their particular administration.

Keep in mind that all these investigations originated with republican leadership and Trump appointees. Perhaps GOP leadership never thought they would ever cede power to democrats in the house.
Both the original thread posting and subsequent po... (show quote)


Previously, however, the investigations were for cause. That is not the purpose of Schiff's probe. He wants an investigation to find a crime or to cause embarrassment because Progressives h**e Trump, no other reason! The Clinton investigations were shortstopped and sidetracked by Obama's corrupt DOJ and Holder held in contempt of Congress. What do you anticipate will happen if the MSM and Progressives take down Trump thru their BS tactics? I believe people will die!

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Feb 7, 2019 13:17:46   #
JediKnight
 
badbobby wrote:
I just want you Trump h**ers to comment
when and if
they find no collusion


Bobby: let's say Mueller wraps up and finds no concrete proof of "collusion." Should we just ignore all the other many crimes Trump and his people have committed?

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Feb 7, 2019 13:24:36   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
padremike wrote:
Previously, however, the investigations were for cause. That is not the purpose of Schiff's probe. He wants an investigation to find a crime or to cause embarrassment because Progressives h**e Trump, no other reason! The Clinton investigations were shortstopped and sidetracked by Obama's corrupt DOJ and Holder held in contempt of Congress. What do you anticipate will happen if the MSM and Progressives take down Trump thru their BS tactics? I believe people will die!


Sadly, Padre, that is an expected response, i.e., ones own 'cause' supersedes all others.

And, that is the reason for all 'partisan investigations'.

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Feb 7, 2019 14:16:53   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
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slatten49 wrote:
Sadly, Padre, that is an expected response, i.e., ones own 'cause' supersedes all others.

And, that is the reason for all 'partisan investigations'.


You believe Schiff's "cause" to be just?
Do you believe the futile subverted investigation of Hillary to be unjust or are both equal?

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Feb 7, 2019 15:18:32   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
padremike wrote:
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You believe Schiff's "cause" to be just?
Do you believe the futile subverted investigation of Hillary to be unjust or are both equal?

Perhaps you missed my view that chairmen and majorities of all the investigative committees believed any cause but their own as unjust. But, by virtue of each being constitutionally allowed, they are/were legally justified.

Lest you forget, there were at least seven republican investigations on the B******i debacle. For wh**ever reason one can conjure up, they all proved "futile." On the other hand, the singular republican investigation of collusion between members of this administration and the Trump e******n campaign with the Russians has proven far more successful with numerous guilty pleas, indictments and convictions. All of those came under the control of republican leadership, to include p**********l appointees. Plus...not to be forgotten...much more time was spent on B******i than has been on Russian collusion.

So, based on these facts alone, Schiff's cause is clearly constitutionally justified

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Feb 7, 2019 16:10:38   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
JediKnight wrote:
Bobby: let's say Mueller wraps up and finds no concrete proof of "collusion." Should we just ignore all the other many crimes Trump and his people have committed?


What other crimes has Trump committed??

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Feb 7, 2019 16:20:51   #
Carol Kelly
 
slatten49 wrote:
Do you think President Trump was right when he urged to stop "ridiculous partisan investigations” during his 2019 State of The Union Address and why?

Alex Denethorn, British citizen

There's only one particularly prominent investigation going on in the US right now, and it's one that Trump is right in the middle of. Sadly for him, it can't really be considered partisan: traditionally, an investigation with a Republican administration involved would be run by a Democrat.

Instead, a Republican President appointed a Republican AG, who in turn appointed an Assistant AG who thereby empowered a Republican Special Investigator to look into the possibility of foreign interference in a P**********l e******n, and to follow any leads, direct or otherwise, that might stem from that investigation.

Partisan? No: what we have now is a Republican President as a subject of a Republican-led investigation.
Bear in mind that this is the same man who (still) often leads his supporters in chants of "Lock her up!" at his political rallies, and who has often used suggestion of criminal misconduct by those who disagree with him as a means of slander. He has attacked President Obama, Hilary Clinton, even James Comey, all suggesting that they have engaged in high levels of criminal activity, yet without providing any evidence of this that would trigger the DOJ to act on it. For someone who is apparently against 'partisan investigations', he sure seems quick to point the finger - particularly for a man who has many close allies and colleagues currently under indictment, and for a man who has even been implicated in several criminal activities himself. Funny, that.

Trump is well aware that his actions both before and during his time as President have not been particularly above-board. He also knows that the priority of the Democrats in the House is now to reassert the oversight prerogatives that the Republicans have largely been ignoring (in their complicity of Trump's actions) over the past two years.

If any President had done half of what Trump has done, you could guarantee that hearings and impeachments would have been the result - hell, look at what was done to Bill Clinton. The restoration of the Democrats to congressional authority was largely on the basis of trying to regulate the President's overreach of authority, and ensure that he is held responsible for his actions - and the Democrats would be failing in their duty to the e*****rate not to follow through.

More than that, though, Trump is scared to death of Robert Mueller, and that's very telling. They do say that an innocent man has nothing to fear, and I feel that applies here. Trump is continuing his usual line of attempting to discredit investigations that are clearly pointing to him - but Mueller was empowered precisely because he is a diligent investigator known for his integrity and thoroughness, on both sides of the aisle. He's the type of man that won't stop until he's reached the very bottom of the barrel, and that scares the crap out of the President. If he's as innocent as he likes to claim, one has to ask: why?

