fom,
You really don't see the changes in the United States over the last few years; the rapid (deliberate) trend toward a strong Federal (central) government with a strong push for a dominate executive branch ? These are prerequisites to a "t***sformation" of the United States to a form of socialism and "social justice" instead of "equal justice".
Consider the "pen and Phone" statements by President Obama, and his "authority" to enforce (or not enforce) laws based on his executive power..(Consider the recent release of i*****l i*******ts from jail..thousands, with many serious criminals included all by executive "discretion".)
The far reaching federal power of the Affordable Care Act and its mandates being shuffled simply by executive fiat...
The constitution (which guarantees us our person freedoms) is being "trashed" and You aren't paying attention...

1oldgeezer

floyd,
Your questions seem to be about rights of "takers" and "those taken from" with a little "what is fair" thrown in.

What about "Voluntary Givers", are they part of your scenario?

Why not let the people who work and earn the money decide who (what charity) receives the money and those who need it? Isn't that fair to the givers? There is a tremendous amount of charitable work being done by private persons/organizations; there would be much more if the taxes weren't so high to support all the fed freebies...

The federal government may have a place in programs such as social security and medicare which are specific programs funded by the users specific contributions (payroll taxes), (now if we could just get the government to administer these programs properly) ......but the feds need to get out of the business of "redistribution" to buy power and v**es.

What is right about the federal government taking what you have worked for and simply passing it out to make dependents of some citizens (buy Democrat v**es generally with no real assessment of need). That is good for the country?
You don't think that it is fair that those who work harder should get more than those who simply want to go surfing?

1oldgeezer

You are partly right, but I would not call this a game. Not unless you consider the stakes can very easily be your life. I don't think we have all sold our soles, but I will admit that some have. They have sold their soles for a few dollars handed out by the government, but then that was Johnson's intention all along. He bragged about owning the b****s and making them v**e Democratic for the next 200 years.

This President has polarized this nation like no other President has and is out to wreck this nation one way or another. I don't care that he is black, but I do care that he h**es my country and is doing his best to bring it down. Bush was not much better and I feel the same way about him too. I don't like progressives no matter their color and that goes for Congress and the Supreme Court as well.

Obama is dividing this nation for a very good reason and he is very good at it. While it is not all his doing, he is simply to stupid to think up all of this, they are using him to make this into a world run by the rich and powerful. They write his speeches and hold meetings every day to give him his marching orders for that day. While he h**es this country, he is to stupid to do this all on his own. Just look at how he speaks when he is off his teleprompter. He is nothing but a bumbling fool then.

He has union people that have better access to this office then heads of state. He has his girl Friday that is constantly at his side and he is held on a very short leash.

People have very strong feelings and they love their country, but not all of them are in agreement as to what this country should look like. For the last 100 years, this country has been divided and has never really come together, but most of the time we live together without attacking each other. That has changed simply because Obama has divided us to such an extent that we can never come together on this. Some are actively trying to bring this nation down, some are helping simply because they are blind and don't know any better and some know exactly what they are doing and want to change this nation.

Actually, everyone wants to change it. Some want to go back to the Constitution and some want to get rid of it. Some think it is a living document and that it needs to be changed as we go along. What they do not understand is this. The Constitution is a contract between the people of this nation and the government they created. Like all contracts, it is not changeable unless everyone agrees to the change. Some think it is a useless outdated document and can be ignored. Obama falls into that category along with the rest of the progressives. That's why all three branches are acting the way they do.

Well, I don't agree. I think it is as pertinent today as the day it was written, or even more so. It is what controls this government and without it, this government is out of control. We had the most freedom of any country in the entire world and until they trashed our Constitution, we were the strongest nation on earth. That does not give us the right to tell any other nation how to run their lives, unless they are actively trying to bring us down. I don't believe we have the right to go into any nation and do anything other then make treaties with them for wh**ever reason. This is also what our Constitution says. We are not the worlds policemen and we do not have the right to interfere in their affairs unless they ask for our help and Congress authorizes it.

Until we find our morals again and start living our lives right, we will never come together. We are divided and will remain so unless we stop acting like the worlds policemen and start acting like the worlds friends. While I believe this is a Christian nation, you do not have to be a Christian to have morals and that is what is missing these days...............

floyd,
Your questions seem to be about rights of "takers" and "those taken from" with a little "what is fair" thrown in.

What about "Voluntary Givers", are they part of your scenario?

Why not let the people who work and earn the money decide who (what charity) receives the money and those who need it? Isn't that fair to the givers? There is a tremendous amount of charitable work being done by private persons/organizations; there would be much more if the taxes weren't so high to support all the fed freebies...

The federal government may have a place in programs such as social security and medicare which are specific programs funded by the users specific contributions (payroll taxes), (now if we could just get the government to administer these programs properly) ......but the feds need to get out of the business of "redistribution" to buy power and v**es.

What is right about the federal government taking what you have worked for and simply passing it out to make dependents of some citizens (buy Democrat v**es generally with no real assessment of need). That is good for the country?
You don't think that it is fair that those who work harder should get more than those who simply want to go surfing?

1oldgeezer

I wish we had a strong enough federal gov. to check some of the crazies in state gov. The gun nuts are out of control, the attempts to suppress v****g by minorities, the stand your ground crap, that allows you to shoot first then say you were afraid, the gerrymandered congress seats that allow the same people to keep getting elected.Obama has deported more i******s than anyone, most are criminals, people love having health care, and since the do nothing congress is only interested in having the same hearings over and over, the president has to use executive fiat where ever he can, he waited 5 years before finally realizing that the republicans meant it when they said they would not work with him.