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Jan 10, 2019 22:01:10   #
proud republican (a regular here)
 
bobebgtime wrote:
No, I kind of doubt that anything will materialize from the left wings latest stunt.Let’s see, how many times past two years have the left said “that’s it, we got him now”? But in reality you got nothing. This is a rip-off, a frantic attempt by Democrats to get back control .


He lied before to Congress....And all of a sudden he is their darling???

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Jan 11, 2019 00:42:21   #
Coos Bay Tom (a regular here)
 
proud republican wrote:
Tom,you didnt answer my question....Why do you think these illegal migrants deserve to go ahead of people who are waiting their turn to come here???? What makes them better then my family who waited for years to come here,paid money,filled out application????...I'm too for legal immigration, like i said im an immigrant too....And please dont tell me they running away from prosecution....We were prosecuted too because of our religion......You can come here, but you HAVE to play by the rules,Tom...Its only fair!!1
Tom,you didnt answer my question....Why do you thi... (show quote)
Make the rules fair. My religion demands that I be merciful or I have no right to expect mercy.

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Jan 11, 2019 10:37:11   #
eagleye13 (a regular here)
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Every Democrat, Liberal, or those who are not in favor of security need to take the following steps immediately.

1. Move into close proximity to the Mexican border. Even if you can not move right now, the remaining list still applies to you.

2. Remove all locks from your doors and if weather permits, leave your doors and windows wide open.

3. Reset your garage door openers to a mutual frequency so one opener will open every garage in your area.

4. Stop locking your car doors.

5. Remove all locks and barriers from your stores... no guards or greeters.... and cash register optional, just in case someone is willing to pay... (one can dream).

6. Establish bus route (free of charge) that is mapped to your neighborhood.

7. Buy a cemetery in your new neighborhood and staff it. Also, contact the local police and fire department, let them know of your "free" status and assure them that they will never need to respond to emergencies at your home or place of business... and you will never sue.

8. Establish your own car insurance company, I am tired of paying for uninsured motorist. Also, establish your own medical services... welfare... Just establish your own little nation.

Any additions to this list? Add them!
Every Democrat, Liberal, or those who are not in f... (show quote)


Who here thinks any Democrats here will put their locks where their mouths are?

"very Democrat, Liberal, or those who are not in favor of security need to take the following steps immediately.

1. Move into close proximity to the Mexican border. Even if you can not move right now, the remaining list still applies to you.

2. Remove all locks from your doors and if weather permits, leave your doors and windows wide open.

3. Reset your garage door openers to a mutual frequency so one opener will open every garage in your area.

4. Stop locking your car doors.

5. Remove all locks and barriers from your stores... no guards or greeters.... and cash register optional, just in case someone is willing to pay... (one can dream).

6. Establish bus route (free of charge) that is mapped to your neighborhood.

7. Buy a cemetery in your new neighborhood and staff it. Also, contact the local police and fire department, let them know of your "free" status and assure them that they will never need to respond to emergencies at your home or place of business... and you will never sue.

8. Establish your own car insurance company, I am tired of paying for uninsured motorist. Also, establish your own medical services... welfare... Just establish your own little nation.

Any additions to this list? Add them!

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Jan 11, 2019 10:46:15   #
eagleye13 (a regular here)
 
PeterS wrote:
And what if you are in favor of security but think a 2,000-mile long wall is nothing but paranoid conservative overkill?


Illegal immigrant kills woman in front of her children, later kidnaps and sexually assaults 12yo girl

https://www.speroforum.com/site/e.asp?l=INJYPJHDGX37&u=KXWMHLZFDV30

An illegal immigrant living in Houston was arrested by police and charged with murdering Maria Gonzales last August after stabbing her 12 to 14 times in front of her children.

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Jan 11, 2019 10:52:59   #
byronglimish (a regular here)
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Illegal immigrant kills woman in front of her children, later kidnaps and sexually assaults 12yo girl

https://www.speroforum.com/site/e.asp?l=INJYPJHDGX37&u=KXWMHLZFDV30

An illegal immigrant living in Houston was arrested by police and charged with murdering Maria Gonzales last August after stabbing her 12 to 14 times in front of her children.




And Jim Acosta just got thru boasting of no apparent problems with illegal aliens in Texas.

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Jan 11, 2019 11:30:55   #
eagleye13 (a regular here)
 
byronglimish wrote:
And Jim Acosta just got thru boasting of no apparent problems with illegal aliens in Texas.


Who saw Acosta standing next to a steel "WALL", and claiming; "See there is no problem"
Quit funny and sad at the same time.
It was quite peaceful.
All we need is more WALL and more surveillance.

