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Jan 12, 2019 15:09:30   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
maximus wrote:
No doubt...horrible...inhumane. I agree 100%. But it still all adds up to us being where we are today. Do we want to tell our children about gouging eyes out, cutting off limbs, and tongues cut out. When I was in school, we also learned about Lief Erickson. Just recently, I read where there is evidence that early Chinese sailed to our western shore, making them "the first" by a long shot. I think Columbus got the recognition because as far as people back then knew, he was the first to say to himself, If we sail west far enough, we will reach the far Eastern Shore. At that time, we didn't know about Lief and the Chinese. Lief was a Viking and there were hardly a more bloodthirsty people to be found. Herbert Hoover was a t**********e, do we really need to teach this to our children? All I meant about history is this; if you find a diamond ring in a trash pile, the diamond will be remembered, NOT the trash.
No doubt...horrible...inhumane. I agree 100%. But ... (show quote)


Excuse me.


Sir..my point is there is no point in honoring Columbus for what he didn't do.

You teach children dishonesty as not relevant.

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Jan 12, 2019 15:10:53   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Oh, the sunnuvab***h was vetted alright, but the media and the New World Order politicians organized the most impressive lie support system in history. I am the fool for doubting that obama is the most brilliant man ever to graduate from Harvard and that he was born in Hawaii and worked to overcome every obstacle just because he is black?
Bullmueller. Obama ain't even black. The kenyan born spawn of an Indonesian cult leader and an expatriate American c*******t rode the praises of the media right to the Whitehouse.
Biggest h**x in history.
Oh, the sunnuvab***h was vetted alright, but the ... (show quote)


Accurate!

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Jan 12, 2019 15:20:24   #
Morgan
 
White Knight wrote:
When you hear about a "Poll" question everything about it.....most polls are used to manipulate public opinion. Example: When doing a poll on acceptance of homosexuality....the poll takers purposely skew their data by taking a poll with lets say 70% of the targeted population they ask questions actually being homosexual. This happens all the time. If you are pushing the L**T movement and you want positive polls concerning homosexuality....you target homosexual populations so you achieve positive results....then you front the poll like the population targeted was totally random.....which is usually a big lie. So when people like me that believe homosexuality is a sin.....we look at the poll and say" wow....92% of the population now thinks homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle".....the poll is meant to make you think "wow i'm in the 8% minority.....something must be wrong with my thinking....i need to make an adjustment in my thinking if i'm in the 8% minority". People naturally want to agree with others and they don't want to think in the minority....but they should. All of the evil stands in the majority opinions... trying as they can to manipulate society until there is no black and white anymore...only gray....sad isn't it. Do not believe polls....they are just Psychological Operations used to undermine your morality and to have one surrender their God given ability to think for themselves. When Target (the shopping center) decided that if a man felt like a woman on any given day that they could use the woman's bathroom instead of the men's bathroom.....i decided that they did not need my money and i won't even park in their parking lot....because i don't want to market for Target. how many people will allow a man to enter a woman's bathroom when their daughter is already in that bathroom? Anyone? But ....this is just how polls work....meant to sway public opinion....so that the man entering a woman's bathroom is not a creep but actually is a hero....a hero! haha. See how absurd polls really are....just there to manipulate us all. When you see a poll.....assume the poll is corrupt....because most of them are......then run away.
When you hear about a "Poll" question ev... (show quote)


That is a very wide brush you're using on polls. Yes, I'd agree, some are the to manipulate while other's are there for information and not biasedly taken, there to promote information and better understanding of our society.

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Jan 12, 2019 15:56:48   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Morgan wrote:
That is a very wide brush you're using on polls. Yes, I'd agree, some are the to manipulate while other's are there for information and not biasedly taken, there to promote information and better understanding of our society.


Kommiecrats have no interest in understanding society or anything else. Their mission is to change society, just like the Messiah obama said, and polling in their favor helps, despite the fact that everyone knows that kommiecrat polling is skewed for a positive kommiecrat outcome.
...except for Trump. They thought they had that fixed every which way possible.

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Jan 12, 2019 15:58:15   #
Morgan
 
maximus wrote:
That's a matter of opinion, yours and mine. They differ. But, what I stated is true.
If it was all about research and development, science and great achievements, I'd be all for "moving forward". But the left's idea of moving forward is what I stated before. There are no screaming mobs protesting for science. There was a ripple when Trump got elected, but I haven't heard a word since then. Those points I mentioned are real and are promoted by the l*****ts as progress. Ben Franklin was an inventor and a scientist, a philosopher and an entrepreneur, but he still was instrumental in writing our most cherished of documents, our Constitution. I promise you, he did not see a position like the left holds with today as desirable. THAT, Morgan, is why the constitution was written the way it was. Many in your party say the Constitution is outdated and need to be replaced. Many call for socialism. Some call for c*******m. If you lump all these undesirable positions in with science, then you make science worthless.
What I said before and just now is true, not relative t***h but actual t***h.
That's a matter of opinion, yours and mine. They d... (show quote)


First, I... like Benjamin Franklin consider myself an independent, I'm not a party person. Where have you been, people have been protesting like crazy, especially over the EPA, which is all about science and facts.

