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May 7, 2014 11:39:36   #
Patty
 
mongo wrote:
Personally, I am s**k of all the Political Parties and would like to see one formed by people with common sense and a Constitutionally Conscious mind. They have all been influenced and corrupted by big corporations. Most can't even stand up without a corporations hand shoved up their nethers. (I have a better description but I'm trying to play nice)


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May 7, 2014 13:07:03   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
mongo wrote:
Personally, I am s**k of all the Political Parties and would like to see one formed by people with common sense and a Constitutionally Conscious mind. They have all been influenced and corrupted by big corporations. Most can't even stand up without a corporations hand shoved up their nethers. (I have a better description but I'm trying to play nice)

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Ditto!!!
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May 7, 2014 15:32:16   #
Airforceone
 
mongo wrote:
Personally, I am s**k of all the Political Parties and would like to see one formed by people with common sense and a Constitutionally Conscious mind. They have all been influenced and corrupted by big corporations. Most can't even stand up without a corporations hand shoved up their nethers. (I have a better description but I'm trying to play nice)


I agree but the Ryan court changed this whole country and how our political process plays out. Big money and no accountability super packs and we have know idea where the money is coming from. That is exactly why we are seeing v**er surpression in this country. Now they can manipulate our e******n's. Big money in politics v**er suppression cuts the poor and middle class out of the process

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May 7, 2014 22:48:29   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
tdsrnest wrote:
I agree but the Ryan court changed this whole country and how our political process plays out. Big money and no accountability super packs and we have know idea where the money is coming from. That is exactly why we are seeing v**er surpression in this country. Now they can manipulate our e******n's. Big money in politics v**er suppression cuts the poor and middle class out of the process

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WHAT RYAN COURT are you talking about? I've never ever heard of a Ryan Court.

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May 7, 2014 23:02:39   #
Airforceone
 
Tasine wrote:
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WHAT RYAN COURT are you talking about? I've never ever heard of a Ryan Court.


He is the head of the Supreme Court. Supreme Court justice Ryan

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May 7, 2014 23:16:10   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
tdsrnest wrote:
He is the head of the Supreme Court. Supreme Court justice Ryan

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When did this happen. Last time I heard, the Chief Justice was John Roberts.

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May 7, 2014 23:20:04   #
Airforceone
 
Tasine wrote:
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When did this happen. Last time I heard, the Chief Justice was John Roberts.


Oh fuck I had a brain cramp sorry I was discussing on another blog about Paul Ryan. We had a few people discussing the Ryan budget.

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May 8, 2014 08:54:13   #
mongo Loc: TEXAS
 
tdsrnest wrote:
Oh fuck I had a brain cramp sorry I was discussing on another blog about Paul Ryan. We had a few people discussing the Ryan budget.


That most definatley was not a cramp, it was a brain fart! (he,he) :oops:

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May 8, 2014 18:31:32   #
Airforceone
 
mongo wrote:
That most definatley was not a cramp, it was a brain fart! (he,he) :oops:


Oh ya either one probably had both. But I had the Ryan budget on my brain it took a lot of research to figure it out. And what he was trying to do

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May 19, 2020 09:08:22   #
Airforceone
 
Artemis wrote:
Yes Patty and the only way I see a way out, is for the people to disfranchise themselves from a party and we all are independents. Maybe this will put more weight on each individual v**e.This could at least stop them from manipulating the large groups through their party profile.

Maybe we can than focus on what is the true record of the person running.


Amazing I have been saying that for years. No more Democrat or Republican Party. What happens is 70% of the people in this country v**e along the party line. Which is really sad.

I had v**ed Republican on a national level for many years because the Republican Party had always believed in a balanced budget and eliminate deficit spending.

The Republican Party believed in building the economy from the top down which at first made sense to me but since Ronald Reagan had developed trickle down economics it has only accomplished one thing. The deficit has increased due to lost funds to the federal government and and an increase in the income ine******y in this country. So now the Republican Party became the party of borrow and spend. And the middle class has disappeared.

