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May 4, 2014 08:43:41   #
Artemis
 
I have posted here many times of people not just here on OPP but from all over, for people to put their party aside and find some common ground we can agree on.

As I was watching TV the other day a campaign commercial came on, and what caught my ear was that it was that at the end it stated it was funded by the Emergency Committee of Israel…?
Israel? I said to myself, so I decided to look into it, and some information that I found is below.

One of my larger concerns for our country has been outside influences of people of foreign countries effecting our governing process in our elections. Since Citizens United, we have lost all control from preventing this from happening.
One common way we all know of is of course within our legal and greased lobbying system, another way is by not only funding the campaigns but through also hand picking the representatives that best suits their self-interests. Winning elections with their selected people in place continues to promote their agenda and recycles our already compromised and corrupt governing process even further. It doesn’t make a difference which side is doing it, and I’m sure they all are.
My question is, what can be done about it?

The Emergency Committee for Israel (ECI) is a neoconservative pressure group launched in July 2010 to promote militarist, "pro-Israel" U.S. policies. A frequent ECI tactic is to publish advertisements that attack politicians who question one-sided U.S - See more at: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/emergency_committee_for_israel#sthash.A4HH9N9w.dpuf

ECI has also operated a political action committee (ECIPAC) to lobby on behalf of its preferred policies. An early financial backer of ECIPAC was Daniel Loeb, and has leveraged his fortune to benefit various political causes. Although he is a registered Democrat, he helped to raise millions of dollars for the 2012 presidential campaign of Republican Mitt Romney. He is also a key financial supporter of the Emergency Committee for Israel, a controversial neoconservative pressure group that has attacked the Obama administration's Mideast policies and led advocacy efforts aimed at pushing the United States to bomb Iran.
Loeb was apparently motivated to support Romney in the 2012 campaign because of his anger at the Obama administration's efforts to regulate the financial industry. These efforts led Loeb to complain that Obama was interested in "redistribution rather than growth."[3] . According to FEC filings, in 2010, Loeb was the ECIPAC's largest donor, giving $100,000. –

See more at: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/loeb_daniel#sthash.IN9dUK8N.dpuf

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May 4, 2014 09:19:11   #
Patty
 
Good research Thanks. Unfortunately this is a problem from both sides. They both have their groups that use what ever they can to manipulate the vote in their direction. Un fortunately the people have no group left to represent them and we are living in a false democracy now. When the economy can be destroyed to the point where people vote for who ever will keep the government teat filled then a country has been lost.

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May 4, 2014 09:27:13   #
Artemis
 
Patty wrote:
Good research Thanks. Unfortunately this is a problem from both sides. They both have their groups that use what ever they can to manipulate the vote in their direction. Un fortunately the people have no group left to represent them and we are living in a false democracy now. When the economy can be destroyed to the point where people vote for who ever will keep the government teat filled then a country has been lost.



Yes Patty and the only way I see a way out, is for the people to disfranchise themselves from a party and we all are independents. Maybe this will put more weight on each individual vote.This could at least stop them from manipulating the large groups through their party profile.

Maybe we can than focus on what is the true record of the person running.

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May 4, 2014 09:33:25   #
Patty
 
I don't think we will be able to succeed in regaining our country without taking away their biggest tool used against us. The USD (debt) is their ace card against us. We got our investments out of the dollar that was not making anything when compared to inflation and CPI and paid off our debt. We hold very little valued in the dollar and put our stocks in a Private Holding in Canada. We keep very little in the bank and decided to cash in for the collateral that is still available against the dollar. By getting out of the dollar we are up over 400% over the last decade and feel that we are not helping fuel the machine that is trying to destroy this country.
maelstrom wrote:
Yes Patty and the only way I see a way out, is for the people to disfranchise themselves from a party and we all are independents. Maybe this will put more weight on each individual vote.This could at least stop them from manipulating the large groups through their party profile.

Maybe we can than focus on what is the true record of the person running.

