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Jan 10, 2019 17:47:18   #
byronglimish (a regular here)
 
teabag09 wrote:
Yeah, we could put a sentry every half mile with a .50 cal semi-auto and pop anyone trying to enter illegally. A barrier would be much more humane and consist of more than a simple fence. It would include more manpower, sensors, drones, etc. Additionally the materials and manpower used would be American which helps the economy. The intention is to funnel people to check points so they can be processed legally.

I'm glad that you and Kyle live where you don't have the crime situations from people here illegally that are a constant problem for others. How magnanimous of you. Mike
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Here in Oregon we do have an illegal alien problem. I know a fella who transports the dangerous felons to prison or to be deported. Some of these progressive illegal aliens transport a major portion of drugs into the northwest via the I 5 corridor. Some of these cherished by the left illegals try to seduce under aged girls with cocaine and sexually assault these ignorant little girls. We have many problems with illegal aliens. A lot goes unreported.

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Jan 10, 2019 18:04:37   #
Nickolai
 
proud republican wrote:
No Congressional police anymore.......No home security......No Bank Security..Lets see how long Rats will survive in this environment!!!!






Michael Cohen is going to testify before Congress on Fed 7th on TV and Cohen's close friend Donny Deutsch says its checkmate for Trump !!!!

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Jan 10, 2019 18:41:18   #
Sonny Magoo
 
Texans love fence. That's obvious. They're everywhere. Why? To protect their investments. and they work.
So, whats the problem with another fence? TRUMP. ..and that's the hateful truth.

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Jan 10, 2019 19:11:00   #
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Jan 10, 2019 19:26:23   #
maryjane
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Here's yours and Trumps mistake..........equating a wall/barrier with border security. Why do you think we have Customs and BORDER Patrol? Yes, BOTH borders need to be tightened up, but our own history with physical barriers has proven they don't work, and there are far more effective methods available - namely - increasing the number of humans monitoring both borders.

A wall will not keep out asylum seekers, who can come by sea if they can't find a way over, under or around a physical barrier. BTW, I haven't heard of a single Democrat espousing an open border policy, that's a false narrative generated by Trump and others. Every funding bill proposed had border security funding in it, several with broad bipartisan support.

Answer this; if the situation is so dire at the southern border.........................why not deal with it NOW, instead of waiting 3 years ( or more ) for a wall?
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How can you possibly use our history of a few flimsy fences that even 8 month pregnant women can easily step over as evidence that proper obstructions/barriers don't work? Of course, when you put up a barrier never intended to repel anyone, you should not be surprised if it repels no one, but may that was the intention NOT in the first place. And, it is going to take the same amount of time (and money) no matter when the building begins. Also, it is foolish to say that democrats do NOT support open borders. The fact that we have over 20+million illegal aliens, with thousands more arriving daily, already in our country is evidence that they have ALWAYS refused to take REAL actions to prevent this invasion. Oh, there have been a couple of times that a couple of dems have used supporting words, but, when looking at actions, those words are just lies to further fool the people.

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Jan 10, 2019 19:37:11   #
old marine
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I enjoyed this comment...Many of your posts are rather agreeable (though sometimes overly hyperbolic)

Agreed... There are those who are promoting the need for a wall via fear tactics...
But there are also those who are using logical reasoning in their promotion of the wall...
I (personally) believe suspicion is warranted towards those who have already proven unlawful in their method of entering the country...

Divider is a very difficult term for me to define...
I didn't care for some of the statements made by POTUS 44 and it had nothing to do with his being half-black...
I pray that your (and all other) children are safe and healthy and happy...

Your brother from the north, Kyle
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I don't see the need for building the wall/fence bring built mainly from fear. I look st it more as a spending savings.

5.billion as a one time expence to construct the wall/fence to save 150 billion each year spent to support illegal aliens and their dependents plus 100s of prevent crimes by the criminal illegal immigrants and a large reduction of illegal drugs flowing into our country.

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Jan 10, 2019 19:44:19   #
old marine
 
proud republican wrote:
No connection,Kyle..Just wondering why Liberals/Democrats worry more about illegals' state of well being rather then about American citizens' state of well being...Just dont get it...



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Jan 10, 2019 19:51:23   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
teabag09 wrote:
Yeah, we could put a sentry every half mile with a .50 cal semi-auto and pop anyone trying to enter illegally. A barrier would be much more humane and consist of more than a simple fence. It would include more manpower, sensors, drones, etc. Additionally the materials and manpower used would be American which helps the economy. The intention is to funnel people to check points so they can be processed legally.

I'm glad that you and Kyle live where you don't have the crime situations from people here illegally that are a constant problem for others. How magnanimous of you. Mike
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Sir?

