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Feb 6, 2019 21:33:02   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Trooper745 wrote:
If that's you in the tweet, and/or if you don't know the many differences between a military M-4 and a civilian AR-15, you're an i***t.



I do know the differance.. it is not me,,, I was in the Marines a long time ago..

And the obvious information is very correct..

the nomenclature is used in many articles and postings, it not been totally correct or to the point means nothing..



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Feb 6, 2019 21:41:45   #
Trooper745 Loc: Carolina
 
permafrost wrote:
I do know the differance.. it is not me,,, I was in the Marines a long time ago..

And the obvious information is very correct..

the nomenclature is used in many articles and postings, it not been totally correct or to the point means nothing..


Good grief! You do babble a lot. Protecting my home is not the primary reason I own an AR rifle. An AR-15 has many other good uses.

Additionally my right to own an AR-15, it isn't a matter of whether or not I need it to protect my home, the most important fact is that the the second amendment says I have a right to own and carry ANY personal firearm I desire.

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Feb 6, 2019 21:58:09   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Trooper745 wrote:
Good grief! You do babble a lot. Protecting my home is not the primary reason I own an AR rifle. An AR-15 has many other good uses.

Additionally my right to own an AR-15, it isn't a matter of whether or not I need it to protect my home, the most important fact is that the the second amendment says I have a right to own and carry ANY personal firearm I desire.




You are correct, on both points..

guns.... used to like discussion on them.. I have 14 at last count.

also at least that many "stored" here for an indefinite period..

in that bunch are two AR-15s.. one a colt version.. do not recall the other..

among my own, i have a very nice 270 which was/is my deer rifle.. some assorted so-so guns,
and an actual gun of note, mfg in the 1800s and chambered for 32-40..

which to my surprise I have been able to find cartridge whenever I have looked.

fun to have it, but it is not very accurate and has a hair trigger problem.

If you lever out the shells, it is very likely to drop the hammer and fire a round..

Oh in style think of a Winchester model 70 like the western movies used.. so the round stored in a tube below the barrel and lever action mechanism..

Now, I am going to find my book.. have a good night..

gee, maybe i do babble....

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Feb 6, 2019 22:00:13   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
You are correct, on both points..

guns.... used to like discussion on them.. I have 14 at last count.

also at least that many "stored" here for an indefinite period..

in that bunch are two AR-15s.. one a colt version.. do not recall the other..

among my own, i have a very nice 270 which was/is my deer rifle.. some assorted so-so guns,
and an actual gun of note, mfg in the 1800s and chambered for 32-40..

which to my surprise I have been able to find cartridge whenever I have looked.

fun to have it, but it is not very accurate and has a hair trigger problem.

If you lever out the shells, it is very likely to drop the hammer and fire a round..

Oh in style think of a Winchester model 70 like the western movies used.. so the round stored in a tube below the barrel and lever action mechanism..

Now, I am going to find my book.. have a good night..

gee, maybe i do babble....
You are correct, on both points.. br br guns....... (show quote)



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Feb 6, 2019 22:02:49   #
Trooper745 Loc: Carolina
 
permafrost wrote:
...gee, maybe i do babble....


That problem comes with our age. Semper Fi.

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Feb 7, 2019 07:12:06   #
waltmoreno
 
slatten49 wrote:
Do you think President Trump was right when he urged to stop "ridiculous partisan investigations” during his 2019 State of The Union Address and why?

Alex Denethorn, British citizen

There's only one particularly prominent investigation going on in the US right now, and it's one that Trump is right in the middle of. Sadly for him, it can't really be considered partisan: traditionally, an investigation with a Republican administration involved would be run by a Democrat.

Instead, a Republican President appointed a Republican AG, who in turn appointed an Assistant AG who thereby empowered a Republican Special Investigator to look into the possibility of foreign interference in a P**********l e******n, and to follow any leads, direct or otherwise, that might stem from that investigation.

Partisan? No: what we have now is a Republican President as a subject of a Republican-led investigation.
Bear in mind that this is the same man who (still) often leads his supporters in chants of "Lock her up!" at his political rallies, and who has often used suggestion of criminal misconduct by those who disagree with him as a means of slander. He has attacked President Obama, Hilary Clinton, even James Comey, all suggesting that they have engaged in high levels of criminal activity, yet without providing any evidence of this that would trigger the DOJ to act on it. For someone who is apparently against 'partisan investigations', he sure seems quick to point the finger - particularly for a man who has many close allies and colleagues currently under indictment, and for a man who has even been implicated in several criminal activities himself. Funny, that.