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Jan 11, 2019 11:32:36   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Illegal immigrant kills woman in front of her children, later kidnaps and sexually assaults 12yo girl

https://www.speroforum.com/site/e.asp?l=INJYPJHDGX37&u=KXWMHLZFDV30

An illegal immigrant living in Houston was arrested by police and charged with murdering Maria Gonzales last August after stabbing her 12 to 14 times in front of her children.


God bless this poor woman and grant her peace... And may He watch over her children and grant them His strength in the days to come... Amen

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Jan 11, 2019 12:45:20   #
old marine
 
JoyV wrote:
Again and again he brought up racism as a reason to excuse violence. He used the racist narrative to encourage some Americans to target other Americans. He even excused the police massacre in TX as due to the police being racist! He did so during his speech at the police memorial service!!!! He then refused to light up the white house in blue to honor the fallen heroes yet honored the "hero" who came out of the closet as being an act of courage with lighting up the white house in rainbow colors. When Antifa went on a smash and burn rampage, he said it heartened him.

And he was not only divisive on race regarding blacks. Some divisive things he said according to Marco Rubio include,
1. Call all opponents of same-sex marriage bigots
2. Call the Pro-Life movement a "War on Women"
3. Call all immigration enforcement advocates racists
4. Call the GOP the enemy of Hispanics

He explained what he thought about average middle class Americans when he said, " “And it’s not surprising then they [middle class Americans] get bitter,they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”"

* Again and again he equated being against his policies with being racist.
* In a radio interview with Univision in Oct. 2010, Obama urged Latino voters to “punish [their] enemies” and “reward [their] friends who stand with [them].”
* Obama proclaimed after the shooting of Trayvon Martin, “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.”
* He used a White House Easter prayer to deride Christians.
* In his memoir Dreams from My Father, Obama details how he broke up with his “New York girlfriend,” who was white, over race-related issues. Only she never existed.
* He called his own grandmother a "typical white person" who would cross the street if she saw a black person.
* Obama frequently invited leaders of the often violent and militant Black Lives Matter movement to the White House. Despicably, after five Dallas police officers were murdered at a BLM demonstration in July 2016, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said, “I would not describe the White House as concerned about these protests. They’re exercising their freedom of speech, they’re exercising their freedom of assembly. That’s a good thing. That’s a good start.”
* After Tashfeen Malik and Syed Farook, who both had ties to ISIS, killed 14 people at an office Christmas party in San Bernardino, Calif., Obama urged the public not to jump to the conclusion that it was terrorism just because the perpetrators were Muslim. Not like he would immediately jump to the conclusion that ANY black killed by a cop was a victim of racism.
* He invited the well known race baiter, Al Sharpton , to the White House at least 100 times!

He was definitely a divider!!!!
Again and again he brought up racism as a reason t... (show quote)


True, all true.

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Jan 11, 2019 13:15:23   #
Gary Coop 44
 
Amen and Amen very good

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Jan 11, 2019 18:01:51   #
oldroy
 
Pennylynn wrote:


I found your link to be so interesting that I listened to Dinesh D'Souza talking to ignorant progressive students for some time. Finally, I ended up listening to him discussing his being sent to jail for a "crime" that nobody from the US had ever been jailed for before. I can listen to D'Souza for hours on end and love to listen to him since he is so very good at argument. In this link he is talking with Anderson Cooper about his jailing and pardon by Trump. The CNN title of that show happened to be "Pardoned Conservative Firebrand Speaks Out". I loved that in that it looks so much like what CNN would call it. D'Souza tore Cooper a new one but Cooper didn't seem to understand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lKYOo4dhI0

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Jan 11, 2019 18:59:13   #
eagleye13 (a regular here)
 
oldroy wrote:
I found your link to be so interesting that I listened to Dinesh D'Souza talking to ignorant progressive students for some time. Finally, I ended up listening to him discussing his being sent to jail for a "crime" that nobody from the US had ever been jailed for before. I can listen to D'Souza for hours on end and love to listen to him since he is so very good at argument. In this link he is talking with Anderson Cooper about his jailing and pardon by Trump. The CNN title of that show happened to be "Pardoned Conservative Firebrand Speaks Out". I loved that in that it looks so much like what CNN would call it. D'Souza tore Cooper a new one but Cooper didn't seem to understand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lKYOo4dhI0
I found your link to be so interesting that I list... (show quote)


"I loved that in that it looks so much like what CNN would call it. D'Souza tore Cooper a new one but Cooper didn't seem to understand."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lKYOo4dhI0



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Jan 11, 2019 21:44:13   #
working class stiff (a regular here)
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Every Democrat, Liberal, or those who are not in favor of security need to take the following steps immediately.