I am for the wall...
Alway have been...
And I don't believe that I have stated otherwise...
Where I live there is almost zero crime from illegal immigrants... The border is manned by armed military and any caught crossing are either immediately returned to their country of origin or incarcerated... But I can almost assure you that you would not wish this sort of border security applied in the US... The wall would be far more humane...

Perhaps you would be so kind as to clarify your statement (and why it included me)...

I'll allow my friend Coosbaytom to respond on his own... He does a decent job of it...

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Jan 10, 2019 19:53:06   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
old marine wrote:
I don't see the need for building the wall/fence bring built mainly from fear. I look st it more as a spending savings.

5.billion as a one time expence to construct the wall/fence to save 150 billion each year spent to support illegal aliens and their dependents plus 100s of prevent crimes by the criminal illegal immigrants and a large reduction of illegal drugs flowing into our country.


Agreed...

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Jan 10, 2019 20:02:27   #
old marine
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Then you must be Native American. My great (6 or so generations ago) bought our farm from Native Americans although the King had given him a grant... he thought that it was wrong just to move in and take the property belonging to others. So, he paid for the land and we lived side by side until the Native Americans were pushed out of the area.
Poppa's family was among the first to settle in our village and according to record, never listed any slave ownership or any unnatural or untimely deaths on the property, even during the yankee invasion or War of Aggression. As for as sitting... not much time for that. I still run a homeless shelter and an animal rescue. Both keep me busy. But, when I find the time... I will sip on ice cold spring water.
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That is basically my whole story also. In 1802 the local Indians didn't believe in land ownership.

My forefathers used their wsr certificates to a secure government title to the land bought from the French by the Louisisna perchance. It has never had a loan lien filed against yhe property

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Jan 10, 2019 20:05:33   #
old marine
 
Pennylynn wrote:
So... you think I was whining... your right to your view. But, I was being serious... So... what is your solution to the illegal trespassers coming into the USA? And how would you manage those who are in favor of open borders or those who oppose?
This was an exercise in critical thinking.... perhaps you were unprepared... so now that you know... how about developing an argument to support your position.


You will have to wait a while Pennylynn while he gets an answer from his Dim-O-Crats controlers.

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Jan 10, 2019 20:15:35   #
old marine
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Ok here is the deal. I am for legal immigration -guest worker programs are needed and the dreamers need to be given the chance to be citizens. What we have now is a push to stop not only illegal immigration but actually get rid of as many legal immigrants as possible.. That wall is just a bandaid and not a solution. Fear and Hate are driving people to want this wall and I am not wrong in saying that. Just stepping outside the box a little here------ A wall needs maintenece. --paint repairs etc. Fences get challenged by those wishing to get through and repairs need to be made quickly.-- Who is going to pay for this and how will it be acccomplished? We can build a wall and it will fall apart and be destroyed in places. We will still have illegal aliens and plenty of people to hate them. We can do better than just build a wall. Are we America or are we isolationist and cruel?
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The billions of dollars ssved from supporting the the illegal criminals will pay for increased Border personel and the upkeep of repairs to the wall/fence for many yesrs to come.

We sre Americans protecting our country from criminal illegsls and the drug cartel.

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Jan 10, 2019 20:20:32   #
old marine
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Sorry, but I disagree yet again. No one, to include the President is working toward getting
"rid of legal immigrants." If you listen carefully, with open heart and mind, you will hear the President offering compromises for DARCA, a generous guest worker program, and legal immigration. It is the illegal trespassers that we take issue with... and a wall would force those seeking entry into the US through customs and border control entry points. Why would you have a problem with them having to enter the US through entry points?

Yes... walls require maintenance... which means jobs. Are you against putting people to work? Who would pay for this... good question... my response, the same people that pay for the education, medical, housing, food, clothing..... for illegals. The upside of this, if we put people to work... our federal revenues will go up due to taxes... off setting the burden of upkeep. It is more than just numbers.... as people go back to work, their self esteem is elevated, tensions lessen.... and that in its self performs another needed reform... physical violence goes down, along with that drug dependence goes down along with a host of other emotional and physical positive changes. Are you opposed to those changes? So you may see 6 million dollars on a fence or barrier... I see people working, I see schools where the teacher student ration put into a more conducive to learning, I see less drive by shooting or church shootings, I see a refound pride in neighborhoods... I see growth. But, as my family would tell you... I am an eternal optimist. There is a silver lining, even for legal immigrants, workers, and their children.
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Excellent post pennylynn.


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Jan 10, 2019 20:34:39   #
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Jan 10, 2019 21:36:11   #
bobebgtime
 
Nickolai wrote:
Michael Cohen is going to testify before Congress on Fed 7th on TV and Cohen's close friend Donny Deutsch says its checkmate for Trump !!!!




No, I kind of doubt that anything will materialize from the left wings latest stunt.Let’s see, how many times past two years have the left said “that’s it, we got him now”? But in reality you got nothing. This is a rip-off, a frantic attempt by Democrats to get back control .

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