Trump is well aware that his actions both before and during his time as President have not been particularly above-board. He also knows that the priority of the Democrats in the House is now to reassert the oversight prerogatives that the Republicans have largely been ignoring (in their complicity of Trump's actions) over the past two years.

If any President had done half of what Trump has done, you could guarantee that hearings and impeachments would have been the result - hell, look at what was done to Bill Clinton. The restoration of the Democrats to congressional authority was largely on the basis of trying to regulate the President's overreach of authority, and ensure that he is held responsible for his actions - and the Democrats would be failing in their duty to the e*****rate not to follow through.

More than that, though, Trump is scared to death of Robert Mueller, and that's very telling. They do say that an innocent man has nothing to fear, and I feel that applies here. Trump is continuing his usual line of attempting to discredit investigations that are clearly pointing to him - but Mueller was empowered precisely because he is a diligent investigator known for his integrity and thoroughness, on both sides of the aisle. He's the type of man that won't stop until he's reached the very bottom of the barrel, and that scares the crap out of the President. If he's as innocent as he likes to claim, one has to ask: why?

Using the platform of the State of the Union to express this just goes to show how desperate Trump must be feeling - that was a personal plea to put an end to something that is clearly going to have significant ramifications for the President, something he very much seems to fear. I'm again brought back to that single thought: if he has nothing to hide, he should have nothing to fear. That he is responding this way, continuing that same consistent need to undermine judicial oversight…it says he's not innocent at all. He has something to hide, and he's terrified that wh**ever it is (whether kompromat, or something worse) is going to end up exposed.

End the 'partisan' investigations? Why would we do that: they've borne fruit so far, and for Trump to continue to react this way suggests that there's yet more to come. It isn't in the best interest of Donald Trump for the investigation to continue, but it's most definitely in the interests of the United States to get answers - something any other President would understand and even appreciate, I suspect.
Do you think President Trump was right when he urg... (show quote)


The only convictions that have come about as a result of Mueller’s sweeping, all encompassing Russian-collusion investigation are either for process crimes (such as lying to investigators) as with Flynn. Or for crimes which occurred years or decades before Trump ran for president. Cohen, Manafort.
Saying it’s just a grand jury and not Mueller doing the indicting is disingenuous. The grand jury can only act on what prosecutor Mueller puts in front of them - nothing else! How convenient that Mueller has chosen not to put any of the mountain of evidence of Democrat party crimes in front of the grand jury. Pay-for-play evidence of how Hillary ran the State Dept. The tens of thousands of emails deleted and scrubbed by Hillary on her private server so they would never see the light of day. If Mueller was objective and brought even a fraction of that evidence before a grand jury we’d have the Dems screaming to end the special counsel. And we’d have lots of convictions and jail sentences for lots of Dems starting at the very top and going down.
Mueller is 100% a partisan hack whose sole mission is to stop the Trump phenomenon because so far there’s been no other way to even begin to slow down this force of nature. He’s the insurance policy Strozk told his lover Lisa Page about. Who needs a POS special prosecutor gumming up the works and slowing down progress? Especially since Trump’s as clean as the driven snow or we would all have heard about it a long long time ago.
Trump will outlast Mueller and be invincable after that!!!
MAGA!!! Through 2024 and well after that! As Trump said at the SOTU address, “we’re just getting started!”

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Feb 7, 2019 07:54:12   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Trooper745 wrote:
You lying, silly hypocrites! When Bill Clinton was quite obviously guilty of perjury, rape and just simply being a dirty old pervert, ... did you l*****t hypocrites want t***h to have its day then? Hell NO!

When Hillary Clinton was lying her guts out about B******i and her emails, ... did you l*****t hypocrites want t***h to have its day then? Hell NO!

When Bath House Barry Obama was lying his guts out about Obamacare and almost everything else he said, ... did you l*****t hypocrites want t***h to have its day then? Hell NO!

Nancy Pelosi's lying, ..... Hell NO!

You're all a bunch of lying extremist wacko l*****t hypocrites. You're lying again, if you try to deny it.
You lying, silly hypocrites! When Bill Clinton wa... (show quote)

My fellow Marine (as is Permafrost), I respectfully disagree with you on this matter. Due to your obvious passion on the topic and in order to give it reasonable thought, I waited in responding to this comment of yours. This, because I did not want to assault your character or of those who align with you...as you so seemingly want to do mine or others who disagree with you.