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May 4, 2014 09:51:28   #
Mom8052 Loc: Lost in the mountains of New Mexico
 
maelstrom wrote:
Yes Patty and the only way I see a way out, is for the people to disfranchise themselves from a party and we all are independents. Maybe this will put more weight on each individual vote.This could at least stop them from manipulating the large groups through their party profile.

Maybe we can than focus on what is the true record of the person running.


Like that happened in 2006 when Obama was running. Bet if that focus on his true record....he won't be prez today. I'm a Democrat, but vote for whom I feel will do a better job, only problem is, my person didn't win. Well, maybe this next cycle, things will change for the better.

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May 4, 2014 10:19:57   #
Artemis
 
Patty wrote:
I don't think we will be able to succeed in regaining our country without taking away their biggest tool used against us. The USD (debt) is their ace card against us. We got our investments out of the dollar that was not making anything when compared to inflation and CPI and paid off our debt. We hold very little valued in the dollar and put our stocks in a Private Holding in Canada. We keep very little in the bank and decided to cash in for the collateral that is still available against the dollar. By getting out of the dollar we are up over 400% over the last decade and feel that we are not helping fuel the machine that is trying to destroy this country.
I don't think we will be able to succeed in regain... (show quote)



Our focus determines our destiny. If we focus on getting our government back on track, working together, helping small businesses grow, helping start up businesses all who hire local people. Find initiatives to bring back company's to the US, and Hire back Americans
We have little control over what the free enterprises decides to do, but if the free enterprises start to call the shots in our government, we're riding a runaway horse without any reins, and we will be thrown.

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May 4, 2014 10:45:20   #
Patty
 
The red tape and laws (ADA)have made it almost impossible to start a small business. Big business doesn't want the competition. You cant even make goat cheese nad sell it to your neighbor now without the government swooping in SWAT style and confiscating your goats and demolishing your barn.
maelstrom wrote:
Our focus determines our destiny. If we focus on getting our government back on track, working together, helping small businesses grow, helping start up businesses all who hire local people. Find initiatives to bring back company's to the US, and Hire back Americans
We have little control over what the free enterprises decides to do, but if the free enterprises start to call the shots in our government, we're riding a runaway horse without any reins, and we will be thrown.

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May 4, 2014 11:05:45   #
Kevyn
 
maelstrom wrote:
I have posted here many times of people not just here on OPP but from all over, for people to put their party aside and find some common ground we can agree on.

As I was watching TV the other day a campaign commercial came on, and what caught my ear was that it was that at the end it stated it was funded by the Emergency Committee of Israel…?
Israel? I said to myself, so I decided to look into it, and some information that I found is below.

One of my larger concerns for our country has been outside influences of people of foreign countries effecting our governing process in our elections. Since Citizens United, we have lost all control from preventing this from happening.
One common way we all know of is of course within our legal and greased lobbying system, another way is by not only funding the campaigns but through also hand picking the representatives that best suits their self-interests. Winning elections with their selected people in place continues to promote their agenda and recycles our already compromised and corrupt governing process even further. It doesn’t make a difference which side is doing it, and I’m sure they all are.
My question is, what can be done about it?

The Emergency Committee for Israel (ECI) is a neoconservative pressure group launched in July 2010 to promote militarist, "pro-Israel" U.S. policies. A frequent ECI tactic is to publish advertisements that attack politicians who question one-sided U.S - See more at: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/emergency_committee_for_israel#sthash.A4HH9N9w.dpuf

ECI has also operated a political action committee (ECIPAC) to lobby on behalf of its preferred policies. An early financial backer of ECIPAC was Daniel Loeb, and has leveraged his fortune to benefit various political causes. Although he is a registered Democrat, he helped to raise millions of dollars for the 2012 presidential campaign of Republican Mitt Romney. He is also a key financial supporter of the Emergency Committee for Israel, a controversial neoconservative pressure group that has attacked the Obama administration's Mideast policies and led advocacy efforts aimed at pushing the United States to bomb Iran.
Loeb was apparently motivated to support Romney in the 2012 campaign because of his anger at the Obama administration's efforts to regulate the financial industry. These efforts led Loeb to complain that Obama was interested in "redistribution rather than growth."[3] . According to FEC filings, in 2010, Loeb was the ECIPAC's largest donor, giving $100,000. –