Your points are real, to you, to me they are completely distorted and since you consider me to the left, which I do lean more towards than the right, I think I have a right to say your statements are distorted in order to make us look, unfavourable and yourselves appear in the right, as you would have it,"the moral right" It is a d******e language. You are generalizing in thinking the masses on the left all think the same, on every issue, they don't, I believe the same for the right. It would take time to refute all of your statements, which I'm not willing to do so I'll simply say they are inaccurate.

I don't think you can put socialism into a science, socialism is about behaviours, and no your summarization or definition is not actual t***h, it is relative it is subjective.

At times, clearly the Constitution was outdated, and the rectifications through amendments were appropriate.

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Jan 12, 2019 16:00:00   #
moldyoldy
 
Morgan wrote:
That is a very wide brush you're using on polls. Yes, I'd agree, some are the to manipulate while other's are there for information and not biasedly taken, there to promote information and better understanding of our society.


That is how he justifies his misguided thinking.

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Jan 12, 2019 16:01:27   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Morgan wrote:
First, I... like Benjamin Franklin consider myself an independent, I'm not a party person. Where have you been, people have been protesting like crazy, especially over the EPA, which is all about science and facts.

Your points are real, to you, to me they are completely distorted and since you consider me to the left, which I do lean more towards than the right, I think I have a right to say your statements are distorted in order to make us look, unfavourable and yourselves appear in the right, as you would have it,"the moral right" It is a d******e language. You are generalizing in thinking the masses on the left all think the same, on every issue, they don't, I believe the same for the right. It would take time to refute all of your statements, which I'm not willing to do so I'll simply say they are inaccurate.

I don't think you can put socialism into a science, socialism is about behaviours, and no your summarization or definition is not actual t***h, it is relative it is subjective.

At times, clearly the Constitution was outdated, and the rectifications through amendments were appropriate.
First, I... like Benjamin Franklin consider myself... (show quote)


Are you an American, Morgan?

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Jan 12, 2019 16:01:28   #
Morgan
 
byronglimish wrote:
Excuse me.


Sir..my point is there is no point in honoring Columbus for what he didn't do.

You teach children dishonesty as not relevant.



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Jan 12, 2019 16:08:52   #
Rose42
 
Morgan wrote:
Yes, you are in about every way, from taking away equal rights to undermining new efforts in energy.

As a philosophy, being progressive is based on the idea of progress, which asserts that advancements in science, technology, economic development and social organization are vital to the improvement of the human condition. The only place a conservative might be progressive is in the science of R&D in weaponry, as far as all others categories, they are null and void. Hell, they won't even accept new findings from NASA or the EPA on climate. They not only don't want to read it, now Trump and his administration behave as dictators, by making new research unobtainable to the public, you can't behave more like a dictator than that.

Isn't it funny, now, YOU want to be all "relative" and subjective when it comes to the t***h.

Your "moving forward" superlatives are pure party propaganda twists.
Yes, you are in about every way, from taking away ... (show quote)


The majority of those in the eugenics movement were progressives of that era. Progressives have a history of moral decay.

If a progressively amoral society is moving forward then yes that's what progressives do. The so-called philosophy of the progressives also approves of k*****g unborn children (marketed as a "pro choice") and promotes g****r identity dysfunction. Even more unconscionable is promoting g****r confusion in children.

There is nothing more despicable than warping young children's minds.

Progressives also favor trial by media and guilty until proven innocent - just one example is the Kavanaugh appointment.

Progressivism is a cancer in our society. Classic liberalism is not. The democrat party has swung too far left and now stands for and promotes moral decay.

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Jan 12, 2019 16:13:04   #
Bcon
 
