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Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

Floyd Brown wrote:

I have the utmost trust in people doing the right thing.

Why can I say this. Because people are for the most part good.

The thing is that bad things undo some much of the good.

It is in being trust worthy & trusting that needs to be a bigger part of who we are & what we do.

It starts with each of us being more trust worthy to others

As more people trust you, you will find that you can trust others more

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Sadgrrrl

MrEd wrote:

The Bible can be used to prove almost any point no matter what it is. It simply depends on the verse you use and the interpretation.

Not to those of us who read it from cover to cover. Manipulators pick out verses ( out of context ) to prove a lie. Those who know... Cant be fooled. Too bad most of us listen to men instead of read and pray.

skott Loc: Bama

Sadgrrrl wrote:

Not to those of us who read it from cover to cover. Manipulators pick out verses ( out of context ) to prove a lie. Those who know... Cant be fooled. Too bad most of us listen to men instead of read and pray.

Essentially what I said. Glad we agree.

BearK Loc: TN

MrEd wrote:

The Bible can be used to prove almost any point no matter what it is. It simply depends on the verse you use and the interpretation.

Yes, particularly when a single verse is taken out of context. Sorry, I'm repeating what was said just a little farther down.

Bible people, who have read it cover to cover, realize the importance of the entire chapter when discussing any one verse.

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

There is a lot of good information in the bible and when a verse is taken out of context then the scriptures have been manipulated. It is not good and people need to be aware that they are being tricked.

BearK wrote:

Yes, particularly when a single verse is taken out of context. Sorry, I'm repeating what was said just a little farther down.

Bible people, who have read it cover to cover, realize the importance of the entire chapter when discussing any one verse.

BearK Loc: TN

skott wrote:

I'm Catholic, but I grew up southern Baptist. The ... (show quote)

And Harry Reid, in the Senate, has not held up any legislation? Just asking.

Ve'hoe

The second symptomatic indication of one-dimensionality is denial of their own brand of hatred, being any different from those THEY accuse of hatred. NOthing worse than "hating h**ers" who think they are morally superior, yet h**e is their nom-de-guerre.

rumitoid wrote:

It makes a person appear one-dimensionally shallow or dense and a waste of flesh when they commit to ant ideology. H**e is the only emotional depth some know. Always an insult and a derogatory name for the opposition: a sure sign of emotional and mental immaturity.

skott Loc: Bama

BearK wrote:

And Harry Reid, in the Senate, has not held up any legislation? Just asking.

Yes he does.

bdamage Loc: My Bunker

rumitoid wrote:

It makes a person appear one-dimensionally shallow or dense and a waste of flesh when they commit to ant ideology. H**e is the only emotional depth some know. Always an insult and a derogatory name for the opposition: a sure sign of emotional and mental immaturity.

Did you start this thread with ginnyt in the back of your mind rumi?

alabuck Loc: Tennessee

MrEd wrote:

You are partly right, but I would not call this a game. Not unless you consider the stakes can very easily be your life. I don't think we have all sold our soles, but I will admit that some have. They have sold their soles for a few dollars handed out by the government, but then that was Johnson's intention all along. He bragged about owning the b****s and making them v**e Democratic for the next 200 years.

This President has polarized this nation like no other President has and is out to wreck this nation one way or another. I don't care that he is black, but I do care that he h**es my country and is doing his best to bring it down. Bush was not much better and I feel the same way about him too. I don't like progressives no matter their color and that goes for Congress and the Supreme Court as well.

Obama is dividing this nation for a very good reason and he is very good at it. While it is not all his doing, he is simply to stupid to think up all of this, they are using him to make this into a world run by the rich and powerful. They write his speeches and hold meetings every day to give him his marching orders for that day. While he h**es this country, he is to stupid to do this all on his own. Just look at how he speaks when he is off his teleprompter. He is nothing but a bumbling fool then.

He has union people that have better access to this office then heads of state. He has his girl Friday that is constantly at his side and he is held on a very short leash.

People have very strong feelings and they love their country, but not all of them are in agreement as to what this country should look like. For the last 100 years, this country has been divided and has never really come together, but most of the time we live together without attacking each other. That has changed simply because Obama has divided us to such an extent that we can never come together on this. Some are actively trying to bring this nation down, some are helping simply because they are blind and don't know any better and some know exactly what they are doing and want to change this nation.

Actually, everyone wants to change it. Some want to go back to the Constitution and some want to get rid of it. Some think it is a living document and that it needs to be changed as we go along. What they do not understand is this. The Constitution is a contract between the people of this nation and the government they created. Like all contracts, it is not changeable unless everyone agrees to the change. Some think it is a useless outdated document and can be ignored. Obama falls into that category along with the rest of the progressives. That's why all three branches are acting the way they do.