See more at: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/loeb_daniel#sthash.IN9dUK8N.dpuf
I have posted here many times of people not just h... (show quote)


On paper it is against the law for foreign nationals to participate in US elections however with the recent 5 to 4 Citizens United decision in the Supreme Court very clearly money is considered speach and corporations be they foreign or US owned are considered people. Like it or not a wealthy investor from China or Vietnam or Factory owner from Israel can have far more impact on US elections than you or I do. They may not get the one vote we do but they are allowed and encouraged to spend millions in campaign contributions to buy candidates and millions more to disseminate propaganda designed to dupe American citizens.

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May 4, 2014 11:07:15   #
Kevyn
 
On paper it is against the law for foreign nationals to participate in US elections however with the recent 5 to 4 Citizens United decision in the Supreme Court very clearly money is considered speach and corporations be they foreign or US owned are considered people. Like it or not a wealthy investor from China or Vietnam or Factory owner from Israel can have far more impact on US elections than you or I do. They may not get the one vote we do but they are allowed and encouraged to spend millions in campaign contributions to buy candidates and millions more to disseminate propaganda designed to dupe American citizens.

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May 4, 2014 11:14:41   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
maelstrom wrote:
I have posted here many times of people not just here on OPP but from all over, for people to put their party aside and find some common ground we can agree on.

As I was watching TV the other day a campaign commercial came on, and what caught my ear was that it was that at the end it stated it was funded by the Emergency Committee of Israel…?
Israel? I said to myself, so I decided to look into it, and some information that I found is below.

One of my larger concerns for our country has been outside influences of people of foreign countries effecting our governing process in our elections. Since Citizens United, we have lost all control from preventing this from happening.
One common way we all know of is of course within our legal and greased lobbying system, another way is by not only funding the campaigns but through also hand picking the representatives that best suits their self-interests. Winning elections with their selected people in place continues to promote their agenda and recycles our already compromised and corrupt governing process even further. It doesn’t make a difference which side is doing it, and I’m sure they all are.
My question is, what can be done about it?

The Emergency Committee for Israel (ECI) is a neoconservative pressure group launched in July 2010 to promote militarist, "pro-Israel" U.S. policies. A frequent ECI tactic is to publish advertisements that attack politicians who question one-sided U.S - See more at: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/emergency_committee_for_israel#sthash.A4HH9N9w.dpuf

ECI has also operated a political action committee (ECIPAC) to lobby on behalf of its preferred policies. An early financial backer of ECIPAC was Daniel Loeb, and has leveraged his fortune to benefit various political causes. Although he is a registered Democrat, he helped to raise millions of dollars for the 2012 presidential campaign of Republican Mitt Romney. He is also a key financial supporter of the Emergency Committee for Israel, a controversial neoconservative pressure group that has attacked the Obama administration's Mideast policies and led advocacy efforts aimed at pushing the United States to bomb Iran.
Loeb was apparently motivated to support Romney in the 2012 campaign because of his anger at the Obama administration's efforts to regulate the financial industry. These efforts led Loeb to complain that Obama was interested in "redistribution rather than growth."[3] . According to FEC filings, in 2010, Loeb was the ECIPAC's largest donor, giving $100,000. –

See more at: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/loeb_daniel#sthash.IN9dUK8N.dpuf
I have posted here many times of people not just h... (show quote)

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Four things SHOULD be done and they go hand in hand.

1. Every American should vote for candidates that will do the right thing for AMERICA, ALL OF ITS CITIZENS, not just for their little slice of America.
2. This would mean NOT voting partyline, but citizenship line.
3. Have a non-partisan group, find out all there is to find out about every candidate, publish all the info in every locale within the US and in the military bases overseas. IOW, educate the voters.
4. Voters have a responsibility to KNOW what they are voting for. The only way to know this is to have a very simple test for each voter before each election. If they fail the simple test, they don't vote.