I strongly suggest to you that it is irrefutable that many from opposing viewpoints are often guilty of lying and hypocrisy. I decided the best way to respond is by quoting a particularly relevant excerpt from a poster on another, somewhat related previous thread:

"I am always amazed when Americans, on either side of the aisle, are willing to overlook government malfeasance and possible weaponization of government agencies just because they support the ideologies of the perpetrators. Is the advancement of political ideology so damn important that you are willing to surrender liberty, sovereignty, and the rule of law to these bad actors? Your guy is worse than my guy so there?

Geez people. If there is even a whiff of corruption anywhere in the halls of power, we should all want to root it out wherever it's found. No matter who's in power -- Republican or Democrat -- we should all want honest and t***hful governance. And we don't get that, we will never get that, if we keep overlooking the rule of law because heaven forbid it might ensnare someone we v**ed for."

I won't attempt to put it any better. But, I will again suggest all of us avoiding casting verbal stones at those with whom we disagree. Because, in essence, perhaps we all live in glass houses.

Semper Fi

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Feb 7, 2019 09:02:35   #
maryla
 
He has nothing wrong as proven by the fruitless investigations. Investigations like this are unprecedented not to mention a terrible waste of funds. These funds could be spent better in Syria or on the deficit instead of trying to convince the Americans of their chosen leader's faults..done some 40 years ago.

Have you any skeleton's in your closet?? I would say we all do but most people will live and learn. It is time to move on.
slatten49 wrote:
Do you think President Trump was right when he urged to stop "ridiculous partisan investigations” during his 2019 State of The Union Address and why?

Alex Denethorn, British citizen

There's only one particularly prominent investigation going on in the US right now, and it's one that Trump is right in the middle of. Sadly for him, it can't really be considered partisan: traditionally, an investigation with a Republican administration involved would be run by a Democrat.

Instead, a Republican President appointed a Republican AG, who in turn appointed an Assistant AG who thereby empowered a Republican Special Investigator to look into the possibility of foreign interference in a P**********l e******n, and to follow any leads, direct or otherwise, that might stem from that investigation.

Partisan? No: what we have now is a Republican President as a subject of a Republican-led investigation.
Bear in mind that this is the same man who (still) often leads his supporters in chants of "Lock her up!" at his political rallies, and who has often used suggestion of criminal misconduct by those who disagree with him as a means of slander. He has attacked President Obama, Hilary Clinton, even James Comey, all suggesting that they have engaged in high levels of criminal activity, yet without providing any evidence of this that would trigger the DOJ to act on it. For someone who is apparently against 'partisan investigations', he sure seems quick to point the finger - particularly for a man who has many close allies and colleagues currently under indictment, and for a man who has even been implicated in several criminal activities himself. Funny, that.

Trump is well aware that his actions both before and during his time as President have not been particularly above-board. He also knows that the priority of the Democrats in the House is now to reassert the oversight prerogatives that the Republicans have largely been ignoring (in their complicity of Trump's actions) over the past two years.

If any President had done half of what Trump has done, you could guarantee that hearings and impeachments would have been the result - hell, look at what was done to Bill Clinton. The restoration of the Democrats to congressional authority was largely on the basis of trying to regulate the President's overreach of authority, and ensure that he is held responsible for his actions - and the Democrats would be failing in their duty to the e*****rate not to follow through.

More than that, though, Trump is scared to death of Robert Mueller, and that's very telling. They do say that an innocent man has nothing to fear, and I feel that applies here. Trump is continuing his usual line of attempting to discredit investigations that are clearly pointing to him - but Mueller was empowered precisely because he is a diligent investigator known for his integrity and thoroughness, on both sides of the aisle. He's the type of man that won't stop until he's reached the very bottom of the barrel, and that scares the crap out of the President. If he's as innocent as he likes to claim, one has to ask: why?

Using the platform of the State of the Union to express this just goes to show how desperate Trump must be feeling - that was a personal plea to put an end to something that is clearly going to have significant ramifications for the President, something he very much seems to fear. I'm again brought back to that single thought: if he has nothing to hide, he should have nothing to fear. That he is responding this way, continuing that same consistent need to undermine judicial oversight…it says he's not innocent at all. He has something to hide, and he's terrified that wh**ever it is (whether kompromat, or something worse) is going to end up exposed.

End the 'partisan' investigations? Why would we do that: they've borne fruit so far, and for Trump to continue to react this way suggests that there's yet more to come. It isn't in the best interest of Donald Trump for the investigation to continue, but it's most definitely in the interests of the United States to get answers - something any other President would understand and even appreciate, I suspect.
Do you think President Trump was right when he urg... (show quote)

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Feb 7, 2019 10:01:04   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
maryla wrote:
He has nothing wrong as proven by the fruitless investigations. Investigations like this are unprecedented not to mention a terrible waste of funds. These funds could be spent better in Syria or on the deficit instead of trying to convince the Americans of their chosen leader's faults..done some 40 years ago.