The democrats believe in building the economy from the bottom up. So put more funds in the hands of the Middle class appears to work a lot better. So the democratic theory of tax and spend instead of borrow and spend seems more in line with my ideology on a national level

If we go from Reagan to Bush 43 to Trump. Trickle down economics by creating wealthy tax cuts.

Or we go from Carter to Clinton to Obama the Democrats far out distance the republicans as far as job creation.

Now where this country becomes divided is all the social programs we have in this country. But I think the large majority believe in the big 3 and should not be touched is Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security and now the ACA. The ACA is a great program but it has problems that need to be fixed.

But each social program should be debated on its merits alone not along a party ideology.

So my perception is the Republicans want an inflated defense budget and wealthy tax cuts. If democrats want to cut the defense budget the republicans go on a year that democrats want to make our country less safe.

Democrats want the social programs which is also very costly. When republicans want to cut social programs Democrats have a fit and accuse.

The biggest problem this country has is not the social programs it’s the waste. I can go through SS, Medicare and Medicaid and there massive amounts of corruption and waste and it’s the same with defense spending only 40% of the defense budget goes to the military the remainder is spent on private contractors.

But when all we have is 2 choices we end up with an ideology either left or right.

I want to thank both of you on your perceptions of left and right. This deserves to be debated.

Also I would be really interested as to your perception of the ideology agenda of both left and right.

But why are we stuck with a two party system. The mess we have in Washington sure is not a party.

Our constitution calls for a form of capitalistic government With social programs, and regulations to protect all citizens.

So I am in complete agreement drop the name tag.

I believe every politician that heads to Washington has honest intentions wether Republican or Democrat but when these new legislators get to Washington there met with either your Republican or Democrat and you either fall along the party lines or you will not have a job.

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May 25, 2020 12:49:40   #
Airforceone
 
Artemis wrote:
I have posted here many times of people not just here on OPP but from all over, for people to put their party aside and find some common ground we can agree on.

As I was watching TV the other day a campaign commercial came on, and what caught my ear was that it was that at the end it stated it was funded by the Emergency Committee of Israel…?
Israel? I said to myself, so I decided to look into it, and some information that I found is below.

One of my larger concerns for our country has been outside influences of people of foreign countries effecting our governing process in our e******ns. Since Citizens United, we have lost all control from preventing this from happening.
One common way we all know of is of course within our legal and greased lobbying system, another way is by not only funding the campaigns but through also hand picking the representatives that best suits their self-interests. Winning e******ns with their selected people in place continues to promote their agenda and recycles our already c*********d and corrupt governing process even further. It doesn’t make a difference which side is doing it, and I’m sure they all are.
My question is, what can be done about it?

The Emergency Committee for Israel (ECI) is a neoconservative pressure group launched in July 2010 to promote militarist, "pro-Israel" U.S. policies. A frequent ECI tactic is to publish advertisements that attack politicians who question one-sided U.S - See more at: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/emergency_committee_for_israel#sthash.A4HH9N9w.dpuf

ECI has also operated a political action committee (ECIPAC) to lobby on behalf of its preferred policies. An early financial backer of ECIPAC was Daniel Loeb, and has leveraged his fortune to benefit various political causes. Although he is a registered Democrat, he helped to raise millions of dollars for the 2012 p**********l campaign of Republican Mitt Romney. He is also a key financial supporter of the Emergency Committee for Israel, a controversial neoconservative pressure group that has attacked the Obama administration's Mideast policies and led advocacy efforts aimed at pushing the United States to bomb Iran.
Loeb was apparently motivated to support Romney in the 2012 campaign because of his anger at the Obama administration's efforts to regulate the financial industry. These efforts led Loeb to complain that Obama was interested in "redistribution rather than growth."[3] . According to FEC filings, in 2010, Loeb was the ECIPAC's largest donor, giving $100,000. –

See more at: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/loeb_daniel#sthash.IN9dUK8N.dpuf
I have posted here many times of people not just h... (show quote)


Thank you for the time you put into writing on this topic. But over the last two years the democratic House of Representatives has passed a number of bills to stop foreign interference in our e******ns and modifying the campaign donations to protect Foreign money into our campaigns

But the Republican lead senate through Mitch McConnell had blocked every piece of legislation that would prevent foreign interference, Foreign money, v**er rights.