Using the platform of the State of the Union to express this just goes to show how desperate Trump must be feeling - that was a personal plea to put an end to something that is clearly going to have significant ramifications for the President, something he very much seems to fear. I'm again brought back to that single thought: if he has nothing to hide, he should have nothing to fear. That he is responding this way, continuing that same consistent need to undermine judicial oversight…it says he's not innocent at all. He has something to hide, and he's terrified that wh**ever it is (whether kompromat, or something worse) is going to end up exposed.

End the 'partisan' investigations? Why would we do that: they've borne fruit so far, and for Trump to continue to react this way suggests that there's yet more to come. It isn't in the best interest of Donald Trump for the investigation to continue, but it's most definitely in the interests of the United States to get answers - something any other President would understand and even appreciate, I suspect.
Do you think President Trump was right when he urg... (show quote)


We do, indeed, have sufficient proof of wrongdoing by all those Democrats you named, but we also have evidence of wrong doing by Mueller, who although registered as a Republican has been in Clinton’s back pocket for many years. He was very much engaged in the Russia/Clinton uranium deal which helped to make the Clintons even richer. I don’t know where you’re coming from with all this ignorance but may you have your eyes opened for you and soon.

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Feb 7, 2019 16:24:22   #
Carol Kelly
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
What other crimes has Trump committed??


Excellent question. Please list these crimes and reference material. What is it you don’t like about living in a GREAT AMERICA? Maybe you have crimes in your past.
I’m s**k of all the ridiculous ravings of Socialists and all the more than ridiculous name calling.

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Feb 7, 2019 16:25:05   #
Carol Kelly
 
slatten49 wrote:
Perhaps you missed my view that chairmen and majorities of all the investigative committees believed any cause but their own as unjust. But, by virtue of each being constitutionally allowed, they are/were legally justified.

Lest you forget, there were at least seven republican investigations on the B******i debacle. For wh**ever reason one can conjure up, they all proved "futile." On the other hand, the singular republican investigation of collusion between members of this administration and the Trump e******n campaign with the Russians has proven far more successful with numerous guilty pleas, indictments and convictions. All of those came under the control of republican leadership, to include p**********l appointees. Plus...not to be forgotten...much more time was spent on B******i than has been on Russian collusion.

So, based on these facts alone, Schiff's cause is clearly constitutionally justified
Perhaps you missed my view that chairmen and major... (show quote)

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Feb 7, 2019 16:26:55   #
Carol Kelly
 
I really wish, Slatten, that you wouldn’t mention the angst that was B******i again.
That was Hilary’s open hostility to brave Americans.

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Feb 7, 2019 16:34:53   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
We do, indeed, have sufficient proof of wrongdoing by all those Democrats you named, but we also have evidence of wrong doing by Mueller, who although registered as a Republican has been in Clinton’s back pocket for many years. He was very much engaged in the Russia/Clinton uranium deal which helped to make the Clintons even richer. I don’t know where you’re coming from with all this ignorance but may you have your eyes opened for you and soon.


Carol, the author (not I) actually named all individuals in his verbatim writing I posted. As you suggested, I'm too ignorant to know who they all are.

However, I'm encouraged by your heartwarming concern for me.

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Feb 7, 2019 16:43:29   #
bahmer
 
padremike wrote:
Does it concern you that Schiff is now opening a new investigation into every aspect of Trump's life, no restrictions whatsoever, pre and post presidency, no need required by Congress to even claim any unlawful act before they investigate and they have no restrictions on what they can or cannot reveal? It fits well your new word kompromat. It also fits well to demonstrate the tyranny of the left!


Amen and Amen

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Feb 7, 2019 16:47:33   #
JediKnight
 
slatten49 wrote:
Perhaps you missed my view that chairmen and majorities of all the investigative committees believed any cause but their own as unjust. But, by virtue of each being constitutionally allowed, they are/were legally justified.

Lest you forget, there were at least seven republican investigations on the B******i debacle. For wh**ever reason one can conjure up, they all proved "futile." On the other hand, the singular republican investigation of collusion between members of this administration and the Trump e******n campaign with the Russians has proven far more successful with numerous guilty pleas, indictments and convictions. All of those came under the control of republican leadership, to include p**********l appointees. Plus...not to be forgotten...much more time was spent on B******i than has been on Russian collusion.

So, based on these facts alone, Schiff's cause is clearly constitutionally justified
Perhaps you missed my view that chairmen and major... (show quote)


I am in 100% agreement to your post...........and to that I say "amen!"

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Feb 7, 2019 16:50:02   #
JediKnight
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
What other crimes has Trump committed??


At the risk of sounding as ignorant as you do - let's start with the ones Mueller has already indicted and received guilty pleas and jail time for.....Trump is directly involved in most of those, and needs to be held accountable. Also, don't think I didn't notice you riding in uninvited.

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Feb 7, 2019 16:55:04   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
I really wish, Slatten, that you wouldn’t mention the angst that was B******i again.
That was Hilary’s open hostility to brave Americans.

I understand angst, Carol. Besides suffering losses in Viet Nam, I have also lived for years remembering the loss of 220 U.S. Marines, 18 Sailors, 3 American citizens and 60+ others who died in the 1983 Marine Barrack's bombing in Beirut. President Reagan's White House had given orders disallowing our Marines to have loaded weapons in defense of their compound. Reagan's intended purpose was to present a peaceful presence. Little to nothing came of the following investigations, as it was quickly brushed aside with both misinformation and/or disinformation.

I had buddies from 'Nam who were stationed in those barracks. So, yeah, I know angst...to include those 4 who tragically died at B******i.

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