1. Move into close proximity to the Mexican border. Even if you can not move right now, the remaining list still applies to you.

2. Remove all locks from your doors and if weather permits, leave your doors and windows wide open.

3. Reset your garage door openers to a mutual frequency so one opener will open every garage in your area.

4. Stop locking your car doors.

5. Remove all locks and barriers from your stores... no guards or greeters.... and cash register optional, just in case someone is willing to pay... (one can dream).

6. Establish bus route (free of charge) that is mapped to your neighborhood.

7. Buy a cemetery in your new neighborhood and staff it. Also, contact the local police and fire department, let them know of your "free" status and assure them that they will never need to respond to emergencies at your home or place of business... and you will never sue.

8. Establish your own car insurance company, I am tired of paying for uninsured motorist. Also, establish your own medical services... welfare... Just establish your own little nation.

Any additions to this list? Add them!
Every Democrat, Liberal, or those who are not in f... (show quote)


Umm....if I did any of those things I would fear my fellow citizens just as much as illegal migrants. I don't see the point here. Crime and mayhem are as rampant among the citizens as any immigrants.

I would be foolish to do those things, even here in beautiful NC.

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Jan 11, 2019 23:07:49   #
JoyV (a regular here)
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Ok here is the deal. I am for legal immigration -guest worker programs are needed and the dreamers need to be given the chance to be citizens. What we have now is a push to stop not only illegal immigration but actually get rid of as many legal immigrants as possible.. That wall is just a bandaid and not a solution. Fear and Hate are driving people to want this wall and I am not wrong in saying that. Just stepping outside the box a little here------ A wall needs maintenece. --paint repairs etc. Fences get challenged by those wishing to get through and repairs need to be made quickly.-- Who is going to pay for this and how will it be acccomplished? We can build a wall and it will fall apart and be destroyed in places. We will still have illegal aliens and plenty of people to hate them. We can do better than just build a wall. Are we America or are we isolationist and cruel?
Ok here is the deal. I am for legal immigration -... (show quote)


While the left has conniptions over $5 billion, the Pentagon just reported an expired unobligated balance of $27.7 billion. I wonder if since that money has already been authorized by congress to a department in the executive branch; could it be used for increased border security including a wall? It is already accounted for but was never spent by the DOD.

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Jan 11, 2019 23:45:16   #
Coos Bay Tom (a regular here)
 
JoyV wrote:
While the left has conniptions over $5 billion, the Pentagon just reported an expired unobligated balance of $27.7 billion. I wonder if since that money has already been authorized by congress to a department in the executive branch; could it be used for increased border security including a wall? It is already accounted for but was never spent by the DOD.


A point to ponder

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Jan 12, 2019 07:24:41   #
old marine
 
RickyDCUSMC wrote:
Physical barriers DO WORK! The Berlin wall worked for almost 30 years until it was torn down. The great wall of China worked for centuries and if manned again today would work now. Those are just two examples. Drones help, but look at this facts: you have a drone patrolling and it spots 10 illegals 20 miles from a point of entry, border patrol is notified and dispatched. The illegals split into smaller groups (like they do now), one drone cannot track them all and it takes border patrol 30 minutes to get to the targeted position. How many illegals are then apprehended? NONE! I have watched this very situation play out on NETGEO TV.

If there was a wall (physical barrier) 100% have to stop at the barrier for some length of time. For the idiots that claim a ladder will work, REALLY. A 25 foot wall and a 28foot ladder gets you to the top of the wall, what then? Fall 25 feet over the other side? You sure as hell can't balance on the wall and hoist the ladder over and set it up on the other side! Physics makes that impossible. Of course you are going to carry a 28 foot ladder through the desert for how many miles? Wait I know when you get to the top of the wall tie a rope to the top that you also toted for 100 miles and then repel down?! Wait if the barrier is constructed correctly there won't be a place to tie a rope too. Oh wait, that's right the Democrats don't want a concrete barrier, only metal slats! No Berlin or great wall of china type construction. Restrict the design to insure it fails so they can say "See I told you so".

Drones, infrared sensors, impact sensors are all helpful and would sense the action I just described, but these pieces cannot arrest ANYONE. Unless you have a border patrol agent stationed every 300 yards 24/7 a physical barrier is the only answer. I am not saying by any stretch that a wall will stop them all, but I can live with a 90% decrease in illegal crossings, cocaine, fentanyl, heroin coming through our southern border. I am confident if we get that far the perpetrators of these and other crimes will abandon this avenue and try something else.
Physical barriers DO WORK! The Berlin wall worked ... (show quote)


A well thought out post. Apparently by an
ex-marine

Semper Fi brother.

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