White Knight wrote:
When you hear about a "Poll" question everything about it.....most polls are used to manipulate public opinion. Example: When doing a poll on acceptance of homosexuality....the poll takers purposely skew their data by taking a poll with lets say 70% of the targeted population they ask questions actually being homosexual. This happens all the time. If you are pushing the L**T movement and you want positive polls concerning homosexuality....you target homosexual populations so you achieve positive results....then you front the poll like the population targeted was totally random.....which is usually a big lie. So when people like me that believe homosexuality is a sin.....we look at the poll and say" wow....92% of the population now thinks homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle".....the poll is meant to make you think "wow i'm in the 8% minority.....something must be wrong with my thinking....i need to make an adjustment in my thinking if i'm in the 8% minority". People naturally want to agree with others and they don't want to think in the minority....but they should. All of the evil stands in the majority opinions... trying as they can to manipulate society until there is no black and white anymore...only gray....sad isn't it. Do not believe polls....they are just Psychological Operations used to undermine your morality and to have one surrender their God given ability to think for themselves. When Target (the shopping center) decided that if a man felt like a woman on any given day that they could use the woman's bathroom instead of the men's bathroom.....i decided that they did not need my money and i won't even park in their parking lot....because i don't want to market for Target. how many people will allow a man to enter a woman's bathroom when their daughter is already in that bathroom? Anyone? But ....this is just how polls work....meant to sway public opinion....so that the man entering a woman's bathroom is not a creep but actually is a hero....a hero! haha. See how absurd polls really are....just there to manipulate us all. When you see a poll.....assume the poll is corrupt....because most of them are......then run away.
When you hear about a "Poll" question ev... (show quote)


In the last p**********l e******n, Trump was so far down in the polls that he didn’t have a chance if winning, until he did. Great polls. When H.S. Truman was running against Tom Dewey the polls had Deeeyby a landslide. Headlines were printed and papers had to be called back from sale because they said Deeey by a Landslide. So much
For accuracy of polls.

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Jan 12, 2019 16:13:59   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Rose42 wrote:
The majority of those in the eugenics movement were progressives of that era. Progressives have a history of moral decay.

If a progressively amoral society is moving forward then yes that's what progressives do. The so-called philosophy of the progressives also approves of k*****g unborn children (marketed as a "pro choice") and promotes g****r identity dysfunction. Even more unconscionable is promoting g****r confusion in children.

There is nothing more despicable than warping young children's minds.

Progressives also favor trial by media and guilty until proven innocent - just one example is the Kavanaugh appointment.

Progressivism is a cancer in our society. Classic liberalism is not. The democrat party has swung too far left and now stands for and promotes moral decay.
The majority of those in the eugenics movement wer... (show quote)

Progressivism replaces the constitution and the culture and the economy.
Liberalism replaces the Church with more government oversight of charity and morality.
Neither good.

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Jan 12, 2019 16:18:32   #
Morgan
 
Rose42 wrote:
The majority of those in the eugenics movement were progressives of that era. Progressives have a history of moral decay.

If a progressively amoral society is moving forward then yes that's what progressives do. The so-called philosophy of the progressives also approves of k*****g unborn children (marketed as a "pro choice") and promotes g****r identity dysfunction. Even more unconscionable is promoting g****r confusion in children.

There is nothing more despicable than warping young children's minds.

Progressives also favor trial by media and guilty until proven innocent - just one example is the Kavanaugh appointment.

Progressivism is a cancer in our society. Classic liberalism is not. The democrat party has swung too far left and now stands for and promotes moral decay.
The majority of those in the eugenics movement wer... (show quote)


Oh Brother

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Jan 12, 2019 16:20:56   #
Rose42
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Progressivism replaces the constitution and the culture and the economy.
Liberalism replaces the Church with more government oversight of charity and morality.
Neither good.


I'm speaking of classic liberalism which is more like what the founders were. More libertarian/conservative. They wouldn't be democrats today.

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Jan 12, 2019 16:35:28   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Rose42 wrote:
I'm speaking of classic liberalism which is more like what the founders were. More libertarian/conservative. They wouldn't be democrats today.


Harry Truman?
JFK?
George HW Bush?

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Jan 12, 2019 17:50:43   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
moldyoldy wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitics/videos/546192149193365/
Thank you for the link. I missed that. However, I'm going to disagree with you as to its significance. For as long as walls have been built, tunnels have been built. The existence of tunnels doesn't mean that you shouldn't have a wall. Tunneling is a work-intensive process. If the tunnel goes any distance at all, it's a huge undertaking. So let's look at 2 scenarios.
S1.) I buy your logic and don't build a wall/fence. Mike, the i*****l a***n gets to the border, encounters nothing and walks across the border. (no delay)
S2.) I have a wall/fence. Mike, faced with a wall/fence must:
a. Try to make it over or through the wall/fence. (delayed)
b. Try to cross somewhere else where there may not be a wall/fence. (delayed)
c. Take the time to tunnel under the wall/fence (really delayed)
d. Go back home (deterred at least temporarily)

The Border Patrol "patrols". With the help of sensors, drones, helicopters, etc. they are directed to places that they are needed. They cannot be everywhere at once. If you delay the crossing, the odds increase that the crossing is noticed and responded to.

I was in Korea for 13 months near the DMZ back in the mid 70s. They found tunnels nearly every week. They found them and they destroyed them. Each time, they erased the money and effort spent to build that tunnel. That's money and effort (time) that adds up. I never heard anyone say, "Aw crap, they're digging tunnels, we might as well tear down the wall, because it's useless."

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