There are no laws within the US that will prevent your concerns. This e******n cycle is going to be one massive dump of propaganda especially from Russia and the Saudis.

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May 25, 2020 13:00:15   #
Airforceone
 
Patty wrote:
Good research Thanks. Unfortunately this is a problem from both sides. They both have their groups that use what ever they can to manipulate the v**e in their direction. Un fortunately the people have no group left to represent them and we are living in a false democracy now. When the economy can be destroyed to the point where people v**e for who ever will keep the government teat filled then a country has been lost.


Then answer this question as you make the statement it’s both sides that’s a typical right wing comment when they perceive something as being wrong.

But why as you look at the legislation passed in the Democratic lead house over the last 3 years that would prevent foreign interference and foreign funds entering our e******ns process. Why has the Republican lead senate blocked any kind of v**er rights in this country. Then we watch everyday as the Republican lead states try to pass laws to purge the v**er list, v**er suppression. But then I look at statements like both sides do it.

No both sides don’t do it just by researching legislation on this issue it’s only one side and that’s the republicans.

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May 29, 2020 15:35:17   #
Airforceone
 
Artemis wrote:
I have posted here many times of people not just here on OPP but from all over, for people to put their party aside and find some common ground we can agree on.

As I was watching TV the other day a campaign commercial came on, and what caught my ear was that it was that at the end it stated it was funded by the Emergency Committee of Israel…?
Israel? I said to myself, so I decided to look into it, and some information that I found is below.

One of my larger concerns for our country has been outside influences of people of foreign countries effecting our governing process in our e******ns. Since Citizens United, we have lost all control from preventing this from happening.
One common way we all know of is of course within our legal and greased lobbying system, another way is by not only funding the campaigns but through also hand picking the representatives that best suits their self-interests. Winning e******ns with their selected people in place continues to promote their agenda and recycles our already c*********d and corrupt governing process even further. It doesn’t make a difference which side is doing it, and I’m sure they all are.
My question is, what can be done about it?

The Emergency Committee for Israel (ECI) is a neoconservative pressure group launched in July 2010 to promote militarist, "pro-Israel" U.S. policies. A frequent ECI tactic is to publish advertisements that attack politicians who question one-sided U.S - See more at: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/emergency_committee_for_israel#sthash.A4HH9N9w.dpuf

ECI has also operated a political action committee (ECIPAC) to lobby on behalf of its preferred policies. An early financial backer of ECIPAC was Daniel Loeb, and has leveraged his fortune to benefit various political causes. Although he is a registered Democrat, he helped to raise millions of dollars for the 2012 p**********l campaign of Republican Mitt Romney. He is also a key financial supporter of the Emergency Committee for Israel, a controversial neoconservative pressure group that has attacked the Obama administration's Mideast policies and led advocacy efforts aimed at pushing the United States to bomb Iran.
Loeb was apparently motivated to support Romney in the 2012 campaign because of his anger at the Obama administration's efforts to regulate the financial industry. These efforts led Loeb to complain that Obama was interested in "redistribution rather than growth."[3] . According to FEC filings, in 2010, Loeb was the ECIPAC's largest donor, giving $100,000. –

See more at: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/loeb_daniel#sthash.IN9dUK8N.dpuf
I have posted here many times of people not just h... (show quote)


Yes I can agree both sides are doing it. But I want you to think back as to who was against citizens united and who was for citizens united. Congress rejected major corporation from injected massive amounts of cash into our e******ns.
So the republican party Fought it in the courts and the lower courts held up the laws created in congress to limit funds by major corporations and also they had to expose how much they gave and who they were.

So the republicans-appealed it all the way to the Supreme Court and on a 5 to 4 v**e they created citizens united. The 5 v**es came from all conservative judges. Citizens United was born and and all major corporations around the country started to crate what we see now are super Pacs where a corporation can donate millions to these super Pacs and not have to divulge who they are.

So when you say both sides are doing it. No one side gave us citizens united and the only way to campaign is not sit back and allow one side to dump corporate funds into there party both parties have to do it or one party will win the e******n.

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