Have you any skeleton's in your closet?? I would say we all do but most people will live and learn. It is time to move on.

I would say, with a great deal of certainty, that the recipients of all such political/partisan investigations have made and continue to make the same arguments, i.e., read the above post to Trooper. Those arguments almost always fall on deaf ears, especially the ears of opposing factions or party.

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Feb 7, 2019 10:39:31   #
JediKnight
 
bahmer wrote:
I would not expect a British citizen to fully understand this at all. Robert Mueller is not a republican unless he can be classified as republican because he is a RINO. All of the collusion appears to be on the democrat side and from there on it is only for a show. This whole collusion thing was to keep the egg off of Hilary Clinton's face and so far it is failing miserably because all of the egg is squarely on Hillary's face and no other except maybe Obama. The democrats feel that the republicans stood in the way of Barack Obama and now they are standing in the way of Trump it is like a couple of little kids having a fight. You did it first, no I didn't, did too, did not. Etc.
I would not expect a British citizen to fully unde... (show quote)


Your response above smacks of incredulity. With all of the indictments -against republicans -all the ongoing investigations -against republicans -and all of the ongoing scandals -mostly republicans -how can you even dare say that "the whole collusion thing was to keep Hilary clean?" It appears that you are as delusional as Trump. sad. Mueller classifies himself as 'republican.' And please, pray tell, WHAT collusion appears to be on the democrats?

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Feb 7, 2019 12:08:29   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
slatten49 wrote:
I think it is clear Mr. Denethorn understands the dynamics of the investigation quite well, and being British may very well allow his being more objective than the average partisan American v**er. But, who knows, as it is just another opinion among many.

On the upside, I did learn a new word, 'kompromat.' Noun; compromising information collected for use in blackmailing, discrediting, or manipulating someone...typically for political purposes.
I think it is clear Mr. Denethorn understands the ... (show quote)


Does it concern you that Schiff is now opening a new investigation into every aspect of Trump's life, no restrictions whatsoever, pre and post presidency, no need required by Congress to even claim any unlawful act before they investigate and they have no restrictions on what they can or cannot reveal? It fits well your new word kompromat. It also fits well to demonstrate the tyranny of the left!

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Feb 7, 2019 12:19:09   #
maryla
 
Schiff is just an i***t, showing his true colors,,,
padremike wrote:
Does it concern you that Schiff is now opening a new investigation into every aspect of Trump's life, no restrictions whatsoever, pre and post presidency, no need required by Congress to even claim any unlawful act before they investigate and they have no restrictions on what they can or cannot reveal? It fits well your new word kompromat. It also fits well to demonstrate the tyranny of the left!

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Feb 7, 2019 12:44:05   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
padremike wrote:
Does it concern you that Schiff is now opening a new investigation into every aspect of Trump's life, no restrictions whatsoever, pre and post presidency, no need required by Congress to even claim any unlawful act before they investigate and they have no restrictions on what they can or cannot reveal? It fits well your new word kompromat. It also fits well to demonstrate the tyranny of the left!


Both the original thread posting and subsequent posts have addressed my thoughts on this matter, Padre.

http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/outlines/government-1991/the-legislative-branch-the-reach-of-congress/oversight-powers-of-congress.php

Nothing new really, as Mr. Schiff is following in the historical footsteps of (among others) both Trey Gowdy and Devin Nunes. They were only two of the last to exercise p**********l oversight power given to congressional committees of the legislative branch by the United States Constitution. Not surprisingly, throughout the history of this country, numerous presidents have questioned legislative oversight when it pertains to their particular administration.

Keep in mind that all these investigations originated with republican leadership and Trump appointees. Perhaps GOP leadership never thought they would ever cede power to democrats in the house.

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Feb 7, 2019 12:55:50   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
Well said, Doc. "sm24:

"It's time to stop trying to outsmart the t***h, and let it have its day."

The wheels of justice are slow, but in the end, justice (wh**ever that may be) usually arrives.

I just want you Trump h**ers to comment
when and if
they find no collusion

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Feb 7, 2019 13:11:09   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
badbobby wrote:
I just want you Trump h**ers to comment
when and if
they find no collusion



They may never prove anything on the orange guy...

If all is verbal, proof will be well nigh impossable..

Such a sad thought..



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