We have people in Congress now that most of us never get a chance to vote out, but who should DEFINITELY NOT BE SITTING IN CONGRESS........both sides of the aisle. Time citizens get them OUT of Congress. It will never happen if partyline voting is continued.

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May 4, 2014 11:19:30   #
Artemis
 
Kevyn wrote:
On paper it is against the law for foreign nationals to participate in US elections however with the recent 5 to 4 Citizens United decision in the Supreme Court very clearly money is considered speach and corporations be they foreign or US owned are considered people. Like it or not a wealthy investor from China or Vietnam or Factory owner from Israel can have far more impact on US elections than you or I do. They may not get the one vote we do but they are allowed and encouraged to spend millions in campaign contributions to buy candidates and millions more to disseminate propaganda designed to dupe American citizens.
On paper it is against the law for foreign nationa... (show quote)


Yes Kevyn, do people not realize the importance of us over turning Citizens United. I cannot believe that our Supreme Court Justices made this ruling that came about through the suit of the "Koch's". We were sold out, and our complacency will be our demise over this

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May 4, 2014 11:33:02   #
mongo Loc: TEXAS
 
[quote=maelstrom]I have posted here many times of people not just here on OPP but from all over, for people to put their party aside and find some common ground we can agree on.

As I was watching TV the other day a campaign commercial came on, and what caught my ear was that it was that at the end it stated it was funded by the Emergency Committee of Israel…?
Israel? I said to myself, so I decided to look into it, and some information that I found is below.

One of my larger concerns for our country has been outside influences of people of foreign countries effecting our governing process in our elections.


(For the sake of saving room I shortened the post.) This is just one of the examples of intrusion into our countries business from outside political sourses which effects us politically and economically. The one that concerns me the most, China. Our politicians are opening the country to a communist element and happily leading them to complete control without too much fuss. Even though we know about them, we are not informed how deeply entrenched they have become in our economy and directly connected to our politicians, and corporate greed. The country needs to look at candidates that have our countries best interest first and foremost not kowtowing to special interest groups that will benefit on the demise of our way of life.

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May 4, 2014 11:37:22   #
emarine
 
maelstrom wrote:
Yes Kevyn, do people not realize the importance of us over turning Citizens United. I cannot believe that our Supreme Court Justices made this ruling that came about through the suit of the "Koch's". We were sold out, and our complacency will be our demise over this


Excellent post mal :thumbup: We the people have been sold out. We as a UNITED PEOPLE should within our laws march on Washington until this one issue is resolved.

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May 4, 2014 11:44:25   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
[quote=mongo]
maelstrom wrote:
I have posted here many times of people not just here on OPP but from all over, for people to put their party aside and find some common ground we can agree on.

As I was watching TV the other day a campaign commercial came on, and what caught my ear was that it was that at the end it stated it was funded by the Emergency Committee of Israel…?
Israel? I said to myself, so I decided to look into it, and some information that I found is below.

One of my larger concerns for our country has been outside influences of people of foreign countries effecting our governing process in our elections.


(For the sake of saving room I shortened the post.) This is just one of the examples of intrusion into our countries business from outside political sourses which effects us politically and economically. The one that concerns me the most, China. Our politicians are opening the country to a communist element and happily leading them to complete control without too much fuss. Even though we know about them, we are not informed how deeply entrenched they have become in our economy and directly connected to our politicians, and corporate greed. The country needs to look at candidates that have our countries best interest first and foremost not kowtowing to special interest groups that will benefit on the demise of our way of life.
I have posted here many times of people not just h... (show quote)

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And no foreign nation can intrude without our own politicians' complicity. If I can convince anybody that the problem is OUR CRIMINAL AND UNCONSTITUTIONALLY MINDED AND SELF CENTERED POLITICIANS who cause EVERY problem we have in our society, and we MUST stop voting PARTYLINE. We must STOP THE CORRUPTION IN OUR CAPITAL.

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May 5, 2014 22:25:01   #
Airforceone
 
Makes a lot of sense look at Sheltdon Addilson does anybody know that 58% of his money comes from his casinos in China. And he is putting up 125 million $ for the GOP now can somebody tell me that maybe China has no influence

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