Well, I don't agree. I think it is as pertinent today as the day it was written, or even more so. It is what controls this government and without it, this government is out of control. We had the most freedom of any country in the entire world and until they trashed our Constitution, we were the strongest nation on earth. That does not give us the right to tell any other nation how to run their lives, unless they are actively trying to bring us down. I don't believe we have the right to go into any nation and do anything other then make treaties with them for wh**ever reason. This is also what our Constitution says. We are not the worlds policemen and we do not have the right to interfere in their affairs unless they ask for our help and Congress authorizes it.

Until we find our morals again and start living our lives right, we will never come together. We are divided and will remain so unless we stop acting like the worlds policemen and start acting like the worlds friends. While I believe this is a Christian nation, you do not have to be a Christian to have morals and that is what is missing these days...............

You are partly right, but I would not call this a ... (show quote)

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Mr Ed.
Perhaps your missing Wilber and your nostalgia is messing with you.

Your propensity to blame Obama for the country's ills only speaks to your willing participation in dividing this country even further. It's been the right-wingers who have polarized the country. I've been an observer of the political process since the '60's, and my observations lead me to conclude that our divisions started with the Vietnam War and the Civil Rights movement. At those times, the Republicans were more "dovish" toward the war and very "so-so" toward civil rights.

While Johnson escalated the war, Nixon wound it down. While Johnson promoted his Great Society and championed civil rights, the Repubs became more "states-rights" in their positions.

Saint Ronnie came into power and the Repubs initiated his "trickle-down" theory into the economy. Unfortunately for most, the trickle-down was really a gusher-up. Those who already had money suddenly got even more money. There was some grumbling from the Dems, but it was brushed aside as irrelevant.

Then, when Clinton was elected, a political medium came into its own, talk radio. It's leading spokesman was Rush Limbaugh. He became the darling of the Christian Right and other conservative right-wingers. He brought political discourse to a new level. His insulting and less than factual diatribes brought accolades from his "ditto-head" followers. Later, more right-wing "talking heads" arrived on the scene, even to begin their own TV network, Fox. To offer a counter-balance, the left also began a TV and radio broadcasting.

After the Lewinsky scandal hit, Limbaugh intensified the charge to the masses against Clinton. Repubs in Congress called for his impeachment and took to the airways like never before, denouncing him and his family values; all the while, committing the very same crimes, themselves, that they were charging Clinton with. Can you say, "hypocrite?"

Then, came King George ll. He and his groupies took party warfare to heights not seen since the early 1860's. His 2 undeclared wars, his unabashed preference toward the top 2% in wealth, his total disregard for the Constitution via his Patriot Act, his arrogance in dealing with our allies, and his total ignorance in dealing with our domestic economic issues, led us directly into the mess we're still trying to slow down the effects of.

To say Obama inherited a mess is an under-statement. Then, you come along and say all of this is Obama's fault? Sir, your kookie-aid glass was filled to over-flowing, wasn't it. That you swallowed so much kookie-aid is the only viable conclusion as to why you blame Obama.

There is a BIG divide within our country. But, to blame Obama? All you need do is read the history to see that you're wrong on that point. Your Repubs made a conscious effort to "make Obama a 1-term president." Forget about governing the country. Forget about doing the jobs they were elected to do. Forget that national interests should trump partisan politics. Oh, no! They decided that obstructionism and gridlock was what they must do; that it was far more important than governing the country.

And, in spite of Obama's re-e******n, the partisan gridlock and obstructionism continues. The reich-wing talking heads continue to promote lies and innuendo as t***h. They continue to blast the president's efforts on every front, yet still produce nothing viable to take the place of what they disagree with.

So, if you want to know why our country is as divided as it is, just keep listening to what the reich-wing talking heads have to say. Then ask yourself, how much better we could be if we decided that the goal of politics should be designed for the betterment of the country, not to continually demean, denigrate and demonize half of it.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

rumitoid wrote:

It makes a person appear one-dimensionally shallow or dense and a waste of flesh when they commit to ant ideology. H**e is the only emotional depth some know. Always an insult and a derogatory name for the opposition: a sure sign of emotional and mental immaturity.

This is not the first time I have quoted this from a forgotten source: "The complexity and reality of life will always explode rigid ideology."

Also, a quote from Mark Twain: "Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul."

Once again, both quotes seem pertinent.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Floyd Brown wrote:

We are living in trying times.

There are just to many things not going smoothly.

But a person should get a true picture of who is causing what is going on b fore lashing out at another that may be in the same boat as that person is..

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vernon

BearK wrote:

And Harry Reid, in the Senate, has not held up any legislation? Just asking.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

slatten49 wrote:

This is not the first time I have quoted this from a forgotten source: "The complexity and reality of life will always explode rigid ideology."

Also, a quote from Mark Twain: "Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul."

Once again, both quotes seem pertinent.

They certainly are and need to be repeated - loudly and often.

rumitoid

BearK wrote:

Your post is bring them out of the woodwork. For some reason the immature and small minded can't stand it if you can skim through their shallow verbiage.

Very true!